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    Re: [Primer] Nic Fit

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    No Good. I still can't find myself on discord reddit and rest of this stuff ;)

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    That's Jim Lampman, a good friend of mine. This was in Syracuse, NY.

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    Re: [Primer] Nic Fit

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Keller View Post
    That's Jim Lampman, a good friend of mine. This was in Syracuse, NY.
    A single Night's Whisper seems a little odd, but the list sure is interesting.

    I think I'd personally prefer your Blue build more in my meta, but with that many removal spells, the GB list does look like a monster vs. anything mid-range.
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    Re: [Primer] Nic Fit

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Keller View Post
    That's Jim Lampman, a good friend of mine. This was in Syracuse, NY.
    Do you think the black-centric focus is better than the GSZ engine? There are Explorers and Therapies, but no GSZ package, so is it even Nic-Fit really?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Safety View Post
    Do you think the black-centric focus is better than the GSZ engine? There are Explorers and Therapies, but no GSZ package, so is it even Nic-Fit really?
    That's more of a fundamental question as it pertains to what quantifies a deck as being "Nic Fit." When you have Veteran Explorer and Cabal Therapy, I think that's more descriptive of a Nic Fit deck than Green Sun's Zenith. I know that sounds bizarre saying that, but for me that's what rings more true. Explorer and Therapy are the cornerstones of Nic Fit. Zenith is absolutely one too, but those cards are the bread and butter.

    Jim's deck is really focused more on crushing fair match-ups with a ton of removal. He's been playing for a very long time, so the deck kind of resembles pre-Nic Fit Explorer decks.

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    I agree with Mike. His build reminds me a lot more like that deck that was GB, had Helldozer, maybe Gigapede, etc. and was all about the grind and infinite removal. Can't remember the name, now. This GB build is a much more grind-oriented, and a lot less dependent on tutors. I wonder if he feels there's enough card draw with just 1 NW and 1 Sylvan.

    I've got a 1k coming up locally, and I still want to play Rhinos.

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    Re: [Primer] Nic Fit

    Quote Originally Posted by sdematt View Post
    I agree with Mike. His build reminds me a lot more like that deck that was GB, had Helldozer, maybe Gigapede, etc. and was all about the grind and infinite removal. Can't remember the name, now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sdematt View Post
    I agree with Mike. His build reminds me a lot more like that deck that was GB, had Helldozer, maybe Gigapede, etc. and was all about the grind and infinite removal. Can't remember the name, now. This GB build is a much more grind-oriented, and a lot less dependent on tutors. I wonder if he feels there's enough card draw with just 1 NW and 1 Sylvan.

    I've got a 1k coming up locally, and I still want to play Rhinos.
    Funny you mentioned that. I actually smashed a BUG player at the last 2K with Gigapede in my BUG Oko build lol. It just kept coming!

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    Re: [Primer] Nic Fit

    Bingo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sdematt View Post
    Bingo.
    Best part? It's six power. So it can't be hit by Oko and unabated it kills Oko in one swing if it's ticked up to six.

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    A new shot at Nicfit.

    CATFIT

    MAINDECK
    Creatures [21]
    4 Veteran Explorer
    4 Orcish Lumberjack
    2 Cauldron Familiar
    2 Young Pyromancer
    3 Korvold, Fae-Cursed King
    3 Titania, Protector of Argoth
    1 Scavenging Ooze
    1 Sylvan Safekeeper
    1 Ramunap Excavator

    Spells [16]
    4 Cabal Therapy
    4 Green Sun's Zenith
    2 Punishing Fire
    2 Abrupt Decay
    2 Sylvan Library
    2 Witch’s Oven

    Land [23]
    4 Wooded Foothills
    4 Verdant Catacombs
    3 Taiga
    2 Bayou
    1 Badlands
    2 Forest
    1 Mountain
    1 Swamp
    3 Grove of the Burnwillows
    1 Dryad Arbor
    1 Phyrexian Tower

    SIDEBOARD
    2 Choke
    1 Destructive Flow
    1 Carpet of Flowers
    1 Surgical Extraction
    1 Planar Void
    1 Faerie Macabre
    1 Collector’s Ouphe
    1 Melira, Sylvok Outcast
    1 Gaddock Teeg
    2 Veil of Summer
    2 Pyroblast
    1 Kolaghan's Command


    Introduction:
    You want to open with an Orcish Lumberjack or a Veteran Explorer, fire off Cabal Therapies and resolve either Korvold or Titania. This list is very similar to NicFit except that it borrows from Applejacks and Jund Sacrifice.

