Mono-Black GriselStorm Reanimator

[Zooligan]

I recently saw this mentioned on MTGGoldfish's "This Week in Legacy" series. It's Nakano Akinori's top 16 deck (of 298) from the 6/4/2017 Hareruya Legacy Challenge.

Is this the new Reanimator/Tinfins hybrid hotness? Can it be optimized if it's not already?

Thoughts? Feelings? Ideas?

Go!

Creatures
1 Grave Titan
4 Griselbrand
2 Magus of the Will

Spells
4 Infernal Tutor
1 Tendrils of Agony
4 Entomb
2 Exhume
2 Corpse Dance
4 Shallow Grave
3 Collective Brutality
3 Thoughtseize
3 Unmask
4 Dark Ritual
4 Lion's Eye Diamond
4 Lotus Petal

Land
15 Swamp

Sideboard
2 Lake of the Dead
2 Swamp
3 Grave Titan
2 Surgical Extraction
2 Toxic Deluge
4 Grim Monolith

[SecondSunrise]

Just saw the list, seems like a blast to play. Having this many reanimation spells that do not target should be pretty nice DRS protection; all the LED shenanigans seem great as well.

I don't want to randomly suggest stuff without having played the deck at all; the important question to me would be whether this version of the deck has any substantial improvements setting it apart from classical Tin Fins or even RB Reanimator.

[Doishy]

Just saw the list, seems like a blast to play. Having this many reanimation spells that do not target should be pretty nice DRS protection; all the LED shenanigans seem great as well.

I don't want to randomly suggest stuff without having played the deck at all; the important question to me would be whether this version of the deck has any substantial improvements setting it apart from classical Tin Fins or even RB Reanimator.

I would guess a much more robust manabase and really strong redundancy. You also offer yourself a lot more protection with so much discard. This is almost a B equivalent of the Big Red decks and so SB wise I wonder whether you could just jam more lock pieces down. The main issue I foresee if relying on the GY aspect (hence the SB inclusion of more mana to slam down fatties) is the inability with mono B to deal with enchantments such as RiP.

Otherwise I really love the concept :)

(PS: Needs more Doomsday in it!)

[Zooligan]

Just saw the list, seems like a blast to play. Having this many reanimation spells that do not target should be pretty nice DRS protection; all the LED shenanigans seem great as well.

I don't want to randomly suggest stuff without having played the deck at all; the important question to me would be whether this version of the deck has any substantial improvements setting it apart from classical Tin Fins or even RB Reanimator.

Yeah, I'm kind of curious about that myself. All basics get around Blood Moon/Wasteland/Price of Progress impacts. Of course there is the instant speed thing. No CoK seems like it could be a huge minus, but having Infernal Tutor and LED seems like it could make for some really interesting and useful lines. I would love to set it up, but some of the cards I don't have online are the most expensive (IT, LED, Extraction, Monolith). 16th out of 300 makes it seem pretty good, but it could be variance carrying the day.

[pettdan]

I didn't look very deeply into this list but it seems very similar to Burning Reanimator (http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/s...ing-Reanimator) with Infernal Tutor replacing Burning Wish and Magus of the Will replacing Unburial Rites.

[Claymore]

The bad interaction I see is that you can't Entomb anything else after you activate Magus for a turn. Not sure how relevant that is, but locks out a few powerful lines of play.

[.Ix]

Just saw the list, seems like a blast to play. Having this many reanimation spells that do not target should be pretty nice DRS protection; all the LED shenanigans seem great as well.

I don't want to randomly suggest stuff without having played the deck at all; the important question to me would be whether this version of the deck has any substantial improvements setting it apart from classical Tin Fins or even RB Reanimator.

I've been goldfishing it for a few hours and I'm impressed. It basically wins on the spot as soon as Griselbrand hits. Unlike Tinfins, it doesn't have to cantrip turn after turn - so it's faster. It just goes off and wins off redundancy. It's very promising.

