I think I see what you're trying to get at here
No need to be insecure about it. There's tons of people out there who will happily throw around the empty "always a best deck", "skill-intensive", "just adapt" and derail any further discussion.
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What always annoys me with Legacy content, is that Tier 1 is pretty narrow and makes up a large chunk of the format. There's another legit 20 decks to consider though in that remaining 33% of the metagame that you didn't cover. Maybe some articles covering some of the T2 stuff could be good. It's a lot to write about, but just telling people the decks are out there could promote the format and show that it actually really is very diverse. Most of the T2 decks can win a smaller event, or even T8 a larger one with the right prep so I don't think it's fair to just brush them all off.Originally Posted by akatsuki
Thanks for the article, Bob! It'd be great to see the piece on knowing your role.
While I also get tired of Tier 1/Brainstorm-centric content, it's probably best for a State Of The Union article to focus on the biggest, most-popular decks.
This is a valid criticism, IMO. I have felt this way in the past. There really is a lot to choose from in Legacy, and this article does nothing to bring that to the light. However, for grinders and true spikes, what Bob wrote about is what they want to learn about. While there really are a lot of cool and interesting decks, this article seems to be less about "what is out there" and more about "what are you most likely to run into at the top tables".
Perhaps it is time for a much more ambitious piece about the entirety of Legacy. Hmm.
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He never said the kill condition is improved, he said it's faster. Read the article rather than between the lines.
Well that escalated quickly
Miracles is the best deck, period. However, it does have a few issues that prevent it from being played well by everybody
1) It is hard to play, there are a lot of decisions to make
2) You need to play quickly and ensure your opponent does the same
2b) Games may go long and it gets tiring
3) The playstyle, control - prison isn't for everybody
I'm personally not playing it because of the above reasons. And I also believe that you CAN be at least even against Miracles if you test the match-up and play the correct SB cards. Yes, Miracles has answers like Wear//Tear, Council's Judgment, Blood Moon and Terminus for a lot of the cards that are good against it. However, they also have a limited sideboard and can't fight everything at once. Their answers don't always line up correctly, and it's usually better to be the one presenting the threats and forcing your opponents to have the right answers.
Another reason that I'm against a ban is that I've come to terms with the fact that Legacy will likely always have a "best deck" from here on out. The cards are just too powerful and rogue strategies will never be as they were back in the 2000's. So if we ban Miracles, something else will likely take its place and we'll be complaining about that deck. As long as tournaments are finishing in a timely manner, I'm okay with the best deck being something that I personally wouldn't touch.
In the end, Legacy is now about playskill instead of brewing, which is good and bad.
I am not quite sure why my post got deleted If I just quoted posts existing.
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There is a thread for B/R bullshit. If you want to masterbate over your own never changing views feel free to take it there. While this article may not be perfect, it's a product of the format for which it is written. It's also an article seeking to look at the most popular decks currently in the format. This means that yes, it's going to talk about whatever deck you have a personal gripe with. That is not an invitation to bring here said gripe.
This thread is for discussions about the article, suggestions for changes to the article and future ideas for the author. While yes, threads morph and change as they grow, try and keep to those topics.
Dice.
Just don't want to dive too deep down that rabbit hole. Nothing personal.
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Fuck. Which one of my quotes do I drop for this?
Starting with T1 is a fine intro to the format, but grinders and spikes can choose other decks too. I recognize that I'm pretty biased here because I play a few of those miscellaneous T2 decks that are always nameless, but I still think it's valid to at least talk about the decks so people know they're out there. Once you get out of the early rounds where you can run into some very random decks (or bypass that completely with byes) you run into the mid rounds where these decks hang around. Just look at what day 2's each GP.
There's a lot of strategies beyond just those T1 decks, and you will probably go against them in a couple rounds. If you want to top 8, you do need to recognize and beat them. And by that metric I think it's perfectly reasonable to talk about them. Maybe not with as much attention as the T1 decks get, but over the course of a couple followup articles, bringing up the 1-3% metagame decks could be very reasonable because chances are 1/3 of your games are going to be against that group of decks.
In addition to that, there's a large amount of Legacy play that happens outside of GP's. The fact is, there's only a couple large Legacy tournaments a year. The format has been pushed to a local level where people can viably play things that are capable of going 4-0 in a swiss but not necessarily 14-2 in a GP which again means that to play the format well you need to be familiar with a wide range of decks. Just take a card like Cabal Therapy... you're going to lose a lot of matches that you wouldn't otherwise lose if you're relying on that card and are paired up against unfamiliar decks.
The NW scene has shown that it's possible to do both. Look at Phazonmutant's Miracle of Science deck (http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/s...CardKingdom-1K) or my Titania deck from the Treasure Cruise era last year (http://www.starcitygames.com/article...Power.htmlyear). I agree that it's much harder now to brew successfully than it was in the late 2000s.
And Splinter Twin top 8'ed Legacy Champs with 744 people!
These things can definitely happen, but it's much harder. In addition, most of these brews tend to be a flash in the pan instead of a format stalwart. Last successful brew would have to be Infect I think.
Great example! I had forgotten about Splinter Twin.
Aluren just won the SCG Legacy Classic in Milwaukee. Can't say it's just a NW phenomenon. Also, two pilots in the Top 8.
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