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    R/u/x Blue Sligh

    My current list, as of 3/26/2017

    R/u Sligh

    Lands (18)
    4 Scalding Tarn
    2 Wooded Foothills
    2 Bloodstained Mire
    2 Arid Mesa
    4 Volcanic Island
    2 Mountain
    2 Barbarian Ring

    Creatures (14)
    4 Delver of Secrets
    4 Monastery Swiftspear
    4 Goblin Guide
    2 Grim Lavamancer

    Spells (28)
    4 Brainstorm
    4 Daze
    4 Lightning Bolt
    4 Chain Lightning
    4 Rift Bolt
    3 Forked Bolt
    2 Price of Progress
    2 Fireblast
    1 Thunderous Wrath

    Sideboard (15)
    4 Smash to Smithereens
    4 Force of Will
    3 Spell Pierce
    2 Seal of Removal
    2 Pithing Needle

    Old list from 3/26/2012:

    R/U/w Blue Sligh
    Quickdraw, the Six Shooter

    // Lands (18)
    4 [ZEN] Scalding Tarn
    4 [ZEN] Arid Mesa
    2 [ON] Wooded Foothills
    2 [ON] Flooded Strand
    3 [U] Volcanic Island
    1 [U] Plateau
    1 [U] Tundra
    1 [UNH] Mountain

    // Creatures (16)
    4 [ZEN] Goblin Guide
    2 [TO] Grim Lavamancer
    2 [M12] Phantasmal Bear
    4 [ISD] Delver of Secrets/Insectile Aberration
    4 [ZEN] Steppe Lynx

    // Spells (26)
    4 [NE] Daze
    4 [IA] Brainstorm
    3 [FD] Magma Jet
    4 [R] Lightning Bolt
    4 [LG] Chain Lightning
    4 [TSP] Rift Bolt
    3 [VI] Fireblast

    // Sideboard (15)
    SB: 4 [ZEN] Spell Pierce
    SB: 2 [EX] Price of Progress
    SB: 2 [SC] Sulfuric Vortex
    SB: 2 [GP] Shattering Spree
    SB: 2 [TE] Disenchant
    SB: 3 [TSB] Tormod's Crypt

    Original Post:

    Intro

    I know there's a million and one U/R/x threads all over The Source, with all sorts of variations. I mean, you've got one for Snapcaster Control, one for U/R Delver (pretty generic), one for Blue Zoo... the list goes on. I felt that there wasn't a thread specifically dedicated to this approach for the deck, so I decided to make a thread.

    For me personally, this idea started in the Blue Zoo thread after the spoiling of Mental Misstep. At that time, I was trying to make a 4c Blue Zoo deck work. It had some strong matchups, but fell flat on its face against decks like The Rock, Maverick, and Big Zoo. The problem was, I was too much of an aggro/control deck, and not enough of a Zoo deck. Force of Will does not belong in that deck, at least maindeck, period.

    So why split this up from Blue Zoo? Well, there's always been a fundamental difference between Sligh and Zoo. Zoo tends to play a much larger creature density, with burn being used primarily as removal. In fact, most traditional Zoo lists only run 7 burn spells (and 3-4 Path to Exile). Sligh, on the other hand, has a much smaller creature density, and a much larger burn density. Fundamentally, Sligh is a deck that wants to drop creatures on turns 1-3 and swing as aggressively as possible, and then switch over to being a burn deck, pointing all of the rest of the burn it has or draws at the opponent's face to end the game as fast as possible.

    Why split this up from U/R Delver? Well, while there are some lists in that thread that are very close to this idea, there are also alot of lists that are drastically different. This deck is not an aggro/control deck. Snapcaster Mage, Vendilion Clique, Stifle, Spell Snare, Spell Pierce, and Force of Will do not belong in the maindeck. This deck is primarily red based as opposed to primarily blue based.

