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    Re: Belcher on an upswing?

    It's 63+15 cards.
    Apparently he only had 62 cards main but added gaddock teeg at the last minute.

    Edit: my bad, decklist is 78+15
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    Re: Belcher on an upswing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Barook View Post
    Eldrazi utterly dismantled Belcher in the finals
    One Needle was enough in the second match. "Utterly dismantled"

    Miserable final. I was rooting for Belcher but things got low when the Eldrazi guy showed WWail against SSong and then the Belcher dude still went all in with his Wish cracking LED after thinking a bit.
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    Re: Belcher on an upswing?

    Quote Originally Posted by iatee View Post
    'a few people were tired and decided they were too lazy to play their real deck'.

    See the problem with line of thinking is assuming Belcher is a lazy trustfund baby deck. It really isnt. Mulligan decisions, cast sequences, Hell even manamorphose color choice is a huge learning curve. Additionally you take knowing when to "go off" at the appropriate time and sideboarding and disregarding. Knowing that 8 Golbins is horrible combat math seems like an easy decision, but sometimes it is actually the correct call depending on the match up(as an aside any less than 10 is almost always wrong). Knowing when to Diminishing returns or past in flames. The deck is not traditionally hard, but it is not some mindless count to 7(6) and just throw your cards on the table.
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    Re: Belcher on an upswing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lejay View Post
    It's 63+15 cards.
    Apparently he only had 62 cards main but added gaddock teeg at the last minute.
    But it still displays 78 MD + 15 SB cards? What's the correct list, then?

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    But it still displays 78 MD + 15 SB cards? What's the correct list, then?
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    Re: Belcher on an upswing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Beatusnox View Post
    See the problem with line of thinking is assuming Belcher is a lazy trustfund baby deck. It really isnt. Mulligan decisions, cast sequences, Hell even manamorphose color choice is a huge learning curve. Additionally you take knowing when to "go off" at the appropriate time and sideboarding and disregarding. Knowing that 8 Golbins is horrible combat math seems like an easy decision, but sometimes it is actually the correct call depending on the match up(as an aside any less than 10 is almost always wrong). Knowing when to Diminishing returns or past in flames. The deck is not traditionally hard, but it is not some mindless count to 7(6) and just throw your cards on the table.
    Pretty sure people with trustfunds aren't playing Belcher. Anyway, playing Belcher optimally does require having reps with the deck, but it still essentially comes down to making one decision a game and most of the time the decision will be independent of what your opponent is doing. Not having to play with an opponent makes Magic easier.

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    Re: Belcher on an upswing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Barook View Post
    Edit: It's also questionable how the Elves player with 78 (!!!) MD cards made top 8.
    How? By not losing a single match until getting crushed by Florian Stange with Belcher in quarterfinals.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lejay View Post
    It's 63+15 cards.
    Apparently he only had 62 cards main but added gaddock teeg at the last minute.
    Deck was 77 MD but added gaddock teeg at the last minute ;)

    Quote Originally Posted by Barook View Post
    But it still displays 78 MD + 15 SB cards? What's the correct list, then?
    Really the one they put. I will not defend it, I do not think it is a sound and good list, making perfect competitive sense.
    It was a fun but untested list, which performed pretty well. Got lucky there.

    Quote Originally Posted by Beatusnox View Post
    Mulligan decisions, cast sequences, Hell even manamorphose color choice is a huge learning curve. Additionally you take knowing when to "go off" at the appropriate time and sideboarding and disregarding.
    Quote Originally Posted by iatee View Post
    Pretty sure people with trustfunds aren't playing Belcher.
    I understood Florian (the belcher player) was playing belcher for the first time, but was having other decks. And that he was an otherwise a perfectly accomplished legacy player (he was also in the same team as Julian and Anton, the tournament winner with Eldrazi).
    I think he took it not for budget issues nor skill questions, but because it was the right metagame decision. The one decision that matter the most prior entering any given tournament.

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    Re: Belcher on an upswing?



    Florian could have borrowed any Legacy deck from our group but he went with Belcher after I suggested it. His original plan was to go with Burn.

    Don't take the finals too seriously. Enton and Florian had already splitted and we were all incredibly excited to have two team mates in the finals. Enton kept a 5 card hand without a land and fortunately drew one while Florian followed the third of the 3 golden rules of Belcher and just kept 5, no matter what cards they were; he didn't get there, which was no surprise. Game2 he just drew additional Belcher after Enton Needle'd it. The Chalice on 0 and 1 actually didn't do anything as his hand was all Land Grants, Desperate Rituals and Spirit Guides. He was just continously 1 mana short and kept drawing Land Grants. But anyways, it already was an insane weekend :-)
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