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    Re: Do you enjoy the current state of legacy?

    who like to play 60-card-blue-highlander-goodstuff + 4x FoW.

    So vintage players like to play...vintage...

  2. #102

    Re: Do you enjoy the current state of legacy?

    No.

    Brainstorm still legal? Show and Tell still legal?

    Enjoy your broken blue format and let me know when you want to actually play Magic with the rest of the colors. I'll be enjoying my '94 Magic cube and Commander until then.

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    Re: Do you enjoy the current state of legacy?

    Quote Originally Posted by frogczar View Post
    No.

    Brainstorm still legal? Show and Tell still legal?

    Enjoy your broken blue format
    and let me know when you want to actually play Magic with the rest of the colors. I'll be enjoying my '94 Magic cube and Commander until then.
    Lmfao what? I'm pretty sure i've seen more degenerate blue stuff on a daily basis in commander than I have in legacy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Megadeus View Post
    Vintage side events in Louisville looked too have around 40 each round
    please stop quoting him, or ill have to block you also ... we had between 24-40 ... less for the one right in the main event Saturday.

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    Re: Do you enjoy the current state of legacy?

    Quote Originally Posted by ESG View Post
    Yes, the efficiency is higher than it used to be, but there's always room to brew. Every time a new set is released or people move to different decks, you have a new opportunity. The Seattle area is always experimenting, and you can watch our streams/VODs to see the latest brews. In the past six months, you could have seen people playing around with the Monarch mechanic, vehicles, Leovold brews, Shared Fate, Tainted Pact, a Nykthos Leylines deck, a four-color Vial deck with Notion Thief AND Phyrexian Obliterator, and more. If you're bored with the format, you need to see what other players are doing and get inspired.
    Link to the recording of the Nykthos leyline deck please :-)

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    Legacy players can be so funny. Brainstorm is running rampant for years but now suddenly the biggest culprits in legacy are Eldrazi, Chalice and Abrupt Decay. Seriously?

    I actualy think Legacy is a lot more enjoyable lately thanks to new printings and a complete new blueless delverless deck in Eldrazi. For me, legacy was very stale since the printing of the hideous TNN (which gave blue yet another threat they should not have) untill about the printing of Eldrazi's. The KTK period with Cruise and Dig was the worst period and I even momentarily just stopped playing because that meta realy sucked.

    At the moment I feel like there is a lot of unexplored territory with Vehicles, Revolt and maybe even stuff like the new Expertises that have something like a semi-cascade attached. People are just netdecking too much, I am guilty of it myself, but I think if some smart people would start brewing, new decks would emerge.

    PS: I voted for 'itīs okay'

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    Re: Do you enjoy the current state of legacy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Megadeus View Post
    Vintage side events in Louisville looked too have around 40 each round
    Latest MKM Series stop in prague had 39 in the mainevent. What a vibrant format lol
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    Re: Do you enjoy the current state of legacy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lemnear View Post
    Latest MKM Series stop in prague had 39 in the mainevent. What a vibrant format lol
    I knew this would be a mistake ....

    MKM Series London had 26 for Standard? What does that make Vintage? Clearly a rousing fucking success and far more popular than Type II. Ever think maybe the MKM series is a colossal failure?

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    Re: Do you enjoy the current state of legacy?

    Ignoring the usual personal attack: No, I don't bother much about Standard since ~2009 and Vintage since ~2011. Both can go to hell, given how they are managed. Legacy is on a good way achieving the same standing by getting more linear/dumber each year
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    Re: Do you enjoy the current state of legacy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Megadeus View Post
    Vintage side events in Louisville looked too have around 40 each round
    Vintage events exist because VSL pushes it on Twitch very hard. People on this forum tried Legacy Mediocre League, has a reasonable degree of success.

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    Re: Do you enjoy the current state of legacy?