    Here is the core, that all Blue Sligh lists should contain:

    4 Goblin Guide
    4 Delver of Secrets
    4 Brainstorm
    4 Lightning Bolt
    4 Chain Lightning

    Some may question the inclusion and validity of Brainstorm as a core card, citing examples of it being bad for tempo or some such nonsense. Let's get the facts straight; Brainstorm accelerates the tempo far more than it loses it, by going through 3 draw steps worth of cards, flitering out the chaff. You don't play Brainstorm on turn 1, unless you absolutely have to. You don't play Brainstorm on turn 2 unless you have a Delver, or you absolutely have to. Brainstorm is meant to be utilized once you've run out of spells to curve out with; Brainstorm is meant to dig 3 deep to set up the kill and get rid of excess lands and unecessary creatures. Ever play Burn? Ever been in a position where you're 1 burn spell away from killing the opponent, only to topdeck 2 lands and a Grim Lavamancer, and die before you can activate him? Say hello to Brainstorm.

    Past the rest of the core cards, which I should hope need no explanation, there is a fairly sizable list of other playable spells. Also, as the title suggests, a splash is very feasible, and likely better than straight R/u.

    I'll be more than happy to update this list as more suggestions are given. For now, I'll just list the remaining cards that I am running, along with a few other valuable options:

    Grim Lavamancer
    Phantasmal Bear
    Wild Nacatl
    Steppe Lynx
    Kird Ape
    Kiln Fiend
    Tarmogoyf
    Daze
    Ponder
    Magma Jet
    Fire/Ice
    Rift Bolt
    Fireblast
    Searing Blaze
    Forked Bolt
    Price of Progress
    Tribal Flames
    Lightning Helix
    Cursed Scroll

    Anyway, let me start off with my current list to get things started:

    R/u/w Blue Sligh

    // Lands (18)
    4 [ZEN] Scalding Tarn
    4 [ZEN] Arid Mesa
    2 [ON] Wooded Foothills
    2 [ON] Flooded Strand
    3 [U] Volcanic Island
    1 [U] Plateau
    1 [U] Tundra
    1 [UNH] Mountain

    // Creatures (15)
    4 [ZEN] Goblin Guide
    3 [TO] Grim Lavamancer
    4 [ISD] Delver of Secrets/Insectile Aberration
    4 [ZEN] Steppe Lynx

    // Spells (27)
    4 [NE] Daze
    4 [IA] Brainstorm
    4 [FD] Magma Jet
    4 [R] Lightning Bolt
    4 [LG] Chain Lightning
    4 [TSP] Rift Bolt
    3 [VI] Fireblast

    // Sideboard (15)
    SB: 4 [ZEN] Spell Pierce
    SB: 3 [EX] Price of Progress
    SB: 2 [4E] Red Elemental Blast
    SB: 2 [GP] Shattering Spree
    SB: 2 [TE] Disenchant
    SB: 2 [NE] Submerge

    Explanation:

    This deck is pure aggression. Everything in the deck is designed to maximize early game damage output. Delver changed the dynamics of aggressive decks in the format. On all accounts, this is simply a Sligh deck with the most aggressive 1 drops in the format.

    For my particular build, I've decided that the white splash offered me the most bang for my buck. The heavy fetchland manabase synergizes well with Grim Lavamancer, and obviously for Steppe Lynx. For this deck, Steppe Lynx is a Tarmogoyf for 1 mana. The deck cares little about its creatures past turn 4; Lynx being a dead draw in the midgame isn't very relevant. Swinging as a 4/5 on turns 2 and 3 is about as nut high as it gets. This deck is about as best a shell as any deck is going to be for Steppe Lynx in the format, and I'm even running Daze to enable it as a Loam Lion should that be necessary.

    Grim Lavamancer is somewhat conflicting with the general aggressive nature of the deck, since it's a bit slow and a bit inefficient at doing damage (for the cost). However, it's still a body to increase my potential "Zoo-rush" during the early game (overloading the opponent's removal with 1 drops), it's in my primary color, and it gives the deck lasting strength should it need the extra reach in the midgame. The fact that 2 targetable damage is so relevant in the metagame right now, makes it worth the space.

    Daze is such a powerful card for this deck. This deck functions off of 1 mana, and never needs more than 3 lands in play. Daze is a free Counterspell on turns 1-2 almost always, and is still very effective on turns 3-4. Turns 1-4 are the most important turns of the game for this deck, so Daze does exactly what this deck wants it to do. Being set back a land drop is irrelevant, and in fact, can actually be a good thing for prolonging Steppe Lynx's damage capabilities. The fact is, Daze is an extremely aggressive card. The ability to drop a guy on turn 1 and protect him maximizes the decks damage output. If Daze counters a turn 1 Swords to Plowshares on Steppe Lynx, who turns around and puts out 8 damage, Daze effectively becomes worth 8 damage for 0 mana.

