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    Tournament rule changes

    http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles...tes-2016-09-26

    Mostly minor stuff, except pile shuffling isn't really considered randomizing anymore. And the Conspiracy/Ante banlist bullshit has been kept in check.

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    Only 1 pile shuffle allowed per randomization. I like it.
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    I don't think this enough, really. Should be once per match, prior to the 1st game for counting. Beyond that, don't justify it around sufficient randomization, justify it around time constraints.
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    Quote Originally Posted by .dk View Post
    I don't think this enough, really. Should be once per match, prior to the 1st game for counting. Beyond that, don't justify it around sufficient randomization, justify it around time constraints.
    I do it twice, 7 piles, placing on a random pile each time. The reason is, my shuffling skills are poor and I always seem to get stuck with land clumps. If I was at a large event, I would just pass my deck to a judge over trying my luck.

    Just to note. I have issues shuffling due to extensive damage in my left hand. Most of it was rebuilt as a kid and I have near on no sensation in it. I am also left handed. These things together mean as much as I try, I can not solve the issues I have with shuffling, because I need to be looking at whatever I am doing with my left hand or I will drop the item in question. A judge becomes my only reasonable out.
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    Was pile shuffling really a huge factor in 'rated' tournaments from a time-wasting standpoint?

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    Sometimes. Mostly, it was a cheating thing, since a crappy mash or well-done riffle meant your deck was only semi-random.

    It's more a quality of life thing at the level most people play at. I'm sure everyone here has played against the dude who obsessively pile shuffles before every game and then does one mash and presents his deck like he didn't just waste five minutes of your life.

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    Re: Tournament rule changes

    ...a player may only pile shuffle once each time a deck is randomized.
    So after every fetch I can pile?

    I generally pile at the start of each game, exactly to count the number of cards without having to keep the numbers in my head. So I get that, but also piling it in the middle of a game seems excessive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PirateKing View Post
    So after every fetch I can pile?...
    You could go with the 1-minute 'wash' shuffle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dice_Box View Post
    I do it twice, 7 piles, placing on a random pile each time. The reason is, my shuffling skills are poor and I always seem to get stuck with land clumps. If I was at a large event, I would just pass my deck to a judge over trying my luck.
    Isn't clumping one of the hallmarks of true randomization? Even if you are not consciously trying to follow any kind of pattern when choosing the next pile, it's going to be hard to actually do it randomly. You'd end up with piles of drastically different sizes lots of the time, and even then it would be hard to convince a skeptical opponent that you're not placing the next card deliberately.

    I can't really riffle shuffle either. No good excuse or anything, I just suck at it and haven't tried to learn. Best I can do is the side/mash shuffle and even then I have to look at what I'm doing. Hasn't really been a problem though, as I try to keep everything face-down. Or it could just be that I lose often enough that nobody actually cares.
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    Re: Tournament rule changes

    I don't like creases in my money, so I don't riffle.

    Found this site trying to find the term for what is called an 'overhand' shuffle...
    http://www.wikihow.com/Shuffle-a-Deck-of-Playing-Cards
    I was expecting the videos to actually show the entire shuffle, not repeat steps in a loop. I sat there like when the first video kept showing a hand holding a pack of cards from different angles...

    Anyways, I alternate mashing with overhand shuffling.
    I only pile to calm my nerves or make myself feel better after drawing too many/few lands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Cheese View Post
    Isn't clumping one of the hallmarks of true randomization? Even if you are not consciously trying to follow any kind of pattern when choosing the next pile, it's going to be hard to actually do it randomly. You'd end up with piles of drastically different sizes lots of the time, and even then it would be hard to convince a skeptical opponent that you're not placing the next card deliberately.
    Yes, it can be. But after a game where you have separated all your Lands and spells just be the nature of playing, you end up with two clumps. I have issues separating them by shuffling alone.
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    I tend to just hand shuffle. I'll tell my opponent to cut my deck, poker style, if they ever suspect shenanigan's are afoot.
    And yeah, I've asked the cut an opponents' deck when I suspect them of being funny too.

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    I pile at the beginning of a match usually. Sometimes in between games, but I play at a quick pace so I've never had an issue when shuffling
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barook View Post
    http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles...tes-2016-09-26

    Mostly minor stuff, except pile shuffling isn't really considered randomizing anymore. And the Conspiracy/Ante banlist bullshit has been kept in check.
    Pleased to see that.

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    Nice to finally see Conspiracy cards gone from the banlist. Ante cards too, for that matter.

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    I tend to just hand shuffle. I'll tell my opponent to cut my deck, poker style, if they ever suspect shenanigan's are afoot.
    And yeah, I've asked the cut an opponents' deck when I suspect them of being funny too.
    You are doing it wrong, IMHO. A decision to shuffle or cut an opponent's deck should never be based on a suspicion.

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    Certainly a step in the correct direction. Lossett's crusade has worked!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dice_Box View Post
    Yes, it can be. But after a game where you have separated all your Lands and spells just be the nature of playing, you end up with two clumps. I have issues separating them by shuffling alone.
    I mean, you've heard this all before, but here it is again:

    If you find that pile shuffling creates a different distribution of lands in your deck from true randomization (riffle shuffling, etc) then that is a Bad Thing. (I won't use the "c" word here because I don't want to inflame anyone's passions). If you pile shuffle because you think it avoids land clumps, you are doing a Bad Thing.

    I think what you're trying to say is that you never learned to properly riffle shuffle, but that's ok, you can use other kinds of shuffles, too. Or you can let your opponent (a.k.a Ol' Cheeto-Fingers) do it. (You are double-sleevin, right?) There's really no excuse for the ol' Pile Shuffle except to help count the cards to make sure you didn't keep your sideboard cards in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaximumC View Post
    I think what you're trying to say is that you never learned to properly riffle shuffle, but that's ok, you can use other kinds of shuffles, too.
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    I have issues shuffling due to extensive damage in my left hand. Most of it was rebuilt as a kid and I have near on no sensation in it. I am also left handed.
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    Anyone else a fan of the 60 card pick up shuffle?
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