    One of the reasons we haven't seen LML Season #2 yet is because WotC was hesitant to support us because Mike and I were observed to be too critical of MTGO.
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    Re: Do you enjoy the current state of legacy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Julian23 View Post
    One of the reasons we haven't seen LML Season #2 yet is because WotC was hesitant to support us because Mike and I were observed to be too critical of MTGO.
    That's pretty interesting. Kinda understandable, as they don't want to make their terrible product look bad.

    Now if somebody like Reid Duke tried to promote LML, it would probably be different, since he has more mass appeal. Seriously, how high is the opportunity cost for WotC? Give out a bunch of god accounts and a few cards for free, be done with it and get free promotion.

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    Re: Do you enjoy the current state of legacy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Julian23 View Post
    One of the reasons we haven't seen LML Season #2 yet is because WotC was hesitant to support us because Mike and I were observed to be too critical of MTGO.
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    Re: Do you enjoy the current state of legacy?

    as promised, here are the first results of my research (Attention, wall of text incoming)


    Just for better comprehension of the results: What have i done? I split the analyzed timespan into quarters for each year. Then i have built a list of all cards, that were played in this whole timespan. Then i looked up for each single card how big the metashare was for that timespan... There were to methods that came up to my mind for doing so

    A: Count all decks that play a certain card during a quarter and divide by the total decks played in that quarter. This gives you a view on how many decks play a specific card, but it doesnt really represent how many copies.

    or B: Count the exact numbers of the chosen cards that were played during that quarter and divide by the total of deck played that quarter.

    Method B gives you the average Count of that Card over all Decks. For Example over all decks in that quarter 3.1 Brainstorms were played on average. To build a saturation out of that, i divided that number by 4. This means that (3.1/4) * 100 = 77.5% of the possible Brainstorms were played during that era. If the Value reached 100% that meant that all decks would have played 4 Brainstorms. The Issue on this method is that you cant tell wether half of the decks played for 4 Brainstorms or all of the decks played 2 Brainstorms, but it is a lot more precise in terms of getting subtle changes, for example if Miracles played only 3 or 4 Counterbalances during that era or another 4-Off went down to only one copy for example.

    I know both methods have heir strengths and weaknesses, but I personally chose B, because i think it is more streamlined to measure the performance of a specific card, rather than the deck it features. And now lets get on to the data. I set the treshhold to a change of 5% in saturation between the quarters and here are the uncommented results:

    Important note: The percentages describe how much the meta-share increased or decreased absolutely

    I. Q 11 -> II. Q 11

    Winners:

    Mental Misstep 22,05%
    Green Sun's Zenith 12,74%
    Hive Mind 7,86%
    Ancient Tomb 7,63%
    Pact of Negation 7,52%
    Leyline of Sanctity 7,42%
    Summoner's Pact 6,91%
    Grim Monolith 6,83%
    Pact of the Titan 6,27%
    City of Traitors 5,87%
    Underground Sea 5,78%
    Flooded Strand 5,73%
    Intuition 5,51%
    Polluted Delta 5,31%

    Losers:

    Scalding Tarn -5,23%
    Preordain -5,31%
    Tropical Island -5,31%
    Duress -5,77%
    Counterbalance -5,99%
    Sensei's Divining Top -6,54%
    Progenitus -7,40%
    Tarmogoyf -7,64%
    Lotus Petal -7,65%
    Pithing Needle -7,70%
    Aether Vial -8,64%
    Krosan Grip -10,21%

    II. Q 11 -> III. Q 11

    Winners:

    Mental Misstep 43,47%
    Vendilion Clique 17,47%
    Stoneforge Mystic 15,09%
    Swords to Plowshares 13,24%
    Jace, the Mind Sculptor 13,23%
    Tundra 12,96%
    Brainstorm 12,68%
    Force of Will 12,48%
    Wasteland 11,36%
    Ancestral Vision 10,86%
    Flooded Strand 10,41%
    Mishra's Factory 7,77%
    Wrath of God 7,73%
    Daze 7,68%
    Angel's Grace 7,44%
    Knight of the Reliquary 7,30%
    Meddling Mage 6,79%
    Spellstutter Sprite 6,27%
    Batterskull 6,13%
    Green Sun's Zenith 5,85%
    Mutavault 5,80%
    Surgical Extraction 5,78%
    Disenchant 5,58%
    Wooded Foothills 5,18%
    Mox Diamond 5,17%

