Kaladesh -or- When Kiran met Pia

[MaximumC]

Saheeli Rai looks Tibalt-bad. What's with the hype? The + ability is too slow to hope for ult. Lightning bolt = triple time walk.

Whoa whoa whoa whoa

Saheeli is "not great." Tibalt is "demonstrably terrible." There's a pretty big gulf there.

[HdH_Cthulhu]

Yah dude! Shes a 3 mana clone with upside. Ok thats probably bad in legacy but pretty good in other formats.

[joven]

I guess Saheeli wants a very specific artifact combo deck. In a vacuum she does nothing besides Scry 1 and Ping, which isn't bad, but is just not competitive level.

[Lemnear]

Yah dude! Shes a 3 mana clone with upside. Ok thats probably bad in legacy but pretty good in other formats.

Whoa, bro! Creating/copying artifacts/creatures can be ridiculous powerful. You just need to pair her with Dack, Goblin Welder and Strategic Planning to get a powerful shell.

[bruizar]

Whoa, bro! Creating/copying artifacts/creatures can be ridiculous powerful. You just need to pair her with Dack, Goblin Welder and Strategic Planning to get a powerful shell.

Whatever happened to Strategic Planning anyway?

[Mr.C]

Whatever happened to Strategic Planning anyway?

It's now a 25c card.

[Lemnear]

Whatever happened to Strategic Planning anyway?

Got reprinted and the price bubble of 100+$ popped

[Poron]

Yah dude! Shes a 3 mana clone with upside. Ok thats probably bad in legacy but pretty good in other formats.

Clone? the token dies at the end of the turn and you can only copy your permanents...

BTW: let's start the discussion what are the three best artifacts to fetch with her ultimate?

I'd say
Blightsteel Colossus
Lightning Greaves
Proweler's Helm

Your just need (2) and 11 Poison counters will seal the deal

[MaximumC]

Clone? the token dies at the end of the turn and you can only copy your permanents...

BTW: let's start the discussion what are the three best artifacts to fetch with her ultimate?

I'd say
Blightsteel Colossus
Lightning Greaves
Proweler's Helm

Your just need (2) and 11 Poison counters will seal the deal

Time vault, voltaic key, sol ring
Metal worker, staff of domination, memory jar
Grindstone, painters servant, grim monolith

Etc etc

[apple713]

Dubious Challenge



Can someone explain this? Something doesn't seem right.

Look at the top 10 cards of your library and exile up to 2 creature cards.

Opponent gets 1 of the exiled cards

Your get the rest of the exiled cards...which is going to be 1 or 0. and the one you get is always going to be worse since opponent gets first pick...

OR

Your opponent gets 1 of the exiled creatures and you get the rest of the creatures in the top 10?

[ahg113]

Dubious Challenge



Can someone explain this? Something doesn't seem right.

Look at the top 10 cards of your library and exile up to 2 creature cards.

Opponent gets 1 of the exiled cards

Your get the rest of the exiled cards...which is going to be 1 or 0. and the one you get is always going to be worse since opponent gets first pick...

OR

Your opponent gets 1 of the exiled creatures and you get the rest of the creatures in the top 10?

Cast, look at the top 10 cards of your library. Of those 10 cards, find up to two creatures and exile them. Shuffle your deck (the other 8 cards are in there "somewhere"). Your opponent has first pick to take one of the exiled creatures, but they don't have to. You get the remaining creature of the two.

[Barook]

Unless you have some kind of Flicker effect/creature ready to bring your own creature back, it's really bad.

I guess Homeward Path also works.

[Aggro_zombies]

Unless you have some kind of Flicker effect/creature ready to bring your own creature back, it's really bad.

It is at least aptly named.

But in all seriousness, it seems like an apology for Collected Company, a card that's been a serious contender for best card in Standard for almost its whole lifetime.

[apple713]

Cast, look at the top 10 cards of your library. Of those 10 cards, find up to two creatures and exile them. Shuffle your deck (the other 8 cards are in there "somewhere"). Your opponent has first pick to take one of the exiled creatures, but they don't have to. You get the remaining creature of the two.

ok i guess i did know how it was played but was just in shock at how incredibly terrible it is.

[HdH_Cthulhu]

Just reveal 2 phage -.-

Nah im sure there are some cool things to pull off with this, nothing competitive but yah why not...

Creatures with phasing etc. Well its just a sorcery so nah forget it its terrible!

Thats exactly one of this cards I gonna have in my seeded pack @ the pre release!

[apple713]

Just reveal 2 phage -.-

Nah im sure there are some cool things to pull off with this, nothing competitive but yah why not...

Creatures with phasing etc. Well its just a sorcery so nah forget it its terrible!

Thats exactly one of this cards I gonna have in my seeded pack @ the pre release!

like you can't even have 2 phage because the opponent "may" put one into play. I really wanna know who at wizards thought it would be a good idea to print this card. Are they just running out of ideas over there? Maybe ~20 years is about the time when good ideas run out?

[Cire]

I mean - it's been mentioned, but it seems like an alright combo with Homeward Path - that would have been decent in modern, but too bad it's not legal there. In legacy its . . . basically another 5 mana "win the turn after" combo that requires around 12 chaff cards. . . . Maybe a list with 12 big guys and S&T? (yeah i know it's garbage)

Edit: in Modern - maybe combine it with Gruul Charm or Tel-Jilad Stylus ?

[Aggro_zombies]

The problem with this plan is that Collected Company is legal and a generally better card.

If your goal is to put Emrakuls or something into play with it, then SnT is a superior alternative in Legacy and Summoning Trap seems like a superior alternative in Modern.

[Ace/Homebrew]

How many creatures would this have to reveal to break the symmetry? In decks like Goblins in Legacy, or Allies in Modern, more than half the deck can be creatures... And usually all of them are pretty harmless by themselves but present a bigger problem in large numbers.

So how many would it have to be? Six? Opponent gets 1 and you get 5?
Would it be worth it if it revealed 5 creatures?


Edit
What if one of the revealed creatures is Stingscourger? Then your opponent has to take the Scourger and pay echo so you 'draw' a creature instead, or the creature they do choose gets bounced back to your hand.

[HdH_Cthulhu]

How many creatures would this have to reveal to break the symmetry? In decks like Goblins in Legacy, or Allies in Modern, more than half the deck can be creatures... And usually all of them are pretty harmless by themselves but present a bigger problem in large numbers.

So how many would it have to be? Six? Opponent gets 1 and you get 5?
Would it be worth it if it revealed 5 creatures?


Edit
What if one of the revealed creatures is Stingscourger? Then your opponent has to take the Scourger and pay echo so you 'draw' a creature instead, or the creature they do choose gets bounced back to your hand.

Well nice hypothetical thinking... At that point it kinda wouldn't matter how much. 10 or 5 you can just play that many creatures.

Another question what would be the best to grab?Brooding Saurian ? This + homeward path might be enogh to reliably get your stuff back?