    Magma Jet is a great card in this deck. I've heard the argument before of Ponder being better, since Ponder can essentially be 3 damage for 2 mana (digging into a Bolt). The thing is, this deck only runs 19 burn spells (if you don't count Guide or Lavamancer), which is roughly 1/3 of the deck. If the Jets were replaced with Ponder's, the deck would drop down to 15 burn spells, or 1/4 of the deck. At 1/4, Ponder is not guaranteed to draw into a burn spell. Magma Jet is always 2 damage for 2 mana; the increased burn density is a beautiful thing. As I mentioned earlier, 2 targetable damage is extremely relevant in the format right now, making Magma Jet a fantastic burn spell.

    Rift Bolt is another 1cc 3 damage burn spell that dodges Daze, Spell Snare, and Counterbalance. It also targets creatures. Shouldn't need any additional explanation.

    Fireblast is this decks finisher, able to speed up the goldfish by an entire turn in many cases. It also has great synergy with Price of Progress out of the sideboard, tapping and sac'ing nonbasic red sources for Fireblast prior to casting Price of Progress, resulting in decreased self-inflicted damage. I run 3 copies because I definitely want to see one, and I run enough manipulation with 4 Brainstorm and 4 Magma Jet to avoid drawing multiple copies. Even in the event of drawing two, sometimes the deck (and gamestate) will get to 4 red sources, making the second copy castable.

    As with all sideboards, they are changeable and adaptable to the metagame. For right now, I'm packing Spell Pierce to address combo, Price of Progress and Red Elemental Blast to address control (REB can also address combo), Shattering Spree and Disenchant to answer problematic artifacts/enchantments (though Smash to Smithereens is a great replacement for Spree if you're not expecting Chalice), and Submerge for anything with Forests and aggro.

    Thanks for reading.
    Last edited by Hanni; 03-27-2017 at 10:11 PM.
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    Re: R/u/x Blue Sligh

    Reserved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MMogg View Post
    In porn terms, Zoo has a 11" shlong and an impressive money shot, but it's over in 4 minutes, whereas Landstill is a good 8" and can go for 30 minutes.

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    Re: R/u/x Blue Sligh

    Oh, and for those who are curious about the Stoneblade matchup, I've been tearing it up left and right on MWS. Here's a good tidbit from a game I just played.

    <New Game: waiting for opponent>
    Hanni shuffles library
    <Hanni> i r srs cat, this r srs deck
    Hanni draws 0 cards
    t shuffles library
    <t> I am ready.
    t draws 0 cards
    <-------- New Game Started -------->
    Hanni's Security Code: C2D4DF48 [Type 1.5]
    t's Security Code: 5E5559E5 [Type 1.5]
    It is now turn 1 (Hanni)
    It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
    <Hanni> hi
    <t> hi
    t shuffles library
    Hanni rolled a 6, using a 20 sided die
    t shuffles library
    t rolled a 3, using a 20 sided die
    t draws 7 cards
    Hanni draws 7 cards
    <t> kp
    <Hanni> kp
    It is now the Precombat Main Phase
    Hanni plays Tundra from Hand
    Hanni taps Tundra
    Hanni plays Steppe Lynx from Hand
    <Hanni> Ok?
    <Hanni> End my turn
    It is now turn 2 (t)
    It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
    It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
    t draws a card
    It is now the Precombat Main Phase
    t plays Scalding Tarn from Hand
    t taps Scalding Tarn
    t puts Scalding Tarn to Graveyard from Play
    t's life total is now 19 (-1)
    t is looking its Library...
    t puts Volcanic Island into play from Library
    t shuffles library
    t stops looking its Library...
    t taps Volcanic Island
    t plays Lightning Bolt from Hand
    Hanni puts Steppe Lynx to Graveyard from Play

    t puts Lightning Bolt to Graveyard from Play
    <t> End my turn
    It is now turn 3 (Hanni)
    It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
    It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
    Hanni untaps his/her permanents
    It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
    Hanni draws a card
    It is now the Precombat Main Phase
    Hanni plays Mountain from Hand
    Hanni taps Mountain
    Hanni plays Grim Lavamancer from Hand
    <Hanni> Ok?
    <Hanni> End my turn
    It is now turn 4 (t)
    It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
    t untaps his/her permanents
    It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
    It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
    t draws a card
    It is now the Precombat Main Phase
    t taps Volcanic Island
    t plays Lightning Bolt from Hand
    Hanni puts Grim Lavamancer to Graveyard from Play