    Potential Improvements:
    * The list needs more ways to disrupt the opponent besides Cabal Therapy because of Veil of Summer.
    * Considering Greater Gargadon over the cat-oven package purely for its more explosive character, however, the list already has 1 Sylvan Safekeeper which can mass-sacrifice as well and can be searched with Green Sun's Zenith.
    * I considered Mayhem Daredevil. It's played in JUND Sacrifice and Applejacks. However, it cannot be searched with GSZ and slots are tight.
    * Greater Gargadon has synergy with Young Pyromancer
    * Considering -2 Oven +2 Gargadon, -2 Cauldron Familiar +2 Mayhem Devil
    * The list is soft to Karakas, so that must be addressed outside of Sylvan Safekeeper. Blood Sun doesn’t look like an option with so many fetch lands.

    Maindeck Interactions:
    Young Pyromancer and Cabal Therapy
    Young Pyromancer and Punishing Fire
    Grove of the Burnwillows and Punishing Fire
    Cabal Therapy and Veteran Explorer
    Witch's Oven and Veteran Explorer
    Witch's Oven and Cauldron Familiar
    Titania, Protector of Argoth and Witch's Oven and Dryad Arbor
    Titania, Protector of Argoth and fetchland
    Sylvan Safekeeper and Korvold, Fae-Cursed King
    Sylvan Safekeeper and Titania, Protector of Argoth
    Witch's Oven and Cauldron Familiar and Korvold, Fae-Cursed King

    Sack Outlets:
    Cabal Therapy
    Witch's Oven
    Phyrexian Tower


    Sideboard choices for my meta:
    Choke - Delver, BANT Miracles and Snoko
    Destructive Flow - Eldrazi, Stompy, 12-post, Grixis Delver
    Carpet of Flowers - Delver, BANT Miracles, Snoko
    Surgical Extraction - Breach, Reanimator
    Planar Void - Reanimator, Breach, Dredge
    Faerie Macabre - Reanimator, Breach
    Collector’s Ouphe - TES, Breach, Bomberman
    Melira, Sylvok Outcast - Infect
    Gaddock Teeg - TES, ANT
    Veil of Summer - Grixis Delver
    Pyroblast - Delver variants, Jace, Oko
    Kolaghan's Command - Death & Taxes, Equipment
    Last edited by bruizar; 02-22-2020 at 04:37 AM.

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    Hi everyone, could I get the link to the discord channel please?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PuppyWuppy View Post
    Hi everyone, could I get the link to the discord channel please?
    nvm got it

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    Quote Originally Posted by bruizar View Post
    A new shot at Nicfit.

    CATFIT

    MAINDECK
    Creatures [21]
    4 Veteran Explorer
    4 Orcish Lumberjack
    2 Cauldron Familiar
    2 Young Pyromancer
    3 Korvold, Fae-Cursed King
    3 Titania, Protector of Argoth
    1 Scavenging Ooze
    1 Sylvan Safekeeper
    1 Ramunap Excavator

    Spells [16]
    4 Cabal Therapy
    4 Green Sun's Zenith
    2 Punishing Fire
    2 Abrupt Decay
    2 Sylvan Library
    2 Witch’s Oven

    Land [23]
    4 Wooded Foothills
    4 Verdant Catacombs
    3 Taiga
    2 Bayou
    1 Badlands
    2 Forest
    1 Mountain
    1 Swamp
    3 Grove of the Burnwillows
    1 Dryad Arbor
    1 Phyrexian Tower

    SIDEBOARD
    2 Choke
    1 Destructive Flow
    1 Carpet of Flowers
    1 Surgical Extraction
    1 Planar Void
    1 Faerie Macabre
    1 Collector’s Ouphe
    1 Melira, Sylvok Outcast
    1 Gaddock Teeg
    2 Veil of Summer
    2 Pyroblast
    1 Kolaghan's Command


    Introduction:
    You want to open with an Orcish Lumberjack or a Veteran Explorer, fire off Cabal Therapies and resolve either Korvold or Titania. This list is very similar to NicFit except that it borrows from Applejacks and Jund Sacrifice.

    Potential Improvements:
    * The list needs more ways to disrupt the opponent besides Cabal Therapy because of Veil of Summer.
    * Considering Greater Gargadon over the cat-oven package purely for its more explosive character, however, the list already has 1 Sylvan Safekeeper which can mass-sacrifice as well and can be searched with Green Sun's Zenith.
    * I considered Mayhem Daredevil. It's played in JUND Sacrifice and Applejacks. However, it cannot be searched with GSZ and slots are tight.
    * Greater Gargadon has synergy with Young Pyromancer
    * Considering -2 Oven +2 Gargadon, -2 Cauldron Familiar +2 Mayhem Devil
    * The list is soft to Karakas, so that must be addressed outside of Sylvan Safekeeper. Blood Sun doesn’t look like an option with so many fetch lands.