    Losers:

    Ponder -5,06%
    Seat of the Synod -5,22%
    Ravenous Trap -5,36%
    Krosan Grip -5,60%
    Sensei's Divining Top -6,80%
    Engineered Plague -7,46%
    Ethersworn Canonist -9,52%
    Mindbreak Trap -9,61%

    III. Q 11 -> IV. Q 11

    Winners:

    Snapcaster Mage 26,00%
    Delver of Secrets 20,00%
    Wasteland 15,81%
    Lightning Bolt 15,74%
    Spell Snare 14,92%
    Stifle 13,80%
    Volcanic Island 13,54%
    Silence 13,29%
    Mother of Runes 12,24%
    Tarmogoyf 12,09%
    Mindbreak Trap 12,06%
    Tormod's Crypt 11,27%
    Punishing Fire 10,40%
    Grove of the Burnwillows 9,62%
    Duress 9,06%
    Dismember 8,60%
    Lion's Eye Diamond 8,51%
    Dark Ritual 8,26%
    Lotus Petal 8,09%
    Hymn to Tourach 7,83%
    Marsh Flats 7,24%
    Nimble Mongoose 6,94%
    Gitaxian Probe 6,55%
    Orim's Chant 6,38%
    Ravenous Trap 5,92%
    Arid Mesa 5,86%
    Phyrexian Revoker 5,49%
    Snow-Covered Mountain 5,36%
    Snow-Covered Mountain 5,36%
    Chrome Mox 5,32%
    Ethersworn Canonist 5,22%
    Cabal Ritual 5,05%

    Losers:

    Exhume -5,05%
    Engineered Plague -5,10%
    Slaughter Pact -5,11%
    Summoner's Pact -5,15%
    Entomb -5,32%
    Ancient Grudge -5,35%
    Mishra's Factory -5,37%
    Grim Monolith -5,40%
    Disenchant -5,46%
    Wooded Foothills -5,54%
    Careful Study -5,62%
    Standstill -5,87%
    Emrakul, the Aeons Torn -6,05%
    Pact of Negation -6,36%
    Pact of the Titan -6,39%
    Stoneforge Mystic -6,41%
    Noble Hierarch -6,56%
    Mutavault -6,66%
    Polluted Delta -6,70%
    Ancient Tomb -7,01%
    Cabal Therapy -7,08%
    Hive Mind -7,23%
    Intuition -7,25%
    Angel's Grace -7,55%
    Meddling Mage -7,88%
    Spell Pierce -7,94%
    Swords to Plowshares -9,81%
    Natural Order -9,93%
    Underground Sea -10,65%
    Show and Tell -11,29%
    Ancestral Vision -12,05%
    Flooded Strand -12,56%
    Misty Rainforest -13,57%
    Tundra -14,19%
    Vendilion Clique -14,52%
    Brainstorm -16,74%
    Jace, the Mind Sculptor -18,96%
    Force of Will -21,65%
    Mental Misstep -61,52%

    IV. Q 11 -> I. Q 12

    Winners:

    Surgical Extraction 10,48%
    Brainstorm 9,91%
    Force of Will 9,87%
    Jace, the Mind Sculptor 9,17%
    Cabal Therapy 9,13%
    Intuition 8,48%
    Spell Pierce 8,35%
    Show and Tell 7,83%
    Gemstone Mine 7,83%
    Rite of Flame 7,83%
    Ancient Tomb 7,52%
    Counterbalance 6,74%
    Burning Wish 6,09%
    Nature's Claim 6,09%
    Emrakul, the Aeons Torn 5,96%
    Chalice of the Void 5,87%
    Tundra 5,83%
    Flooded Strand 5,74%
    City of Brass 5,65%
    Engineered Plague 5,22%
    Grim Monolith 5,22%
    Hive Mind 5,22%
    Leyline of Sanctity 5,17%
    Underground Sea 5,13%
    Polluted Delta 5,09%

