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    Re: Eternal Extravaganza 5 - 20k Legacy Event - October 16 - Baltimore, MD

    any results posted for this?
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    Re: Eternal Extravaganza 5 - 20k Legacy Event - October 16 - Baltimore, MD

    Quote Originally Posted by mistercakes View Post
    any results posted for this?
    Sam Roukas won it with Miracles (2 Entreat, 2 Predict, Mentors in the SB).

    Grixis Delver came second, I think there was another two or three Miracles decks in the top eight and an Infect, but can't remember exactly.

    They said decklists will be posted in the week I think. The videos should be on their Twitch VOD, the finals especially are great! Two skilled players with arguably the two best decks in the format.
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    The power of blue is overrated...I personally play Jund and I consistently top 4 FNMs with it.

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    Re: Eternal Extravaganza 5 - 20k Legacy Event - October 16 - Baltimore, MD

    #EE5mtg RESULTS:

    Standard: http://sales.starcitygames.com/deckd...p?event_ID=7&t[T1]=1&start_date=2016-10-15&end_date=2016-10-15&state=MD&city=Baltimore&order_1=finish&limit=8&t_num=1&action=Show+Decks

    Vintage: http://www.themanadrain.com/topic/70...etagame-report

    ETERNAL EXTRAVAGANZA 5 #EE5mtg LEGACY TOP 8 DECKLISTS:

    Sam Roukas - 1st - Jeskai Miracles

    4 Swords to Plowshares
    4 Brainstorm
    4 Ponder
    4 Force of Will
    4 Counterbalance
    4 Sensei's Divining Top
    4 Terminus
    3 Snapcaster Mage
    2 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
    2 Predict
    2 Entreat the Angels
    1 Counterspell
    1 Coucil's Judgment
    1 Engineered Explosives
    4 Flooded Strand
    4 Scalding Tarn
    4 Island
    3 Tundra
    2 Volcanic Island
    2 Plains
    1 Arid Mesa

    Sideboard:
    2 Surgical Extraction
    2 Pyroblast
    2 Wear//Tear
    2 Flusterstorm
    2 Vendilion Clique
    2 Monastery Mentor
    1 Red Elemental Blast
    1 Mountain
    1 From the Ashes

    Justin Parnell - 2nd - Grixis Delver

    4 Daze
    4 Ponder
    4 Gitaxian Probe
    4 Lightning Bolt
    4 Brainstorm
    4 Force of Will
    4 Delver of Secrets
    4 Deathrite Shaman
    3 Young Pyromancer
    2 Cabal Therapy
    2 Gurmag Angler
    1 Forked Bolt
    1 Spell Pierce
    1 Dismember
    4 Polluted Delta
    4 Scalding Tarn
    4 Wasteland
    3 Volcanic Island
    2 Underground Sea
    1 Tropical Island

    Sideboard:
    2 Baleful Strix
    2 Abrupt Decay
    1 Ceremonious Rejection
    1 Cabal Therapy
    1 Sudden Demise
    1 Sylvan Library
    1 Winter Orb
    1 Pyroblast
    1 Pithing Needle
    1 Island
    1 Engineered Explosives
    1 Hydroblast
    1 Ancient Grudge

    Matt Brown - 3rd - Infect

    4 Noble Hierarch
    4 Blighted Agent
    4 Glistener Elf
    4 Brainstorm
    4 Daze
    4 Invigorate
    3 Gitaxian Probe
    3 Vines of Vastwood
    3 Force of Will
    2 Spell Pierce
    2 Berserk
    1 Become Immense
    1 Ponder
    1 Crop Rotation
    1 Sylvan Library
    4 Inkmoth Nexus
    4 Windswept Heath
    4 Misty Rainforest
    4 Tropical Island
    1 Forest

    Sideboard:
    2 Submerge
    2 Flusterstorm
    1 Bojuka Bog
    1 Karakas
    1 Grafdigger's Cage
    1 Seal of Primordium
    1 Viridian Corruptor
    1 Krosan Grip
    1 Surgical Extraction
    1 Dismember
    1 Force of Will
    1 Blue Elemental Blast
    1 Meekstone

