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    Spell Swindle
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    It's an improved Mana Drain effect for more than twice the price. I don't really see it doing anything in Legacy, but is a non-free 5cmc counterspell playable anywhere, even when it's effect is that good?

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    EDH. Its going to do work in EDH. That effect reads: counter your big fatty, on my turn cast my Tooth and Nail.
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    DFCs are back. Did we already know that?


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    Starting with this set, all planeswalkers past, present, and future will have the supertype legendary. They will also be subject to the "legend rule." The "planeswalker uniqueness rule" is going away. What does this mean? In short, everything that's true about legendary creatures will now be true about legendary planeswalkers.

    Under the new rules, if a player controls more than one legendary planeswalker with the same name, that player chooses one and puts the other into their owner's graveyard. This means that if you control Jace, Unraveler of Secrets and cast Jace, Cunning Castaway, both Jaces can exist under your control.


    Official rules change. Liliana.dec and Jace.dec and Gideon.dec now? No longer constrained by worrying about dead Jace Beleren if you're playing Jace, TMS.

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    Sorry if something posted this already but it looks like they spoiled all the rares in this set today.
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    I think this helps Jace. 4 mana Jace and Flip Jace are sometimes found together. In Modern this will help Lili more. In all this likely is better for new players but feels like a flavour fail. But hell, you can already have two copies of the same (Woman) Thalia on the table so flavor be dammed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BenBleiweiss View Post
    Starting with this set, all planeswalkers past, present, and future will have the supertype legendary. They will also be subject to the "legend rule." The "planeswalker uniqueness rule" is going away. What does this mean? In short, everything that's true about legendary creatures will now be true about legendary planeswalkers.

    Under the new rules, if a player controls more than one legendary planeswalker with the same name, that player chooses one and puts the other into their owner's graveyard. This means that if you control Jace, Unraveler of Secrets and cast Jace, Cunning Castaway, both Jaces can exist under your control.


    Official rules change. Liliana.dec and Jace.dec and Gideon.dec now? No longer constrained by worrying about dead Jace Beleren if you're playing Jace, TMS.
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    Holy WOW is that a huge buff to 8 Gideon.dec Might also be seeing 8 Lilian.dec in Modern.

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    It is better to ask and look stupid then keep your mouth shut and remain so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dice_Box View Post
    I think this helps Jace. 4 mana Jace and Flip Jace are sometimes found together. In Modern this will help Lili more. In all this likely is better for new players but feels like a flavour fail. But hell, you can already have two copies of the same Thalia on the table so flavor be dammed.
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    The PW rule change is also marginally relevant for Legacy Pox where before you might have wanted to play more planeswalker threats but you couldn't consider any of the other Lilianas.

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    So the most relevant PW combos:

    Gideon of the Trials + Gideon, Ally of Zendikar (Now you have even more ways to not lose, seems likely there's some kind of deck there)

    Liliana of the Veil + Liliana, the Last Hope (both castable off of Dark Ritual. Welcome to Tier 2.5 Pox!)

    Jace, Vryn's Prodigy + Jace, the Mind Sculptor (or Architect of Thought/Beleren if you're in Modern) [all the Jace's, all the time]

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    Nissa, Voice of Zendikar + Nissa, Vital Force

    Chandra, Torch of Defiance + well, they'll print another good Chandra eventually, right?

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    Theres an official announcement from Eli Shiffrin on twitter that Hostage Taker is being erratad to be unable to target itself.

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    Remember when Chandra, Pyromaster was the good Chandra?

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    Quote Originally Posted by morgan_coke View Post
    Spell Swindle
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    It's an improved Mana Drain effect for more than twice the price. I don't really see it doing anything in Legacy, but is a non-free 5cmc counterspell playable anywhere, even when it's effect is that good?
    This will see play in EDCH, eith afinitty, sack Artifact, decks with hellkite tyrant and so. And maybe even in standard, with e*Hellkite Tyrant*and*Kuldotha Forgemaster, Afinity and even in standard with*Torrential Gearhulk, Improvise, or even with*Mechanized Production or the new Revel in Riches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kombatkiwi View Post
    Theres an official announcement from Eli Shiffrin on twitter that Hostage Taker is being erratad to be unable to target itself.
    Good to know. Thanks for that for those of us who do not use Twitter.
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    Theres an official announcement from Eli Shiffrin on twitter that Hostage Taker is being erratad to be unable to target itself.
    That has got to be the MOST WotC thing ever.

    EDIT: I mean, from the leak, to players instantly realizing the card doesn't work as printed, to the announcement of it's insta-errata only being made on twitter. WotC has apparently not managed to solve its Garbage In, Garbage Out problems yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kombatkiwi View Post
    The PW rule change is also marginally relevant for Legacy Pox where before you might have wanted to play more planeswalker threats but you couldn't consider any of the other Lilianas.
    They better not bullshit me and cancel my order for Last Hopes. (Calm down, I only ordered 3 for my personal use.)
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    They better not bullshit me and cancel my order for Last Hopes. (Calm down, I only ordered 3 for my personal use.)
    For a second I thought you were talking about Dash Hopes and I was about to freak out because someone finally found a way to make that card good
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    Quote Originally Posted by TsumiBand View Post
    For a second I thought you were talking about Dash Hopes and I was about to freak out because someone finally found a way to make that card good
    (Bad) Tech versus Death's Shadow decks?
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