    Losers:

    Grove of the Burnwillows -5,09%
    Progenitus -5,13%
    Karakas -5,48%
    Ravenous Trap -5,61%
    Mox Diamond -5,74%
    Ethersworn Canonist -5,91%
    Spell Snare -5,96%
    Punishing Fire -6,09%
    Silence -6,74%
    Swords to Plowshares -6,83%
    Stifle -7,26%
    Lightning Bolt -7,61%
    Delver of Secrets -7,83%
    Mother of Runes -7,96%
    Hymn to Tourach -8,22%
    Daze -8,35%
    Thoughtseize -8,70%
    Umezawa's Jitte -9,00%
    Scrubland -9,04%
    Relic of Progenitus -9,26%
    Qasali Pridemage -9,26%
    Tormod's Crypt -9,74%
    Mindbreak Trap -9,96%
    Knight of the Reliquary -10,39%
    Marsh Flats -15,09%
    Wasteland -15,48%
    Tarmogoyf -20,78%

    I. Q 12 -> II. Q 12

    Winners:

    Swords to Plowshares 9,49%
    Thalia, Guardian of Thraben 8,93%
    Mother of Runes 8,62%
    Force of Will 8,54%
    Noble Hierarch 7,96%
    Misty Rainforest 7,91%
    Counterbalance 7,55%
    Sensei's Divining Top 7,20%
    Inquisition of Kozilek 7,18%
    Leyline of Sanctity 6,87%
    Knight of the Reliquary 6,44%
    Lingering Souls 6,00%
    Savannah 5,97%
    Show and Tell 5,86%
    Faithless Looting 5,68%
    Submerge 5,55%
    Guided Passage 5,36%
    Figure of Destiny 5,36%
    Ethersworn Canonist 5,22%

    Losers:

    Cabal Ritual -5,22%
    Goblin Piledriver -5,22%
    Krosan Grip -5,45%
    Bayou -5,66%
    Chalice of the Void -5,87%
    Dark Confidant -6,19%
    Infernal Tutor -6,21%
    Gempalm Incinerator -6,52%
    Dismember -6,64%
    Aether Vial -6,96%
    Goblin Lackey -6,96%
    Goblin Matron -6,96%
    Goblin Ringleader -6,96%
    Dark Ritual -8,92%
    Spell Snare -9,71%
    Delver of Secrets -9,79%
    Verdant Catacombs -9,86%
    Stifle -11,74%
    Wasteland -12,59%

    II. Q 12 -> III. Q 12

    Winners:

    Terminus 13,82%
    Cavern of Souls 12,16%
    Scalding Tarn 11,46%
    Ponder 9,51%
    Daze 9,45%
    Omniscience 8,89%
    Aether Vial 8,62%
    Griselbrand 8,46%
    Delver of Secrets 7,45%
    Goblin Lackey 7,18%
    Goblin Matron 7,00%
    Goblin Ringleader 7,00%
    Oblivion Ring 6,83%
    Thoughtseize 6,49%
    Stifle 6,37%
    Pithing Needle 6,33%
    Goblin Warchief 5,92%
    Gempalm Incinerator 5,83%
    Karakas 5,82%
    Volcanic Island 5,35%
    Goblin Piledriver 5,34%
    Entreat the Angels 5,34%
    Faerie Macabre 5,34%
    Verdant Catacombs 5,19%

    Losers:

    Ethersworn Canonist -5,16%
    Guided Passage -5,36%
    Inquisition of Kozilek -5,56%
    Gemstone Mine -5,62%
    Stoneforge Mystic -5,91%
    Intuition -5,94%
    Lightning Bolt -6,39%
    Snapcaster Mage -6,97%
    Lion's Eye Diamond -7,42%
    Leyline of the Void -7,67%
    Tormod's Crypt -7,72%
    Pyroblast -7,73%
    Bloodbraid Elf -7,74%
    Nature's Claim -9,04%
    Grove of the Burnwillows -10,58%
    Punishing Fire -10,58%
    Leyline of Sanctity -13,26%