    Peter Villarubia - 4th - Jeskai Miracles

    4 Brainstorm
    4 Ponder
    4 Swords to Plowshares
    4 Terminus
    4 Sensei's Divining Top
    4 Counterbalance
    4 Force of Will
    3 Snapcaster Mage
    2 Counterspell
    2 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
    2 Monastery Mentor
    1 Entreat the Angels
    1 Council's Judgment
    4 Flooded Strand
    4 Scalding Tarn
    4 Island
    3 Tundra
    3 Volcanic Island
    2 Plains
    1 Arid Mesa

    Sideboard:
    3 Vendilion Clique
    3 Pyroblast
    2 Flusterstorm
    2 Surgical Extraction
    2 Wear//Tear
    1 Red Elemental Blast
    1 Kozilek's Return
    1 Engineered Explosives

    Nicholas Santini - 5th - Reanimator

    4 Lotus Petal
    4 Careful Study
    4 Reanimate
    4 Force of Will
    4 Exhume
    4 Brainstorm
    4 Entomb
    3 Griselbrand
    3 Daze
    3 Ponder
    2 Hapless Researcher
    1 Tidespout Tyrant
    1 Sire of Insanity
    1 Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite
    1 Iona, Shield of Emeria
    1 Show and Tell
    4 Polluted Delta
    4 Bloodstained Mire
    3 Misty Rainforest
    2 Underground Sea
    2 Swamp
    1 Bayou
    1 Island

    Sideboard:
    3 Abrupt Decay
    3 Show and Tell
    3 Thoughtseize
    2 Pithing Needle
    2 Massacre
    1 Grave Titan
    1 Collective Brutality

    Louis Fata - 6th - Death & Taxes

    4 Mother of Runes
    4 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
    4 Stoneforge Mystic
    4 Flickerwisp
    4 Aether Vial
    4 Swords to Plowshares
    3 Thalia, Heretic Cathar
    3 Phyrexian Revoker
    2 Serra Avenger
    1 Sanctum Prelate
    1 Recruiter of the Guard
    1 Batterskull
    1 Umezawa's Jitte
    1 Sword of Fire and Ice
    11 Plains
    4 Wasteland
    4 Rishadan Port
    3 Karakas
    1 Cavern of Souls

    Sideboard:
    3 Rest in Peace
    2 Gideon, Ally of Zendikar
    2 Ethersworn Canonist
    2 Containment Priest
    2 Path to Exile
    1 Pithing Needle
    1 Council's Judgment
    1 Mirran Crusader
    1 Sanctum Prelate

    Mark Strassman - 7th - Punishing Maverick

    4 Mother of Runes
    4 Knight of the Reliquary
    4 Green Sun's Zenith
    4 Swords to Plowshares
    3 Deathrite Shaman
    3 Punishing Fire
    3 Stoneforge Mystic
    2 Qasali Pridemage
    1 Gaddock Teeg
    1 Scavenging Ooze
    1 Noble Hierarch
    1 Birds of Paradise
    1 Umezawa's Jitte
    1 Batterskull
    1 Sword of Fire and Ice
    1 Dryad Arbor
    4 Windswept Heath
    3 Grove of the Burnwillows
    3 Wasteland
    3 Wooded Foothills
    2 Savannah
    2 Taiga
    1 Forest
    1 Plateau
    1 Bayou
    1 Horizon Canopy
    1 Karakas
    1 Thespian's Stage
    1 Dark Depths
    1 Maze of Ith

    Sideboard:
    3 Ethersworn Canonist
    2 Pyroblast
    2 Choke
    1 Reclamation Sage
    1 Bojuka Bog
    1 Pithing Needle
    1 Gaddock Teeg
    1 Elspeth, Knight-Errant
    1 Garruk Relentless//Garruk, the Veil-Cursed
    1 Zealous Persecution
    1 Worship