    t puts Lightning Bolt to Graveyard from Play
    t plays Tundra from Hand
    <t> End my turn
    It is now turn 5 (Hanni)
    It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
    It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
    Hanni untaps his/her permanents
    It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
    Hanni draws a card
    It is now the Precombat Main Phase
    Hanni plays Flooded Strand from Hand
    Hanni taps Tundra
    Hanni plays Delver of Secrets/Insectile Aberration from Hand
    <Hanni> Ok?
    <t> Ok
    <Hanni> End my turn
    It is now turn 6 (t)
    It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
    t untaps his/her permanents
    It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
    It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
    t draws a card
    It is now the Precombat Main Phase
    t plays Scalding Tarn from Hand
    t taps Volcanic Island
    t taps Tundra
    t plays Stoneforge Mystic from Hand
    <t> Ok?
    <Hanni> Ok
    t is looking its Library...
    t puts Batterskull into play from Library
    t shuffles library
    t stops looking its Library...
    t puts Batterskull to Hand from Play
    <t> End my turn
    <Hanni> EOT
    Hanni puts Flooded Strand to Graveyard from Play
    Hanni's life total is now 19 (-1)
    <Hanni> Ok?
    <t> Ok
    Hanni is looking its Library...
    Hanni puts Volcanic Island into play from Library
    Hanni shuffles library
    Hanni stops looking its Library...
    Hanni taps Mountain
    Hanni taps Volcanic Island
    Hanni plays Magma Jet from Hand
    <Hanni> Ok?
    t puts Stoneforge Mystic to Graveyard from Play
    Hanni is looking top 2 cards of its Library...
    Hanni rearranges cards in Hanni's Library
    Hanni stops looking its Library...
    Hanni puts Magma Jet to Graveyard from Play
    <Hanni> Ok
    It is now turn 7 (Hanni)
    It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
    It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
    Hanni untaps his/her permanents
    Hanni puts Magma Jet into play from Library
    Hanni puts Magma Jet to Hand from Play
    It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
    Hanni draws a card
    It is now the Precombat Main Phase
    Hanni undone last draw [1 card(s)]
    <Hanni> sorry
    Delver of Secrets/Insectile Aberration is now 3/2
    It is now the Combat Phase, Declare Attackers Step
    Hanni taps Delver of Secrets/Insectile Aberration
    Hanni taps Delver of Secrets/Insectile Aberration
    t's life total is now 16 (-3)
    It is now the Postcombat Main Phase
    Hanni taps Mountain
    Hanni plays Rift Bolt from Hand
    Rift Bolt now has 1 (+1) counters.
    <Hanni> End my turn
    t taps Scalding Tarn
    t puts Scalding Tarn to Graveyard from Play
    t's life total is now 15 (-1)
    t is looking its Library...
    t puts Plateau into play from Library
    t shuffles library
    t stops looking its Library...
    It is now turn 8 (t)
    It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
    t untaps his/her permanents
    It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
    It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
    t draws a card
    It is now the Precombat Main Phase
    t taps Tundra
    t plays Swords to Plowshares from Hand
    Hanni puts Delver of Secrets/Insectile Aberration to RFG from Play