[Von]

I dont see how this deck is superior to Tin Fins. Having cantrips is a bonus not a downside as you can sculpt your hand where as in this deck you're seeing maybe your starting hand and 2 more cards and going off from there. Tin Fins wins/goes infinite when Griselbrand hits as well. I do enjoy the magus tech however.

[.Ix]

It's the same reason BR Reanimator is superior to Tinfins. It's faster.

[Zooligan]

I've been goldfishing it for a few hours and I'm impressed. It basically wins on the spot as soon as Griselbrand hits. Unlike Tinfins, it doesn't have to cantrip turn after turn - so it's faster. It just goes off and wins off redundancy. It's very promising.

What are your thoughts on the sideboard contents?

[.Ix]

Have not tried it yet. I've never played a real game with the deck, but goldfishing is so much fun! It feels like Vintage Long.dec with 4 Burning Wish and 4 LED.

[AmokPL]

reminds of Mono Black Worldgorger Dragon I saw a while ago.

I can't get much of some of the sideboard choices. Normally if you play Monolith you should play sol lands to make the most of it and those 2 extra Swamps?

Seems cool to play though.

Should be playing some Nevinyrral's Disks in SB or something to deal with Rip of Lotv.

[Zooligan]

(PS: Needs more Doomsday in it!)

Just curious, what would a Doomsday SB look like? What kinds of piles would you make with a mono-black deck?

[mistercakes]

Problem with doomsday is that you would need to pass the turn if you don't have a card draw. If that's the case then you'll likely need a shelldock emrakul setup.

I like the Grave titan lake of the dead package.

[Doishy]

Just curious, what would a Doomsday SB look like? What kinds of piles would you make with a mono-black deck?

Contract - Emrakul - Shallow Grave - LED - Ritual?

Go off for BBB B? (Hope a swing for 15 ann6 does it?)

Use it as a suicide black tutor for things.

If start storming off, grab the perfect finish storm pile from a draw 4 and BBB.

Various situational things. :) No one direct "win" line but a lot of potential for advantages.

Or just add in +1 Salvagers, +1 Walking Ballista (The latter is legit though, early ritual into Ballista....).
Either use Petal, LED mana or reanimate Salvagers using LED as the discard outlook then Bomberman them.

Or throw in Painter-stone combo.

BBBB gives you the kill:
IC - Painter - GS - LED - Ritual

Or if you have either piece in hand it means you can build a smoother pile or pile with discard protection. :)

Just a bit of fun really.

[Zooligan]

Ack! My knowledge of the Doomsday game is severely lacking...

[Doishy]

Ack! My knowledge of the Doomsday game is severely lacking...

It's not the easiest game to play. It just requires the breaking down of resources available into a condensed series of choices. "What is needed - Card draw, Mana, Storm Count, Life Total, Wincons" vs "What is missing - Put in Pile" and hope that you have grasped all the factors.

I like messing around with non-standardised DD scenarios as they really make you think but as I said, my suggestion may not have been 100% serious :). Fun fun fun.

[.Ix]

Why would this deck need Doomsday?

[Doishy]

Why would this deck need Doomsday?

It wouldn't. As I said, my suggestion was more a bit of fun than serious :P

[Jblinder]

This deck seems really sweet. I am especially intrigued with the sb plan with grim monolith.

The only change I'm nearly 100% certain is correct is that there should be exactly one unburial rites (probably 4 fetches and a scrubland) in this deck. This turns hands with led + griselbrand + entomb or led + entomb + entomb but no reanimation spells from speculative to awesome (entomb for unburial rites).

There are a lot of similarities between this and the "dark Fins" deck I built and have been playing online as clone103.

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/669093#paper

Unburial rites is an all-star there and it would be here as well. It tends not to be the best natural draw (unless combined with led and griselbrand), but it is a very frequent entomb target either early or for value later turning entomb into a threat when griselbrand is already in the gy. Not sure what the cut would be before playing the deck, but I intend to try this brew out. Maybe I'll start by shaving the second magus of the will. He seems best as a singleton entomb target, and if you draw him naturally while going off you still have many ways to discard him to allow shallow grave.