I have loved Natural Order decks for a long time. They all suffer from the problem of how to protect their fragile combo and how to regain card disadvantage inherent in casting Natural Order (and Force of Will). The legends of Trest help to address these problems, and play well with NO, GSZ, and FoW. This is the deck I am starting with.
Creature (13)
1x Birds of Paradise
4x Deathrite Shaman
1x Edric, Spymaster of Trest
3x Leovold, Emissary of Trest
1x Noble Hierarch
1x Progenitus
1x Tarmogoyf
1x Vendilion Clique
Instant (15)
3x Abrupt Decay
4x Brainstorm
4x Daze
4x Force of Will
Enchantment (1)
1x Sylvan Library
Sorcery (12)
3x Green Sun's Zenith
4x Natural Order
2x Ponder
3x Thoughtseize
Planeswalker (1)
1x Jace, the Mind Sculptor
Land (19)
2x Bayou
1x Dryad Arbor
1x Forest
4x Misty Rainforest
2x Polluted Delta
3x Tropical Island
2x Underground Sea
4x Verdant Catacombs
Sideboard (15)
1x Abrupt Decay
2x Disfigure
2x Engineered Plague
2x Flusterstorm
1x Kitchen Finks
2x Scavenging Ooze
2x Surgical Extraction
2x Null Rod
1x Reclamation Sage
Main deck has 1 too many cards currently. The sideboard is also a work in progress. The main deck Tarmogoyf is really intended as a road block, or occasional cheap beater. That is my most likely cut to get to 60 but I am open to suggestions.
I like the mana base, # of dorks, and # of ways to get a naturally draw Progenitus back into the deck. Blue card and green creature counts are both acceptable, plus eight fetches into arbor is solid.
Alternatively the deck could be built without the GSZ package, going towards baleful strix, more ponders and cliques. This probably improves the delver matchup, but would require a dramatically different sideboard, and alteration of the acceleration and protection packages.
Thoughts?
I really like it. if you could find spot for 4 Delver, with Shaman that would be already a great plan-b winning condition.
Also 1x Gurmag Angler to make a use of the graveyard would be fine. Imho it's better than Tarmogoyf. It's not tutorable though
Also Vendilion is good but also Therapy + Probe would be
You probably don't need 4 NOs.Originally Posted by limbo
I think this deck is missing a plan b of attack. 1 tarmogoyf isn't enough.
Agreed. In my limited time playing RUG NO, having access to essentially 7 copies of Goyf won a lot of games on its own. Opponents visibly frustrated at facing multiple a game.
So your initial read would be that I should have a beat down aspect as the alt-win? Thoughtseize for goyf/GSZ targets or something of that ilk?
I use to play Bant NO, and there I always had Knight as the alt-win plan and GSZ got amazing hate bears. I would love to keep the deck truly 3 color.... Hmmm. Thanks for the input.
Beat down should be the main plan with the option to NO
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The main issue with this deck is that GSZ and NO love green creatures and Edric loves evasive creatures. There aren't many good green evasive creatures... Leo is amazing but he is best as a silver bullet, multiple mainboard copies aren't very good.
Do you know what assuming does? It makes an ass out of you and me.
Get it...? Ass, u, me?
... ffs I was trying to be funny...
This is a build that has more beef in the main, and a bit more grave hate and life gain (oozes) as supplemental disruption (where thoughtseizes had been). Edric is clearly weak in creature matchups, I was thinking of it as a card for control matchups main deck (similar to sword of fire and ice in stoneblade decks).
Creature (16)
4x Deathrite Shaman
1x Edric, Spymaster of Trest
2x Leovold, Emissary of Trest
1x Noble Hierarch
1x Progenitus
2x Scavenging Ooze
3x Tarmogoyf
2x Vendilion Clique
Instant (15)
3x Abrupt Decay
4x Brainstorm
4x Daze
4x Force of Will
Planeswalker (1)
1x Jace, the Mind Sculptor
Sorcery (8)
3x Green Sun's Zenith
3x Natural Order
2x Ponder
Enchantment (1)
1x Sylvan Library
Land (19)
2x Bayou
1x Dryad Arbor
1x Forest
4x Misty Rainforest
2x Polluted Delta
3x Tropical Island
2x Underground Sea
4x Verdant Catacombs
Sideboard (15)
1x Abrupt Decay
2x Disfigure
1x Empyrial Archangel
2x Engineered Plague
2x Flusterstorm
2x Kitchen Finks
2x Null Rod
1x Reclamation Sage
2x Surgical Extraction
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Relevant numbers
Blue Count: 21
Green Creatures: 14 (counting arbor, not counting Progenitus)
Fetches that hit Dryad Arbor: 8
Ways to get Progenitus out of hand: 7
Also of note, without thoughtseize, this is quickly becoming simply UG with a light splash, so going back to my preferred Bant colors and splashing Leovold isn't out of the question. I try to get out but that Shard keeps pulling me back in.
It's difficult to justify jumping through hoops for Progenitus when you could just be casting True-Name Nemesis... You can easily turn TNN into Prog with a single Rafiq and you won't even have to sacrifice anything.
If you are absolutely determined to use NO, then I think Thoughtseize is the way to go. You don't really want to Daze in a slow deck that doesn't pack Wasteland and aims at casting big Zeniths and Orders.
Do you know what assuming does? It makes an ass out of you and me.
Get it...? Ass, u, me?
... ffs I was trying to be funny...
Awesome list OP. NO 4cc Progenitus is very underrated.
I would play the 9/9 that destroys 3 permanents as well though
My only concern is that it dies to plow, and other various removal. I would really like to see another NO target also in the MB
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