    III. Q 12 -> IV. Q 12

    Winners:

    Abrupt Decay 23,52%
    Deathrite Shaman 16,31%
    Polluted Delta 16,28%
    Brainstorm 13,51%
    Tarmogoyf 10,66%
    Ponder 8,64%
    Tropical Island 8,55%
    Duress 7,81%
    Force of Will 7,53%
    Underground Sea 7,49%
    Lion's Eye Diamond 7,38%
    Verdant Catacombs 6,61%
    Engineered Plague 6,42%
    Dark Ritual 5,86%
    Cabal Ritual 5,65%
    Bayou 5,60%
    Hymn to Tourach 5,28%
    Infernal Tutor 5,18%

    Losers:

    Oblivion Ring -5,02%
    Choke -5,17%
    Red Elemental Blast -5,19%
    Sensei's Divining Top -5,24%
    Engineered Explosives -5,32%
    Omniscience -5,50%
    City of Traitors -5,61%
    Qasali Pridemage -5,77%
    Ancient Tomb -6,06%
    Cavern of Souls -6,87%
    Mother of Runes -7,28%
    Path to Exile -7,79%
    Thalia, Guardian of Thraben -8,01%
    Windswept Heath -9,17%
    Savannah -9,48%
    Noble Hierarch -9,61%
    Swords to Plowshares -10,07%
    Knight of the Reliquary -11,98%
    Green Sun's Zenith -12,48%

    IV. Q 12 -> I. Q 13

    Winners:

    Thoughtseize 9,85%
    Deathrite Shaman 8,10%
    Leyline of Sanctity 7,23%
    Lotus Petal 6,59%
    Griselbrand 5,74%
    Lightning Bolt 5,66%
    Verdant Catacombs 5,49%
    Wooded Foothills 5,45%
    Burning Wish 5,08%
    Rite of Flame 5,02%

    Losers:

    Flooded Strand -5,22%
    Terminus -5,29%
    Tropical Island -5,57%
    Scalding Tarn -5,73%
    Vendilion Clique -6,36%
    Force of Will -6,71%
    Brainstorm -6,95%
    Polluted Delta -7,10%

    I. Q 13 -> II. Q 13

    Winners:

    Misty Rainforest 14,97%
    Tarmogoyf 14,46%
    Force of Will 14,07%
    Brainstorm 13,93%
    Shardless Agent 12,51%
    Delver of Secrets 11,46%
    Ancestral Vision 10,40%
    Tropical Island 10,19%
    Lightning Bolt 9,41%
    Nimble Mongoose 8,66%
    Baleful Strix 8,66%
    Wasteland 8,50%
    Daze 8,09%
    Volcanic Island 7,91%
    Surgical Extraction 7,40%
    Spell Pierce 7,36%
    Scalding Tarn 6,92%
    Ponder 6,38%
    Submerge 6,25%
    Stifle 5,81%

    Losers:

    Burning Wish -5,03%
    Engineered Plague -5,24%
    Lingering Souls -5,32%
    Inquisition of Kozilek -5,46%
    Seething Song -5,49%
    Stoneforge Mystic -5,55%
    Dark Confidant -5,72%
    Relic of Progenitus -6,14%
    Rite of Flame -6,69%
    Progenitus -7,37%
    Gitaxian Probe -7,90%
    Lotus Petal -8,68%

    II. Q 13 -> III. Q 13

    Winners:

    Gitaxian Probe 10,56%
    Flooded Strand 6,92%
    Swords to Plowshares 6,28%
    Flusterstorm 5,66%

    Losers:

    Grim Lavamancer -5,03%
    Underground Sea -5,09%
    Scalding Tarn -5,23%
    Submerge -5,32%
    Baleful Strix -5,66%
    Nimble Mongoose -5,70%
    Shardless Agent -5,77%
    Wasteland -6,00%
    Wooded Foothills -6,19%
    Snapcaster Mage -6,38%
    Daze -6,39%
    Spell Pierce -7,38%
    Delver of Secrets -7,61%
    Force of Will -7,72%
    Tropical Island -7,88%
    Ponder -8,34%
    Brainstorm -9,75%
    Lightning Bolt -10,81%
    Surgical Extraction -11,12%
    Misty Rainforest -11,19%
    Tarmogoyf -13,01%

    III. Q 13 -> IV. Q 13

    Winners:

    Lotus Petal 6,13%

    Losers:

    Flooded Strand -6,59%

    IV. Q 13 -> I. Q 14

    Winners:

    True-Name Nemesis 14,65%
    Swords to Plowshares 10,02%
    Stoneforge Mystic 9,78%
    Wasteland 8,52%
    Aether Vial 6,45%
    Daze 5,63%
    Rishadan Port 5,27%
    Pithing Needle 5,07%
    Meddling Mage 5,05%
    Arid Mesa 5,04%

    Losers:

    Misty Rainforest -5,06%
    Stifle -5,14%
    Nimble Mongoose -5,30%
    Dark Ritual -5,38%
    Duress -6,71%
    Lotus Petal -6,79%
    Tarmogoyf -6,81%
    Cabal Therapy -7,14%
    Gitaxian Probe -10,73%

    I. Q 14 -> II. Q 14

    Winners:

    Cabal Therapy 8,68%
    Lion's Eye Diamond 8,15%
    Gitaxian Probe 7,34%
    Deathrite Shaman 6,40%

    Losers:

    True-Name Nemesis -5,29%
    Tundra -5,48%
    Flooded Strand -5,88%
    Red Elemental Blast -6,53%
    Force of Will -6,83%
    Stoneforge Mystic -8,98%
    Swords to Plowshares -10,85%

    II. Q 14 -> III. Q 14

    Winners:

    Force of Will 8,11%
    Flusterstorm 7,37%
    Misty Rainforest 7,25%
    Sensei's Divining Top 6,44%
    Terminus 5,65%
    Verdant Catacombs 5,30%
    Council's Judgment 5,16%
    Arid Mesa 5,02%

    Losers:

    Dark Confidant -5,10%
    Deathrite Shaman -5,29%
    Surgical Extraction -5,37%
    Thoughtseize -5,85%
    Wasteland -11,04%
    Polluted Delta -13,98%

    III. Q 14 -> IV. Q 14

    Winners:

    Treasure Cruise 31,85%
    Ponder 22,68%
    Gitaxian Probe 20,33%
    Volcanic Island 20,30%
    Polluted Delta 18,66%
    Flooded Strand 18,05%
    Young Pyromancer 17,47%
    Monastery Swiftspear 16,13%
    Lightning Bolt 15,17%
    Pyroblast 13,56%
    Brainstorm 10,46%
    Delver of Secrets 10,19%
    Dig Through Time 8,33%
    Forked Bolt 7,04%
    Stoneforge Mystic 6,42%
    Daze 6,32%
    Force of Will 5,96%
    Lotus Petal 5,51%
    Tundra 5,10%

    Losers:

    Hymn to Tourach -5,24%
    Goblin Guide -5,59%
    Wasteland -5,62%
    Ancestral Vision -6,08%
    Shardless Agent -6,10%
    Underground Sea -6,27%
    Misty Rainforest -6,64%
    Thoughtseize -6,88%
    Liliana of the Veil -7,19%
    Abrupt Decay -7,20%
    Tropical Island -7,48%
    Jace, the Mind Sculptor -7,57%
    Tarmogoyf -10,79%
    Verdant Catacombs -15,55%
    Deathrite Shaman -15,76%

    IV. Q 14 -> I. Q 15

    Winners:

    Dig Through Time 17,72%
    Polluted Delta 13,86%
    Underground Sea 11,81%
    Tarmogoyf 8,64%
    Tropical Island 7,85%
    Deathrite Shaman 7,57%
    Wasteland 6,79%
    Force of Will 6,42%
    Stifle 5,24%
    Brainstorm 5,07%

    Losers:

    Arid Mesa -5,24%
    Lightning Bolt -5,78%
    Volcanic Island -7,11%
    Gitaxian Probe -7,15%
    Young Pyromancer -7,28%
    Scalding Tarn -7,76%
    Pyroblast -8,60%
    Monastery Swiftspear -9,63%
    Treasure Cruise -24,51%

    I. Q 15 -> II. Q 15

    Winners:

    Dig Through Time 10,63%
    Flooded Strand 7,48%
    Snapcaster Mage 6,68%
    Young Pyromancer 5,80%
    Gitaxian Probe 5,74%
    Counterspell 5,54%
    Flusterstorm 5,44%
    Terminus 5,10%

    Losers:

    Thoughtseize -5,07%
    Delver of Secrets -5,32%
    Daze -6,08%
    Misty Rainforest -6,55%
    Treasure Cruise -7,34%
    Wasteland -7,99%

    II. Q 15 -> III. Q 15

    Winners:

    Wasteland 15,01%
    Deathrite Shaman 6,94%
    Surgical Extraction 5,87%
    Abrupt Decay 5,43%
    Mox Diamond 5,33%
    Trinisphere 5,11%

    Losers:

    Grafdigger's Cage -5,03%
    Polluted Delta -5,32%
    Force of Will -5,65%
    Volcanic Island -6,24%
    Brainstorm -6,56%
    Flooded Strand -10,86%

    III. Q 15 -> IV. Q 15

    Winners:

    Verdant Catacombs 6,50%
    Stifle 6,02%
    Abrupt Decay 5,67%

    Losers:

    Polluted Delta -5,04%
    Trinisphere -5,20%
    Preordain -5,28%
    Lightning Bolt -5,29%
    Flusterstorm -5,36%
    Force of Will -5,44%
    Brainstorm -5,76%
    Volcanic Island -6,17%
    Young Pyromancer -6,60%
    Pyroblast -6,64%
    Gitaxian Probe -9,28%
    Ponder -9,30%
    Dig Through Time -35,82%

    IV. Q 15 -> I. Q 16

    Winners:

    Ancient Tomb 7,69%
    Warping Wail 7,43%
    Thought-Knot Seer 7,43%
    Eldrazi Temple 7,40%
    Reality Smasher 7,40%
    Eldrazi Mimic 7,10%
    Endless One 6,53%
    City of Traitors 6,50%
    Dismember 6,07%
    Cavern of Souls 6,06%
    Eye of Ugin 5,91%
    Chalice of the Void 5,17%
    Thorn of Amethyst 5,13%

    Losers:

    Flooded Strand -5,42%
    Force of Will -5,72%
    Ponder -7,17%

    I. Q 16 -> II. Q 16

    Winners:

    Flooded Strand 6,82%
    Ponder 6,40%
    Sensei's Divining Top 5,76%
    Terminus 5,67%
    Swords to Plowshares 5,06%

    Losers:

    none above treshhold

    II. Q 16 -> III. Q 16

    Winners:

    Surgical Extraction 5,75%
    Lightning Bolt 5,02%

    Losers:



    III. Q 16 -> IV. Q 16

    Winners:

    Abrupt Decay 6,78%
    Deathrite Shaman 5,25%

    Losers:

    Volcanic Island -5,24%
    Lightning Bolt -5,99%
    Gitaxian Probe -7,72%

    IV. Q 16 -> I. Q 17

    Winners:

    Ponder 13,54%
    Abrupt Decay 11,93%
    Brainstorm 11,84%
    Force of Will 11,19%
    Deathrite Shaman 10,63%
    Misty Rainforest 10,58%
    Polluted Delta 8,76%
    Underground Sea 7,71%
    Delver of Secrets 7,03%
    Tarmogoyf 6,85%
    Daze 6,55%
    Leovold, Emissary of Trest 6,15%
    Thoughtseize 5,98%
    Verdant Catacombs 5,93%
    Tropical Island 5,75%
    Surgical Extraction 5,53%
    Jace, the Mind Sculptor 5,10%
    Hymn to Tourach 5,06%

    Losers:

    Chalice of the Void -5,37%
    Matter Reshaper -6,32%
    Eye of Ugin -6,46%
    Thorn of Amethyst -6,48%
    Eldrazi Mimic -6,49%
    Endless One -6,61%
    Eldrazi Temple -6,73%
    Thought-Knot Seer -6,75%
    Reality Smasher -6,90%
    Ancient Tomb -7,71%
    Cavern of Souls -8,23%

    so yeah... this is it, lots of things to see there. Sry for the Treshhold, but i had to limit the amount of displayed data somehow. But i think there is a lot of interesting information hidden in there so feel free to discuss

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    Re: Do you enjoy the current state of legacy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Julian23 View Post
    One of the reasons we haven't seen LML Season #2 yet is because WotC was hesitant to support us because Mike and I were observed to be too critical of MTGO.
    Not to be that guy but WoTC pulled their support for VSL in 2015ish after season 3 and decided to sponsor the Community League instead. It seems to me like WoTC would like to build Magic's persona online with some of the more popular personalities out there rather than content for eternal enthusiasts. You guys could always do what the VSL did and set up a Patreon.

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    As far as I know, WotC still supports VSL with god accounts and coverage on twitch.tv/magic.
    The seven cardinal sins of Legacy:
    1. Discuss the unbanning of Land Tax Earthcraft.
    2. Argue that banning Force of Will would make the format healthier.
    3. Play Brainstorm without Fetchlands.
    4. Stifle Standstill.
    5. Think that Gaea's Blessing will make you Solidarity-proof.
    6. Pass priority after playing Infernal Tutor.
    7. Fail to playtest against Nourishing Lich (coZ iT wIlL gEt U!).

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    Re: Do you enjoy the current state of legacy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nielsie View Post
    Legacy players can be so funny. Brainstorm is running rampant for years but now suddenly the biggest culprits in legacy are Eldrazi, Chalice and Abrupt Decay. Seriously?

    I actualy think Legacy is a lot more enjoyable lately thanks to new printings and a complete new blueless delverless deck in Eldrazi. For me, legacy was very stale since the printing of the hideous TNN (which gave blue yet another threat they should not have) untill about the printing of Eldrazi's. The KTK period with Cruise and Dig was the worst period and I even momentarily just stopped playing because that meta realy sucked.

    At the moment I feel like there is a lot of unexplored territory with Vehicles, Revolt and maybe even stuff like the new Expertises that have something like a semi-cascade attached. People are just netdecking too much, I am guilty of it myself, but I think if some smart people would start brewing, new decks would emerge.

    PS: I voted for 'itīs okay'
    Very well said. The format is better than ever, with more viable strategies than ever before. Black, Green and White are at an incredible power level right now and many viable decks and strategies exist that don't play the blue cantrip package. The problem is all the netdeckers that play the same Miracles, Delver, Show and Tell decks over and over again.

    Stores need to encourage creative decks, a seperate prize pool for decks that either don't play blue or aren't found on Mtgtop8 if they do play blue.

    Players need to encourage their local stores to hold such tournaments and stop neckdecking themselves. Or atleast netdeck creative decks like Aluren, Nic Fit, Big Red or Food Chain.

    Wizards need to hurry up and unban Survival and Goblin recruiter so that two new decks can jump into the format.

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    Re: Do you enjoy the current state of legacy?

    feel free to ask for specific cards u want to see together



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    Re: Do you enjoy the current state of legacy?

    All 10 fetchlands would be interesting.

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    Re: Do you enjoy the current state of legacy?

    at least i can see the reprint, but other than that i dont see much there


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