Predict shits on Loam, this just isn't true anymore.Originally Posted by CutthroatCasual
That's not true, 4c loam is the deck to pick if you want to win most of your game 1s against miracles and in game 2 and 3 you can hope that variance doesn't bite you in the ass and that the miracles player doesn't draw all billion of the answers they have.
Yep, Matchup got a bit more trickier, especially because you never know if they are on mentor/entreat/both
I actually stomp Miracles with Stax thanks to Bridge, Tabernacle and Crucible/Ghost Quarter. The issue is the deck dies to a well timed Decay. Also MUD (Mono Colourless) can beat Miracles, it just can't beat anything else.
It is better to ask and look stupid then keep your mouth shut and remain so.
I hope your afterlife is filled with eternal torment.
Fuck. Which one of my quotes do I drop for this?
And itself, right? :P
I plead the fifth.
It is better to ask and look stupid then keep your mouth shut and remain so.
I hope your afterlife is filled with eternal torment.
Fuck. Which one of my quotes do I drop for this?
And if Loam ever actually got to be a big % of the meta to fight miracles they could easily slot in 2-3 RIP and send Loam back to hell
That, or running a combination of Snapcasters + Surgical, depending on the meta.
The draw of legacy is that it isn't really supposed to have a "best deck," right? Like it's supposed to be crazy diverse?
It's just musical chairs under Miracles. If there were SCG opens every week Miracles would be even more omnipresent. You look at the way players make deck choices, the day 2/top 8/winner conversion rate of the deck at large tournaments, you're basically having to answer the question "Why should I not play Miracles?" if you want to make a serious run at a big tournament.
Part of why Miracles is as strong as it is - people continue to play their pet decks that are terrible against Miracles, because they secretly hope to dodge it.
People don't do that in other formats because they *aren't* as diverse as legacy. You can't show up to a Standard tournament with a deck that has terrible matchups vs Mardu Vehicles and 4c Saheeli and expect to do well. But people continue to show up with linear Delver/Elves type strategies that fold hard to what Miracles is doing, and guess what, Miracles ends up winning a lot. This is a 'stop hitting yourself' situation.
You can't seriously call Delver and Elves "pet decks." One advantage those decks have is that they are well-equipped to fight the kinds of decks that are built to beat Miracles (like czech pile). The problem is that the format is Miracles, decks built to beat Miracles, and decks that only succeed because of the tug-of-war between Miracles and the decks that beat it.
Also, no one who actually wants to win a tournament can hope to dodge Miracles. If they do, they are ignoring mountains of data that find Miracles as the biggest day 2 deck, best top 8 conversion, etc. You will have to play against it at some point.
If your deck has a terrible matchup vs the best deck in the format, it basically is a pet deck. And yeah that includes Elves + all Delver variants that aren't tuned to have a very good Miracles matchup. Nobody forces people to play the card Delver of Secrets.
lol @ every thread ever devolving into Miracles bashing.
and with replies about how it's so skill intense and a "fair" deck with many 50/50 match-ups...
Do you feel like if your deck was playing delver of secrets and accompanying cards you would have beaten the big red player for your top 8 win and in?
Unlike Delver decks, DnT doesn't autolose to Chalice on 1 or Blood Moon, so...no?
It's a great matchup (even more so for Mono-W and if you're playing Containment Priests.) He hit his sideboard cards and I was mana screwed / had to scry my Path to Exile to the bottom for my 6 w/ one land. If I had another land in my hand I would have kept it and g3 would have been close, even vs t2 Godo on the play and a Sulfur Elemental.
They're very soft to mana denial since they're trying to resolve something huge. And unlike most legacy decks DnT isn't just dead to one of their creatures hitting the battlefield because of STP/Karakas/Fwisp etc. Yes they can have unbeatable draws like most fast combo, but most of what they're doing is something DnT can actually interact with. Honestly, I would take it over most matchups.
RIP actually doesn't hurt Loam that much. It's less reliant on Landcestral Recall than RG Lands is.
The purpose of any moat is to impede attack. Some are filled with water, some with thistles. Some are filled with things best left unseen.
That's not true at all. It's probably less reliant than it used to be, but it neuters Knights, Loam Engine (your card advantage), and PFire. At that point your deck is very bad and at least RG lands at least has crop rotation to find DD combo and they play the full set of DD combo pieces whereas with Loam you generally don't play that many.
My report from the classic: http://www.theepicstorm.com/scg-worcester-0407-092017/
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