    Maindeck Interactions:
    Young Pyromancer and Cabal Therapy
    Young Pyromancer and Punishing Fire
    Grove of the Burnwillows and Punishing Fire
    Cabal Therapy and Veteran Explorer
    Witch's Oven and Veteran Explorer
    Witch's Oven and Cauldron Familiar
    Titania, Protector of Argoth and Witch's Oven and Dryad Arbor
    Titania, Protector of Argoth and fetchland
    Sylvan Safekeeper and Korvold, Fae-Cursed King
    Sylvan Safekeeper and Titania, Protector of Argoth
    Witch's Oven and Cauldron Familiar and Korvold, Fae-Cursed King

    Sack Outlets:
    Cabal Therapy
    Witch's Oven
    Phyrexian Tower


    Sideboard choices for my meta:
    Choke - Delver, BANT Miracles and Snoko
    Destructive Flow - Eldrazi, Stompy, 12-post, Grixis Delver
    Carpet of Flowers - Delver, BANT Miracles, Snoko
    Surgical Extraction - Breach, Reanimator
    Planar Void - Reanimator, Breach, Dredge
    Faerie Macabre - Reanimator, Breach
    Collector’s Ouphe - TES, Breach, Bomberman
    Melira, Sylvok Outcast - Infect
    Gaddock Teeg - TES, ANT
    Veil of Summer - Grixis Delver
    Pyroblast - Delver variants, Jace, Oko
    Kolaghan's Command - Death & Taxes, Equipment
    This is incredibly sweet. Is this the list thrabenu will be playing?
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    Re: [Primer] Nic Fit

    Hey everybody, yes, that's me. Yes, the deck is an evolution over the last almost 15 years from Trainwreck - just BG, all about the grind.

    Fun facts about that tournament:

    2-0 twice against Reanimator - Faerie Macabre has a very positive interaction with Exhume - also removal plus MD and SD Ashiok, Dream Render.
    2-1 against Elves; Kalitus doing a lot of work (can't be hit up Adrupt Decay), just sits there and does horrible things - one game, I was attacked by Progenitus 4 times and I ended the game at 40 life, also the same Progenitus was played 2-3 times in another game.
    2nd round I decked a Delver player. (too many draw spells, not enough creatures staying on the board more than a turn to be able to attack)
    Lost to OmniTell game three in quarter finals, very close. Guy felt pretty frustrated losing game one to a Show and Telled Basic Forest from me vs an Emrakul from him.
    Good day was had.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim View Post
    Hey everybody, yes, that's me. Yes, the deck is an evolution over the last almost 15 years from Trainwreck - just BG, all about the grind.

    Fun facts about that tournament:

    2-0 twice against Reanimator - Faerie Macabre has a very positive interaction with Exhume - also removal plus MD and SD Ashiok, Dream Render.
    2-1 against Elves; Kalitus doing a lot of work (can't be hit up Adrupt Decay), just sits there and does horrible things - one game, I was attacked by Progenitus 4 times and I ended the game at 40 life, also the same Progenitus was played 2-3 times in another game.
    2nd round I decked a Delver player. (too many draw spells, not enough creatures staying on the board more than a turn to be able to attack)
    Lost to OmniTell game three in quarter finals, very close. Guy felt pretty frustrated losing game one to a Show and Telled Basic Forest from me vs an Emrakul from him.
    Good day was had.
    Straight GB is my modjo since 2 years, now (List and achievements here).

    13th @ a 200 ppl tournament
    1st @ a 50 ppl tournament

    Consistency is what you need when playing such deck.
    GB provides that. Period.

    I like your build. Old one with new stuff in it.
    3 Grave Titans feel like ancient age but so powerful (Grave Titan is still the only one creature that can actually beat a resolved Emrakul/Grisel. Explanations here).
    No GSZ. A mix between PW/hard to deal with creatures (reminding me PW teck a few years ago).

    The rest is GB good stuff.

    You might need to revisit your sideboarding strategy. I feel like you really want to win fair fights a tad too much.
    You might be able to leverage your combo MUs without losing too much win % against fair decks.

    But that is my opinion.

    Thank you for sharing !

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    Re: [Primer] Nic Fit

    Quote Originally Posted by Ralf View Post

    You might need to revisit your sideboarding strategy. I feel like you really want to win fair fights a tad too much.
    You might be able to leverage your combo MUs without losing too much win % against fair decks.

    But that is my opinion.

    Thank you for sharing !

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