    t puts Swords to Plowshares to Graveyard from Play
    Hanni's life total is now 22 (+3)
    t plays Island from Hand
    <t> End my turn
    <Hanni> EOT
    <Hanni> Thinking
    Hanni taps Volcanic Island
    Hanni plays Lightning Bolt from Hand
    t's life total is now 12 (-3)
    Hanni puts Lightning Bolt to Graveyard from Play
    It is now turn 9 (Hanni)
    It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
    It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
    Hanni untaps his/her permanents
    t's life total is now 9 (-3)
    Hanni puts Rift Bolt to Graveyard from Play
    It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
    Hanni draws a card
    It is now the Precombat Main Phase
    <Hanni> End my turn
    It is now turn 10 (t)
    It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
    t untaps his/her permanents
    It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
    It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
    t draws a card
    It is now the Precombat Main Phase
    t plays Mountain from Hand
    t plays Batterskull from Hand
    t taps Volcanic Island
    t taps Tundra
    t taps Plateau
    t taps Island
    t taps Mountain
    <t> Ok?
    <Hanni> resp
    Hanni taps Tundra
    Hanni taps Mountain
    Hanni plays Magma Jet from Hand
    t's life total is now 8 (-1)
    t's life total is now 7 (-1)
    Hanni is looking top 2 cards of its Library...
    t puts a 4/4 Germ token into play
    Hanni puts a card on bottom of Library from Library
    Batterskull is enchanting Germ now
    Hanni stops looking its Library...
    Hanni puts Magma Jet to Graveyard from Play
    <t> End my turn
    <Hanni> Thinking
    Hanni taps Volcanic Island
    Hanni untaps Volcanic Island
    <Hanni> Thinking
    It is now turn 11 (Hanni)
    It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
    It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
    Hanni untaps his/her permanents
    It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
    Hanni draws a card
    It is now the Precombat Main Phase
    Hanni taps Tundra
    Hanni plays Brainstorm from Hand
    <Hanni> Ok?
    <t> Ok
    Hanni draws a card
    Hanni draws a card
    Hanni draws a card
    Hanni puts a card on top of Library from Hand
    Hanni puts a card on top of Library from Hand
    Hanni puts Brainstorm to Graveyard from Play
    Hanni taps Mountain
    Hanni plays Lightning Bolt from Hand
    t's life total is now 4 (-3)

    Hanni puts Lightning Bolt to Graveyard from Play
    Hanni taps Volcanic Island
    Hanni plays Fireblast from Hand
    Hanni puts Mountain to Graveyard from Play
    Hanni puts Volcanic Island to Graveyard from Play
    <System> Player Lost
    <Hanni> Ok?

    Bolded the important stuff. Preboard game. I was on the play and dealt lethal on my turn 6. He scooped.
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    Re: R/u/x Blue Sligh

    This is almost the exact direction that I have wanted the U/R delver deck to go, so I really like the list.

    I would personally prefer PoP MD over Magma Jet, in something like 3x PoP and 1x Ponder split, but that's just because my meta is full of Patriot and Bant.

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    Re: R/u/x Blue Sligh

    here is my tribal flames version
    4 scalding tarn
    4 wooded foothills
    1 misty rain forest
    1 arid mesa
    2 volcanic island
    1 tropical island
    2 taiga
    1 platuea
    1 tundra
    1 badlands
    1 mountain
    4 tribal flames
    4 bolt
    4 chian
    4 rift bolt
    3daze
    4 brainstorm
    3 ponder
    4 wild nacatl
    4 delver
    4 goblin guild
    2 grim lavamancer
    1 kird ape
    sb
    4 FOW
    4 spell peirce
    3 sulfuric vortex/batterskull hate
    4 grave hate
    In exchange for a slightly worse mana base you get tribal flames and wild nacatl. Not sure if it is better or worse tbh.
    counters come in against all combo decks and some other random decks (i.e. enchantress)

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    Re: R/u/x Blue Sligh

    I'll add Tribal Flames to the list of options in the opening post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MMogg View Post
    In porn terms, Zoo has a 11" shlong and an impressive money shot, but it's over in 4 minutes, whereas Landstill is a good 8" and can go for 30 minutes.

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    Re: R/u/x Blue Sligh

    Hanni Do you have any thoughts on whether I am better of with kird apes instead of grim lavamancer. With green I can certainly play 15 aggro 1 drops but I am not sure which is better.

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    Re: R/u/x Blue Sligh

    I'm really not quite sure. Kird Ape would definitely be alot more aggressive, and offer you more early game damage with the aggro rush. On the flip side, Grim Lavamancer gives you extended midgame reach. If you go the Kird Ape route, I would suggest some number of Fire/Ice, since your entire creature base sans the Delver's are all groundbound attackers. If you can't or don't want to fit Fire/Ice, I'd say go with Grim Lavamancer since it's a safer bet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MMogg View Post
    In porn terms, Zoo has a 11" shlong and an impressive money shot, but it's over in 4 minutes, whereas Landstill is a good 8" and can go for 30 minutes.