    Scott Waldron - 8th - Mentor Miracles

    4 Monastery Mentor
    4 Swords to Plowshares
    4 Terminus
    4 Brainstorm
    4 Counterbalance
    4 Force of Will
    4 Ponder
    4 Sensei's Divining Top
    3 Snapcaster Mage
    2 Predict
    2 Engineered Explosives
    1 Counterspell
    4 Flooded Strand
    4 Scalding Tarn
    4 Island
    3 Tundra
    2 Volcanic Island
    2 Plains
    1 Arid Mesa

    Sideboard:
    3 Wear//Tear
    3 Flusterstorm
    2 Pyroblast
    2 Containment Priest
    2 Surgical Extraction
    1 Blood Moon
    1 Mountain
    1 Red Elemental Blast

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    Re: Eternal Extravaganza 5 - 20k Legacy Event - October 16 - Baltimore, MD

    Thanks for posting.

    What is the consensus on players that move cards around in their deck (to declump) while searching for lands? Wondering how serious this should be taken.

    Thanks
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    Re: Eternal Extravaganza 5 - 20k Legacy Event - October 16 - Baltimore, MD

    Hmm, I believe there's an issue with the above decklists. Sam's deck was officially named 'Angel Stompy', not 'Jeskai Miracles' - this was something that was mentioned by Kevin Jones in the stream. This was a monumental win for the Angel Stompy archetype and I think it should be recognized as such.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mistercakes View Post
    Thanks for posting.

    What is the consensus on players that move cards around in their deck (to declump) while searching for lands? Wondering how serious this should be taken.

    Thanks
    Interesting question. Personally I'm always really tempted when I see 3-of-a-kind behind each other or just a big chunk of 5+ lands, but I'm aware that it's not something you should do.

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    What is the consensus on players that move cards around in their deck (to declump) while searching for lands? Wondering how serious this should be taken.
    In theory "declumping" does nothing if you sufficiently shuffle afterwards so it does seem pointless, but in reality through the course of a long tournament sleeves can cause cards to stick to each other. As long as the deck is randomized afterwards I don't see any issue with it.

    Quote Originally Posted by iatee View Post
    Hmm, I believe there's an issue with the above decklists. Sam's deck was officially named 'Angel Stompy', not 'Jeskai Miracles' - this was something that was mentioned by Kevin Jones in the stream. This was a monumental win for the Angel Stompy archetype and I think it should be recognized as such.
    Stream is here:

    https://www.twitch.tv/talesofadventure/v/95381760

    Pretty clear Sam is not playing Angel Stompy, perhaps that's what he refers to the deck tongue in cheek.

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    Re: Eternal Extravaganza 5 - 20k Legacy Event - October 16 - Baltimore, MD

    I kinda just feel like if Sam self-identifies as an Angel Stompy player and not a Miracles player he should be referred to as one, if only out of courtesy. If we start renaming peoples' decks for them, it's really going to make things confusing.

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    Re: Eternal Extravaganza 5 - 20k Legacy Event - October 16 - Baltimore, MD

    A local player always names his TES list 'Goblins'.
    I think keeping the name provided by the pilot is an admirable goal, but when the pilot is trolling I think you can revert to the community-accepted name.

    Also, it sounds like you are being a Cissy.

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    Re: Eternal Extravaganza 5 - 20k Legacy Event - October 16 - Baltimore, MD

    Quote Originally Posted by Agrippa91 View Post
    Interesting question. Personally I'm always really tempted when I see 3-of-a-kind behind each other or just a big chunk of 5+ lands, but I'm aware that it's not something you should do.
    I had no idea this was a thing. I've always "declumped", and always followed up with multiple riffle shuffles. Never had anyone call me out. In my head, I think I'm doing the right thing by declumping and then riffle shuffling perhaps 4 or 5 times. If I didn't declump, I would spend twice as long riffle shuffling, perhaps 10 times.

