It is better to ask and look stupid then keep your mouth shut and remain so.
Originally Posted by Spam
I hope your afterlife is filled with eternal torment.
Fuck. Which one of my quotes do I drop for this?
Spells printed 'recently' that have been banned-
Dig Through Time
Treasure Cruise
Mental Misstep
Creatures printed 'recently' that have been banned-
......
Your move Yugi :^)
TKS needs a restriction in Vintage.
The purpose of any moat is to impede attack. Some are filled with water, some with thistles. Some are filled with things best left unseen.
So, apparently, adding Opposition to Elves! is a good thing, as Pierre Canali just went 7-1 at BoM Strasbourg.
That deck is pure gasoline honestly
The new spells Wizards has printed have warped Legacy, while the new creatures have been pretty meh. Vryn Wingmare? Spirit of the Labyrinth?
I'm pretty sure it's the other way around...
You spelled 'Gush' wrong.
Eldrazi Stompy?
It has meta presence, but format warping? How so?
You forgot the most important one.
It's close. You definitely take into account this deck when side boarding and chalice being prevalent is huge
I was only posting non creatures. DRS, regardless of planswalker jokes, is still a creature.
As for Eldrazi. Format warping maybe, but not massively. The decks that are still pushing DTB have not changed. Eldrazi is slipping slightly in its win percentages but it's meta penetration is still high. It's effectiveness has started to fall away and while people might build a sideboard with it in mind, that's just what you do when a force appears you have to answer.
The format warping deck is still Miracles. All my data suggests that it's Miracles you must worry about the most. Even now after everyone claimed Eldrazi would end the format as we know it. Turns out that's not the case.
It is better to ask and look stupid then keep your mouth shut and remain so.
I hope your afterlife is filled with eternal torment.
Fuck. Which one of my quotes do I drop for this?
But chalice isn't a creature
This. I can't remember a single meet where Miracles was represented and didn't figure in the top4. It's just so consistent against so many opponents.
The thing I take out of the changes in MTG, with their new prints over the last 5 years;
Hate is getting stronger.
Whether they're permanents or not, the cards that hate on combo's, graveyards, tokens etc. are becoming more varied and in some instances, terminal to a particular strategy.
Going All-In, or Over-Reaching has always been something we have to be wary of in Legacy, but now that we have cards like Terminus, Flusterstorm, Grafdigger's Cage etc., all at a miserly cost of 1cmc, I feel the penalty for over-reaching has never been more severe.
From year to year, this discussion comes back like a boomerang. Legacy is the healthiest of all Magic formats.
Look at this summary (based on mtgtop8.com):
2016 (Aggro 39% Control 35% Combo 26%) - so far, it's July!
2015 (Aggro 29% Control 39% Combo 32%)
2014 (Aggro 34% Control 37% Combo 29%)
2013 (Aggro 38% Control 32% Combo 30%)
2012 (Aggro 40% Control 30% Combo 30%)
2011 (Aggro 42% Control 31% Combo 27%)
I would personally argue that no format is the "healthiest" and that Legacy just happens to suit what you like to do in Magic if you see it that way. Someone who enjoys Midrange would likely make the argument that Modern is the "healthiest". Both I guess have their points from their points of view.
As for your numbers. In 2011 the top aggro decks actually where aggro. Goblins, Fish, Maverick, Zoo and Thresh where your Aggro decks. Each of these actual aggro decks (well, Thresh was always tempo). Today the "Aggro" category is filled with "Tempo" decks and Aggro is no longer an actual deck type in Legacy. (Eldrazi is kind of back in that wheelhouse)
Control was an open field, Landstil, Thopters and Dutch Stax. The format was not all based around one core when it came to that category
Combo though... Cephalid Breakfast and High Tide. Come back I miss you both.
Your numbers on the breakdown look nice, but they are not telling the story of what has happened over those years. The 2011 format looks far more interesting to me than the 2016 one does. Goblin tinted glasses maybe, but hey, I will wear that bias on my sleeve.
It is better to ask and look stupid then keep your mouth shut and remain so.
I hope your afterlife is filled with eternal torment.
Fuck. Which one of my quotes do I drop for this?
I think your understanding of the term "healthy" is quite different from that to which we are used to. A healthy format is a format that allows a wide variety of cards/decks/archetypes to be viable. The healthy meta would allow for a loose "rock/paper/scissors" meta of Control, Aggro, and Combo. Finally, healthy legacy should allow multiple decks in these archetypes.
Legacy is large enough that Aggro, Control, Combo hybridizes into Aggro, Tempo, Midrange, Prison, etc. deck archetypes. I would call it an evolution.
I would call it a whole sale distrustion of Aggro as a force in Legacy. Tempo does not equal Aggro. Aggro in Legacy is dead.
Call it how you want to, I do not look at the 2011 format and think "Look how healthy Legacy is in 2016". I look at it and mourn.
It is better to ask and look stupid then keep your mouth shut and remain so.
I hope your afterlife is filled with eternal torment.
Fuck. Which one of my quotes do I drop for this?
Legacy's been more Miracles >= (Tempo >= Combo > Midrange > Tempo) for quite a while.The healthy meta would allow for a loose "rock/paper/scissors" meta of Control, Aggro, and Combo. Finally, healthy legacy should allow multiple decks in these archetypes.
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