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    Re: R/u/x Blue Sligh

    This is my modern decklist:

    4 snapcaster mage
    4 plated giopede
    4 steppe lynx
    3 geist of st. traft
    4 delver of secrets
    2 vendillion clique
    4 lightning bolt
    4 path to exile
    4 lightning helix
    3 spell snare

    4 flagstones of trokair
    2 vesuva
    4 arid mesa
    4 scalding tarn
    1 mountain
    1 island
    1 plains
    3 hallowed fountain
    2 boros garrison
    2 steam vents

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    Re: R/u/x Blue Sligh

    I know you've written off Wasteland in your opening post, but have you actually tried it? I played Sligh both in Extended, Vintage and Standard, alot, and I've never ever wanted to leave home without 4 Wastelands (granted this was different metagames, some more busted and some weaker) - keeping the game in "early game" as long as possible is simply so good.
    - It'll put a little stress on your manabase, I know, but it just might be worth it.

    Cursed Scroll is another card worth keeping in mind. Somewhat serves the same purpose as Grim Lavamancer, but harder to kill.

    I love that you're not slowing the deck down with counterspells, and the single one you uses can actually speed up the clock; either by improving the value of Steppe Lynx or by bouncing a land later in the game to Brainstorm it anyway into more burn. :-D

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    Re: R/u/x Blue Sligh

    Reading the OP with the white splash, I have to say it's really nice to see someone capitolizing on Steppe Lynx again. I've been using Lynx in my zoo build for a long time. I switched from Loam Lion to Lynx, added in more fetchlands (total of 10 in the deck) and never looked back. In zoo, it has Sylvan Library to filter those top three for the game winner, and fetchlands turn mid-late game Steppe Lynx's into a viable threat.

    My only real question for Hanni on the white splash is whether or not you feel that StP/Path should be included somewhere in the 75. Looking at your Stoneblade game on MWS, it was great to see you outrace a Batterskull. I'm just curious how often you've run into the situation of having a massive threat you couldn't deal with, like a big Goyf, Knight of the Reliquary, a timely Batterskull, or even a sizeable Scavenging Ooze (4/4 or better.) Would Swords/Path be worth putting in the sideboard considering the white splash?

    On a slightly different train of thought, would Lightning Helix ever be considered for the benefits against opposing sligh/aggro decks (lifegain)?
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    Re: R/u/x Blue Sligh

    I do not think Swords or Path belong in the 75, although justification could be made for running Path in the sideboard. There is no place for Swords in this deck.

    The thing is, this deck really doesn't care about Goyf or Knight of the Reliquary. Early game, Lynx outsizes both of them, and the rest of the creatures do evasive damage. I mean, Guide is groundbound, but an unexpected Guide off the top can be cast once the opponent has no blockers open for 2 damage. Besides, this deck races those creatures anyway. I run Submerge in my board to deal with these guys since they are very prevalent in the metagame, and I think its better because it's free and doesn't have dissynergy with Daze. However, the Submerge's are a flex spot that could be Path to Exile... or even some graveyard hate.

    Batterskull can be an issue, because of the lifegain. However, SFM is very easy for this deck to deal with, and this deck can race an opponent to a hardcast Batterskull. I have Spree and Disenchant postboard, which also take care of Jitte.
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    Re: R/u/x Blue Sligh

    Sorry that I didn't address all of the questions in my last post. I'm at work and typing responses on my phone can be a bitch.

    I know you've written off Wasteland in your opening post, but have you actually tried it? I played Sligh both in Extended, Vintage and Standard, alot, and I've never ever wanted to leave home without 4 Wastelands (granted this was different metagames, some more busted and some weaker) - keeping the game in "early game" as long as possible is simply so good.
    - It'll put a little stress on your manabase, I know, but it just might be worth it.
    My list runs 4 spells that I can cast with Wasteland mana. 4, that's it. That means Wasteland would have to replace spells, not lands. At that point, why even run it over Price of Progress?

    I understand that Wasteland slows the opponent down, which is a good thing, but Daze does the same thing. Personally, I think Daze has a lot more value in this deck. If I were to fit in Wasteland, I'd cut the Dazes to do so.

    However, I will remove Wasteland from the list of non-playables.

    To address your other point, no, I have not tried Wasteland in this build. I have played with Wasteland in Sligh decks in older formats though. A good example was back in the old Mirrodin Tinker era. Back then though, the format was filled with Ancient Tomb, City of Traitors, and Seat of Synod. That was also in a deck running plenty of spells where Wasteland could be used to produce mana for, like Blistering Firecat and Cursed Scroll. I also ran Rishadan Ports too.

