"You either die a Onesto-Player, or live long enough to see yourself become a Dredger"
I mean, it's probably because I've finally been playing long enough to see 3 drops that other people thought were power creeping older stuff (KOTR to the old Terravore) out of the format now creeping things I enjoy out, but I think at least in the case of Goyf it can be said that the raw efficiency of the card invalidates most other two drops, and in his case I feel like it even makes many 3 and 4 mana creatures unplayable
If you are looking for raw power at the moment we are stuck with Delver/Tarmo/Angler, maybe in the future even those guys wont make the cut.
But in the format there are still a lot of decks that are not looking for raw power, and there are plenty of 2 drops played over tarmogoyf, tarmo is an auto include basicly only in delver decks and BUG shells, because both those decks need a good enought punchline and BUG dont really have one (in fact you can see tarmo going away from some BUG midrange decks because you can just play the nemesis game, and leovold is good enought to fill as the other half of the punchline), most green decks that are not bug don't even bother with a vanilla 2 drop.
And for the same exact reason one could argue that plowshares is basicly going to make every single white spot removal spell not relevent for the rest of MTG, the same is true for most of the currently played cards in legacy, most of them were design mistakes in the first place, we are not getting something better than glimpse and order for example, and is not like those cards are not pushing the format in a direction in a way, order used to be played in most fair decks because it was a brainless autowin because nothing could hold a proggy back, then terminus happened, but now that top is banned i can easily see order being the top 4 drop green will ever have again.
And it's also unfair to say that kotr is dead, it is at least played in a tier1/1.5 which keeps doing fairly good, and it's not like kotr is bad or anything, the main reason why we dont see as much of it is because if you want to play GW you had to play aggro loam during those years, kotr was fine and it is a strong play for maverik as much as it is for aggro loam, but the rest of the deck couldn't keep it up with the format, yet again there is a chance that new GW based decks will rise thanks to the banning.
I don't dislike power creep when a card, supposed to do x, is outclassed because another card just does x much better, the real bs is when a card is so good at doing y that trying to do x just becomes idiotic, pretty much what terminus did to creature based decks.
Last edited by Noctalor; 05-01-2017 at 11:06 AM.
"You either die a Onesto-Player, or live long enough to see yourself become a Dredger"
I'll never forget the day they printed Show and Tell. Made me quit Legacy for 2+ years. Only now does it feel like a stable format again.
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Fetches, although I do like them and think they add something to the format, would be interesting to see the development of legacy without them. Is DRS still a card, is brainstorm still good, how do you make a 3/4 color
manabase, etc.
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Dream halls was played a bit too
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Leovold is a good design in the absolute wrong colors. As a BW card we might be talking about 1-2 other decks added to Legacy as it would've allowed another axis to fight the cantrip-consistency engine other than just Chalice. The inexcusable part is that they KNEW this card would only ever be legal for serious constructed in Legacy, Vintage, and EDH. Well, it's already banned in EDH and while I don't think its quite bannable in Legacy and Vintage, it appearing in different colors would have lent some variety to the metagame rather than just slotting into the pretty stock BUG deck. It's been long enough since Chains and Rayne, Academy Chancellor that shifting those abilities to other colors would have been more interesting.
While there are good arguments for/against TNN, Goyf, Delver, and DRS, I'd like to add the Eldrazi to all of those. Almost all of them are shit for gameplay from Emrakul down to Eldrazi Mimic.
The right answer is probably fetchlands as they break pretty much everything and render the mana system almost meaningless.
Kind of. It was called Type 1.5 at the time. Up until the separation of the lists, everything restricted in Vintage (then Type 1) was banned in what is now known as Legacy. Show and Tell was garbage until probably around 9-10 years ago.
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If I wanted to make the format more interactive, I would ban the following:
1. Every Eldrazi besides Displacer
2. Show and Tell
3. Griselbrand
4. True-Name Nemesis
There are no reason for those cards to exist. Everything else that contributes to occasionally miserable experiences (e.g. Blood Moon, Chalice of the Void) at least punish greedy deckbuilding.
I haven't played Legacy for a while but during my stint of playing competitively two cards that drew a lot of my annoyance were:
Delver of Secrets and True Name Nemesis.
Why did Blue have access to the best evasive threat and early flying threat? But I never liked the idea of blue fair decks in general. I'm sure if I was still playing more I'd hate Leovold too.
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