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    Re: Eternal Extravaganza 5 - 20k Legacy Event - October 16 - Baltimore, MD

    Quote Originally Posted by Agrippa91 View Post
    Interesting question. Personally I'm always really tempted when I see 3-of-a-kind behind each other or just a big chunk of 5+ lands, but I'm aware that it's not something you should do.
    Section 3.4 which states that declumping is OK.

    http://wpn.wizards.com/sites/wpn/fil...30sep16_en.pdf

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    Re: Eternal Extravaganza 5 - 20k Legacy Event - October 16 - Baltimore, MD

    Quote Originally Posted by Hmmm_Really? View Post
    Section 3.4 which states that declumping is OK.

    http://wpn.wizards.com/sites/wpn/fil...30sep16_en.pdf
    Ah good, thx for the link. It just feels kinda weird because a method of cheating where you "shuffle" a card to the top looks rather similar to the opponent.

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    Re: Eternal Extravaganza 5 - 20k Legacy Event - October 16 - Baltimore, MD

    A deck is not shuffled if the judge believes a player could know the position or distribution of one or more cards in his or her deck. isn't the 2nd half of this directly related to "declumping"? i guess i can see an argument to know that they are stacked together. it's like when players side in 3 or 4 of a sb card and place them evenly throughout their deck.

    i think the distribution with declumping just goes from an unfavorable distribution to a favorable distribution. that's where i have my issue....the player is not declumping irrelevant cards, just the relevant ones.

    anyway, i don't want to start any kind of trouble here, thanks for the pdf. i think this is certainly useful if you're in a tournament and want to present an argument in either way.
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    Re: Eternal Extravaganza 5 - 20k Legacy Event - October 16 - Baltimore, MD

    "i don't want to start any kind of trouble here"

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    Quote Originally Posted by iatee View Post
    Hmm, I believe there's an issue with the above decklists. Sam's deck was officially named 'Angel Stompy', not 'Jeskai Miracles' - this was something that was mentioned by Kevin Jones in the stream. This was a monumental win for the Angel Stompy archetype and I think it should be recognized as such.
    Angel Stompy? lol....this is Jeskai Miracles. Why on earth would you call this Angel Stompy? because it has 2 entreat the angles? ETA is very common in miracles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iatee View Post
    I kinda just feel like if Sam self-identifies as an Angel Stompy player and not a Miracles player he should be referred to as one, if only out of courtesy. If we start renaming peoples' decks for them, it's really going to make things confusing.
    its a totally stock miracles deck! you don't/can't rename a deck you grabbed offline and call it yours or rename it something yours

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    Re: Eternal Extravaganza 5 - 20k Legacy Event - October 16 - Baltimore, MD

    I think the key thing is that Miracles decks win with Mentor now, whereas Sam was clearly trying to build a deck that had a strong prison strategy + angel beatdown. That seems more like Angel Stompy to me than Miracles, so the name makes sense.

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    Re: Eternal Extravaganza 5 - 20k Legacy Event - October 16 - Baltimore, MD

    Quote Originally Posted by iatee View Post
    I think the key thing is that Miracles decks win with Mentor now, whereas Sam was clearly trying to build a deck that had a strong prison strategy + angel beatdown. That seems more like Angel Stompy to me than Miracles, so the name makes sense.
    name makes no sense, go back 6-12 months in miracles deck lists and this is what people were running

    He didn't invent anything here....mainboard EE, ETA, predicts, snaps was more than common in miracles before mentor hopped in. He doesn't get to name it Angel stompy. Ridiculous!

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    Re: Eternal Extravaganza 5 - 20k Legacy Event - October 16 - Baltimore, MD

    There are some MAJOR differences between Sam's list and 'Miracles' decks, both in card choice and in play style - if you watch his games, Sam plays the deck as a Stompy deck, not as a control deck.

    Ultimately I think it makes sense to name a deck based on its win condition and this deck's win condition involves stomping down with angels, so the name makes sense. Anything else would just make things super confusing for everyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iatee View Post
    There are some MAJOR differences between Sam's list and 'Miracles' decks, both in card choice and in play style - if you watch his games, Sam plays the deck as a Stompy deck, not as a control deck.

    Ultimately I think it makes sense to name a deck based on its win condition and this deck's win condition involves stomping down with angels, so the name makes sense. Anything else would just make things super confusing for everyone.
    Here's the source thread for angel stompy:

    http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/s...k-Angel-Stompy

    There's really no argument here. The two decks are nothing alike.

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