    The thing is, I remember when I used to play a Sligh deck with Jackal Pup and Mogg Flunkies, but that doesn't mean I should consider them for this deck. The card pool has evolved what Sligh was and what Sligh is. Gone are the days of using 2cc creatures. Gone are the days of using less efficient burn spells like Incinerate. Those changes make Wasteland much less attractive, and make Daze much more attractive.

    Cursed Scroll is another card worth keeping in mind. Somewhat serves the same purpose as Grim Lavamancer, but harder to kill.
    Cursed Scroll is slow and inefficient, but it is still a valuable card, so I will add it to the list of playables.

    On a slightly different train of thought, would Lightning Helix ever be considered for the benefits against opposing sligh/aggro decks (lifegain)?
    This deck is one of, if not the most, aggressive decks in the format... so the deck should not need it. It would be a house in the mirror match though, so I'll add it to the list of playables.

    Although... both Forked Bolt and Searing Blaze would also be really good in the mirror match, too.

    The biggest difference I see is that Helix is great against the Burn matchup. The Burn matchup is unfavorable. I mean, both decks are extremely similar, except they have several slight advantages. For starters, this deck runs 12 fetchlands that cause life loss, where they (usually) run none. Our creatures trade 1 for 1 with their burn spells, so that's not so bad, but their creatures don't trade 1 for 1 with our burn spells (Keldon Marauders and Hellspark Elemental). They might also run spells like Cave-In, Volcanic Fallout, and/or Flamebreak, which also give them a big edge. We have an advantage with Brainstorm enabling greater consistency, but it doesn't make up for the disadvantages everywhere else.

    Hopefully Burn doesn't stay popular for long, or I probably will be adding things like Lightning Helix to compensate... or Circle of Protection: Red in the sideboard.
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    Re: R/u/x Blue Sligh

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Safety View Post
    My only real question for Hanni on the white splash is whether or not you feel that StP/Path should be included somewhere in the 75.
    I just thought I would note that if you play tribal flames it can often kill kotr and goyf making dedicated removal less needed.

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    Re: R/u/x Blue Sligh

    Was I the only one who kept expecting the end of that MWS log to end with "fukin scrub" or "noob"? lol I mean don't they all end like that? Heh.

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    Re: R/u/x Blue Sligh

    What do you think of this build? Any suggestions? what are your thoughts on porting this to modern?

    [deck]
    CREATURES 13
    4 Delver of Secrets
    2 Snapcaster Mage
    3 Dark Confidant
    2 Grim Lavamancer
    2 Vendilion Clique

    INSTANTS 22
    4 Brainstorm
    3 Force
    3 Stifle
    2 Spell Pierce
    2 Spell Snare
    4 Lightning Bolt
    2 Ghastly Demise
    1 Smother
    1 Go for the Throat SORCERIES 6
    3 Thought seize
    3 Chain lightning

    LANDS 19
    4 Wasteland
    4 Polluted Delta
    2 Scalding Tarn
    2 Bloodstained Mire
    2 Underground Sea
    1 Volcanic Island
    1 Badlands
    1 Islands
    1 Mountains
    1 Swamps

    SIDEBOARD
    1 Force of Will
    2 Damnation
    3 Surgical extraction
    3 Reanimate
    2 Mana Leak
    2 REB
    2 Tombstalker
    [/deck]

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    Re: R/u/x Blue Sligh

    rxsavage your deck looks more like a variant of tempo RUG than sligh

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    Re: R/u/x Blue Sligh

    Quote Originally Posted by ajfennewald View Post
    rxsavage your deck looks more like a variant of tempo RUG than sligh

    That is true, but i arrived at this point after starting with a straight u/r burn heavy deck, then to counter heavy, then black splash for stalker etc. How could it be more sligh?

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    Re: R/u/x Blue Sligh

    Hanni I noticed you play no grave hate in the board. Do you think you already have good matchusp vs reanimator and dredge or are you hoping to dodge them?

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    Re: R/u/x Blue Sligh

    Decks like this rely quite a bit on speed. Cursed Scroll is pretty damn slow, I wouldn't list it on the playable cards list because someone asked you to. Lavamancer does the job a -lot- better.

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