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    Re: The new Legacy metagame

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    Just as the first very, very tiny bit of data, the three 5-0 decks in today's MTGO Competitive Legacy Constructed League were Aggro Loam, Sneak & Show, and a BUG thing with Delver, Jace, Snapcaster, Hymn, etc.
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    Top is still legal right now.
    No it's not.

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    Re: The new Legacy metagame

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    Top is still legal right now.
    Oh, weird, I don't use MTGO. WotC's banned list announcement said that the MTGO effective date was 4/24. Thanks for the heads up though.

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    Re: The new Legacy metagame

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    I stand corrected. I am use to the announcement taking effect on the Friday. This is new to me.
    It is better to ask and look stupid then keep your mouth shut and remain so.
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    Re: The new Legacy metagame

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    Just as the first very, very tiny bit of data, the three 5-0 decks in today's MTGO Competitive Legacy Constructed League were Aggro Loam, Sneak & Show, and a BUG thing with Delver, Jace, Snapcaster, Hymn, etc.
    I'm no expert on the Legacy metagame, I mainly stick to Nic Fit or Burn and just tune them... but I'm expecting a UW deck to rise up. Pretty much everyone thinks Chalice is going to turn into the formats policeman, and Chalice+Prelate is super hateful, maybe Esper to include Toxic Deluge (probably the best option without a reliable Terminus) and DRS to Prelate on T2.

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    I have played around with Infect a little (not competitive play). I only played the Miracles match once (inexperienced Miracles pilot), but I've played many long and interactive games against good Miracles pilots with other decks.
    I've watched the Miracles vs Infect match a couple times too.

    Ross's sentiment is supported by my comprehension of the decks. My knowledge of those decks is limited, but I would not simply "parrot" an opinion if I didn't make sense to me.
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    - I've watched the match.
    - I've tested it once.
    - I've saw reddit win-rate data that was being collected a couple years ago
    - I heard statement from the top Infect player

    Maybe I was wrong, but I wasn't mindlessly regurgitating whatever I happened to hear (aka, "parroting".

    Also I have had tournament matches vs Miracles with Enchantress and Dredge as well various Lands configurations.
    Okay okay okay, to get this straight...

    ...it's an autoloss because:
    Tom Ross, a heck of a Magic player and master of Infect, played against mostly less experienced players (unless he, for some reason, only plays other exceptional players at tournaments) and says he didn't lose to them more than once (quotation needed).
    You tested the matchup once.
    Reddit-data from "a couple years ago" (source please)
    You watched some matches
    You playing against Miracles with other decks

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    I'm assuming the next big legacy event that gets lots of air time would be MTGfirst's quest for power9 June 4th. Kory runs a bad ass stream @Snapcasters. And being it's Maryland/DC area with lots of great players. I'd hope that it will give us a good insight to were meta will shift too.

    I also think Burn will earn a solid place in the tier 1 group. I had a solid belief the only reason why it wasn't tier one beforehand was the dogma it held. And most players that play burn probably don't have 2 round byes. 2 round byes helps so much getting pass the BS decks burn has problems with outside of combo. Like mud. Or other tier 2-3 decks you may face with out byes.

    Also combo decks aren't as bad as everyone thinks for burn. If storm or Sneak and show don't go off by turn 2 your odds of winning is actually in your favor. And the match ups get better after SB. And the elves match up is probably the most fun and technical match up ever that's also fairly even.

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    This Sunday is MKM Frankfurt, a (probably) several hundred player tournament. I will be there live, to jump into the "what do we do now?" metagame. ^^

    The problem with Burn is a lower skill cap in my opinion. You can only get so far with the deck, as it doesn't provide that many interactions and sequences.

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    Reddit-data from "a couple years ago" (source please)
    Maybe you weren't around the community at the time, but early summer 2015 there were some threads on Reddit gathering match specific data from major events and recording match specific win-rates.

    You are free to look this up. I could do the digging (there are links in the banned list thread if you go back far enough), but I'm not sure what I'm trying to prove to you at this point. You've offered nothing substantial to support your position, other than claiming "personal experience", and you're kind of trolling me now.
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    Re: The new Legacy metagame

    This has to be the post with the most irony in it since the history of the Internet.

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    Re: The new Legacy metagame

    The ten 5-0 decks in today's MTGO Competitive Legacy Constructed League:

    ANT X3 (1 w/ Burning Wish)
    Grixis Tempo X2
    Spanish Inquisition (Skullwinder tech)
    Mono-Red Sneak Attack
    BGu Dark Depths
    BURG Guided Passage
    Sneak & Show

    RonPaulPilotingStormIt'sHappening.gif

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    threads on Reddit gathering match specific data from major events and recording match specific win-rates
    https://www.reddit.com/r/MTGLegacy/c...es_12415_8215/

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    Re: The new Legacy metagame

    Quote Originally Posted by Scott View Post
    Just as the first very, very tiny bit of data, the three 5-0 decks in today's MTGO Competitive Legacy Constructed League were Aggro Loam, Sneak & Show, and a BUG thing with Delver, Jace, Snapcaster, Hymn, etc.
    I was told there would be Maverick. I was told there would be Zoo!
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    Re: The new Legacy metagame

    Quote Originally Posted by Scott View Post
    The ten 5-0 decks in today's MTGO Competitive Legacy Constructed League:

    ANT X3 (1 w/ Burning Wish)
    Grixis Tempo X2
    Spanish Inquisition (Skullwinder tech)
    Mono-Red Sneak Attack
    BGu Dark Depths
    BURG Guided Passage
    Sneak & Show

    RonPaulPilotingStormIt'sHappening.gif
    fuck me that's a lot of combo

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    Best part about combo? It can always be hated out
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    Re: The new Legacy metagame

    Quote Originally Posted by bruizar View Post
    fuck me that's a lot of combo
    Time to break out Stax.
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    Re: The new Legacy metagame

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    BURG Guided Passage
    . . . Love that guided passage is being played!

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    Re: The new Legacy metagame

    Quote Originally Posted by Megadeus View Post
    Best part about combo? It can always be hated out
    I'll wait for a bit to see how the metagame shakes out, but if Storm/S&T gains significant metashare, I'll probably sleeve up White Eldrazi again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bruizar View Post
    fuck me that's a lot of combo
    It sounds to me like people forgot that the cornerstone of the format is Discard+Counterspells. Your deck must have one or the other, or preferably both in order to be competitive... plus some removal.

    If you don't run interaction, combo will beat you.

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    Re: The new Legacy metagame

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    . . . Love that guided passage is being played!
    You know Enric is back when people start talking about Guided Passage. I don't even need to check.

    All the oldschoolers coming back to Legacy now that Miracles it's gone, it's amazing.
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