In their latest series of moves, it seems like SCG has cut legacy support back even further to only two Opens per year, and only two classics per season. I'm not sure they could have given us more of a giant middle finger without cutting the format entirely.
http://www.starcitygames.com/article/33951
Lol, of course they would take away the small glimmer of happiness where I could at least see top 8 decklists each sunday of something legacy.
I guess even that was too much to ask, let alone watching or even playing legacy on sundays.
Fuck these guys.
Hoping another group steps up to fill that gap :(
It's WotC's fault. They have failed to take steps to address the Reserve List conundrum, and they seem to have serious bias against some styles of play that are a big draw to the Legacy format (combo and big spells).
Show of hands of who did not see this coming.
Originally Posted by iatee
Yea. Called this on The Salt Mine.
It is better to ask and look stupid then keep your mouth shut and remain so.
I hope your afterlife is filled with eternal torment.
Fuck. Which one of my quotes do I drop for this?
I mean, the format's ultimately doomed. The question isn't if we're going the way of Vintage, but when, on what timeframe. So on that level none of this should surprise. Also figures that cutting support would start a downward trend, it's harder to keep people excited if they can't tune in or attend often.
I saw it coming when they announced modern will replace the dead extended as the fixed eternal format.
WOTC even failed with that format, go figure.
The failure of this game will be due to WOTC catering to standard players and playstyles associated with that format (grey orgres vs grizzly bears herp derp). Having an eternal format where summer bloom, green sun's zenith and splinter twin are banned is a fucking joke.
^werd
Sadly I'm on my phone, otherwise I'd meme Sigourney Weaver in Avatar when she says "See? They're pissing on us without even the courtesy of calling it rain."
This is entirely on WOTC. SCG and other large vendors wanted Wizards to get rid of the RL years ago, but instead Wizards doubled down on it.
I really cannot blame SCG here. Modern is more popular than Legacy because it's cheaper, not because it's better and Wizards has way more competitive events for Modern than Legacy. Anybody with a brain knows that if Legacy were just as inexpensive as Modern and received as much support as Modern did, Modern would be as unpopular as old Extended. SCG has to sell what their customers demand and that's what they're doing. Remember, Peter Hoefling said they were considering DROPPING the SCG Tour altogether. Legacy, and MTG for that matter in general, has always been too expensive for it's own damn good. A lot of people might only be able to afford one blue Legacy deck, but that means being able to afford maybe three or four Modern decks. Then, it becomes easier to build other decks cause you have multiple pieces for other decks and it becomes easier to justify buying more cards, especially since those cards are likely to be cheaper.
People like to put this all on the reserve list - and I mean the reserve list is stupid, don't get me wrong - but formats that allow you to not buy cards aren't good for Wizards and they aren't good for card vendors. It doesn't matter whether Underground Seas are $20 or $300, you buy them once and you don't buy them again. That's part of the appeal.
Modern is only good for Wizards/vendors in that it helps keep some value in cards that float out of Standard. With the exception of a card here and there, Legacy's not going to ever do that. The format itself is not good for selling cards and never will be, reserve list or no.
I think the argument for SCG keeping legacy alive should be based on the fact that it's a superior tournament format to Modern and that makes for good TV. I don't think it's a coincidence that a lot of the SCG best-of clips are crazy legacy plays / decks.
Um... disagree! Put a set together with duals in the expedition/invention slots and see how much sealed product gets sold.
EDIT: The more I think about this, the more it could be good for eternal formats in the long run. Hear me out. If Legacy tanks, all the people sitting on the RL cards will see their value plummet (eventually). At that point, WotC has some leverage - "We will reprint in a limited way in order to keep your value from falling any further."
You have to consider that WotC works closely with certain vendors and companies, thus will not piss on them by devaluing their stock of cards out of the blue
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Don't you think SSG cutting Legacy support will erode the player base and cause a devaluation anyway? Won't people say "Fuck it, the format is dying a slow death. I'm cashing out wile the cashing is good!" ???
The only people selling now are this who don't see the worth in keeping a deck when there's no opportunity to play. The people that don't play are fine with buying at reduced prices
There's got to be a tipping point where people holding the cards realize there's no viable format anymore. At that point, what are they holding the cards for? Who would want them? It will be a race to the bottom as they dump cards trying not to be the one without a chair when the music stops completely.
If people were banking on playing legacy at an SCG event that was worth going to, they're already two years too late unless you're entranced by the idea of converting $40 and 12 hours of your time into 3,600 worth of fun bucks that you can spend on boxes that you can then sell to 10 people who play draft in order to finally make $800 to buy something useful. And that's assuming you win...
Sadly, I haven't had a reason to play in an SCG event since 2011 other than GP NJ. They abandoned Pittsburgh, and by the time I moved away they abandoned my format. At one point I ran a total of my purchases from SCG and it was an embarrassingly large sum-- these days I rarely pick anything up from them and it honestly disappoints me. SCG used to be a premium brand that I associated with the best in magic. Every Sunday I would tune in to watch Legacy coverage, I'd see a neat deck and pick up what I needed for it when I visited their site on a daily basis. Now SCG doesn't even show up in the top 50 sites that I visit. I wish things had played out differently...
The upside is that locally there are still tourneys to play and pick up games to enjoy, and the good folks at Tales of Adventure are doing their part in providing premier events for the Eternal community. In that way they're really punching above their weight considering how new they are to the large TO scene.
I'll definitely be standing at the bottom to scoop up everything I can, if that were to happen. I'm happy to hold my chair, because I didn't buy all this crap to make or preserve value, I bought it because I wanted it and I want to use it to play the game (even if that ends up only being once a year, like Sanctioned Vintage is for me now).
Also, do we really need two threads for this?
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