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    WotC, "Masters of Fucking Terrible PR"™:

    https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/bruce...ase-that-wasnt

    Because taking away the prerelease from a bunch of children in a library is going to be received well. This is some Saturday morning cartoon villain shit right there, and I'm not even a friend of such sob stories.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barook View Post
    WotC, "Masters of Fucking Terrible PR"™:

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    Because taking away the prerelease from a bunch of children in a library is going to be received well. This is some Saturday morning cartoon villain shit right there, and I'm not even a friend of such sob stories.
    This is truly dissapointing.
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    Can we all agree that this is great though?

    https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/1365240#online

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    Quote Originally Posted by kinda View Post
    This is truly dissapointing.
    Whoa, lame. This kind of stuff softens the blow of my recent firesale of my Magic collection. I've was saving Magic stuff to teach my kids to play, but instead I've been lately collecting old Decipher Star Wars CCG cards "for them" to play (anyone have cards they don't need?). Plus my kids love Star Wars, so theme ftw.
    The irony here is that a partially non-existent company who lost their license 17 years ago offer almost as much tournament support as WotC for Magic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barook View Post
    WotC, "Masters of Fucking Terrible PR"™:

    https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/bruce...ase-that-wasnt

    Because taking away the prerelease from a bunch of children in a library is going to be received well. This is some Saturday morning cartoon villain shit right there, and I'm not even a friend of such sob stories.
    It's like they're trying to get me to forego buying packs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThomasDowd View Post
    Can we all agree that this is great though?

    https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/1365240#online
    I saw this over the weekend and had to throw it together for some games. :D

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barook View Post
    WotC, "Masters of Fucking Terrible PR"™:

    https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/bruce...ase-that-wasnt

    Because taking away the prerelease from a bunch of children in a library is going to be received well. This is some Saturday morning cartoon villain shit right there, and I'm not even a friend of such sob stories.
    Man, that's bad even for WotC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the Thin White Duke View Post
    I've been lately collecting old Decipher Star Wars CCG cards "for them" to play (anyone have cards they don't need?).
    God damn now theres a great game that I would straight up murder someone to have FFg re-release as an LCG.

    To be fair, the "tournament support" offered on SW:CCG is from the players committee, which is a wholly independent group unaffiliated with Decipher.

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    Quote Originally Posted by morgan_coke View Post
    Man, that's bad even for WotC.
    Especially ironic, given that they used said library thing for good PR years earlier. Links to said articles were even sent to the customer support answer. I'm baffled how you can fuck up that badly, even when it's WotC we're talking about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bithlord View Post
    God damn now theres a great game that I would straight up murder someone to have FFg re-release as an LCG.

    To be fair, the "tournament support" offered on SW:CCG is from the players committee, which is a wholly independent group unaffiliated with Decipher.
    I apologize, you're correct. Which makes it worse because a bunch of volunteers (I don't believe the individuals get paid by Decipher) organize tournaments in the US and Europe and offer prize support.
    Apples to oranges, but we seem to enjoy kicking Wizards when they're down, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by the Thin White Duke View Post
    ... but we seem to enjoy kicking Wizards when they're down, right?
    Mostly, people want WotC to be better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barook View Post
    WotC, "Masters of Fucking Terrible PR"™:

    https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/bruce...ase-that-wasnt

    Because taking away the prerelease from a bunch of children in a library is going to be received well. This is some Saturday morning cartoon villain shit right there, and I'm not even a friend of such sob stories.

    Addendum!

    As a quick update, Wizards reached out to me the same day this article went live. They have offered to send product to make a tournament happen for the children at the library! They have also offered to help facilitate getting together with a new store. One of the difficulties in working with WPN stores is that allotments are based on previous prerelease numbers. If a store were to suddenly offer another prerelease and request 36 more prerelease packs, WPN would give a handful of packs, which would mean that their store would be very limited if I was to get 36. WPN has offered to help with the allotments, so everyone gets all the prerelease packs they need. This will go a long way to setting up the library for the next prerelease!
    So, while WPN is still unwilling to change their guidelines, the children that were affected will not suffer! I’ll be sure to post pictures after the tournament is run!
    Thank fuck, cause this was beyond idiotic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barook View Post
    WotC, "Masters of Fucking Terrible PR"™:

    https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/bruce...ase-that-wasnt

    Because taking away the prerelease from a bunch of children in a library is going to be received well. This is some Saturday morning cartoon villain shit right there, and I'm not even a friend of such sob stories.
    Not keen on playing the part of devils advocate here, but getting WPN status without the requirements in the first place, (or lying about it) is a very questionable thing as well, especially if it was for the sole purpose of making more money by gaining access to limited WotC products like FtV & more. To me, these special products and the extra money store owners can earn, are in a direct relation with the tournament/play space these owners provide and pay rent for.

    This seems to be a store which HAPPENS to sell MTG products among other stuff just like Walmart, Spielemax & Co do, with players having to pick their stuff up and play elsewhere. Should they grant them WPN too?
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    Not keen on playing the part of devils advocate here, but getting WPN status without the requirements in the first place, (or lying about it) is a very questionable thing as well, especially if it was for the sole purpose of making more money by gaining access to limited WotC products like FtV & more. To me, these special products and the extra money store owners can earn, are in a direct relation with the tournament/play space these owners provide and pay rent for.

    This seems to be a store which HAPPENS to sell MTG products among other stuff just like Walmart, Spielemax & Co do, with players having to pick their stuff up and play elsewhere. Should they grant them WPN too?
    The whole WPN status thing is stupid in the first place since WotC's "one fits all" approach just doesn't work in many places outside the US, especially in Europe. Throwing a bone here and there isn't going to make shops going to compete with Amazon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThomasDowd View Post
    Can we all agree that this is great though?

    https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/1365240#online
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    EDIT: Sounds like the issue was resolved. One wonders whether organizers who don't fight that hard and don't take to the Interwebs have any luck with the WPN, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barook View Post
    The whole WPN status thing is stupid in the first place since WotC's "one fits all" approach just doesn't work in many places outside the US, especially in Europe. Throwing a bone here and there isn't going to make shops going to compete with Amazon.
    It depends on if Amazon, Walmart, etc sells FtV for a more reasonable price and higher numbers unlike many shops do. Getting 4 FtV packs at their release without paying a premium because small/local shops wanna cash in? Any day of the week for me.

    These special products and the whole WPN stuff is nothing but a bone WotC throws for shops which offer players space to play. Sort of a way to "pay" them like they do with Judges and their promos. People get special products/printings and sell these for cash.
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    I remember my old LGS kept the valuable FNM Promos and sold them for cash while handing out the low value ones and no price packs. He also sold the Prerelease T-Shirts and Mats.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Humphrey View Post
    I remember my old LGS kept the valuable FNM Promos and sold them for cash while handing out the low value ones and no price packs. He also sold the Prerelease T-Shirts and Mats.
    You can warn WotC directly about that if it ever happens again. They would take actions to stop that.

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    You can warn WotC directly about that if it ever happens again. They would take actions to stop that.
    Part of the problem is that no one wants to report their stores; it's better to play at a bad store than to have no store to play at.
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    Part of the problem is that no one wants to report their stores; it's better to play at a bad store than to have no store to play at.
    Can't a bad store become a good store? :)

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