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    Re: [Primer] UWx Miracle Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Noloam_ View Post
    you will understand it as soon as you see how long my games last. Balance usually catches 2-5 spells if you play a long game. And it increases your (UR)delver match, storm match + it kills the mirror
    Perhaps you would be willing to record some matches or better yet stream with the deck so we can see how your playstyle is.

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    Re: [Primer] UWx Miracle Control

    Quote Originally Posted by god_campbell View Post
    Perhaps you would be willing to record some matches or better yet stream with the deck so we can see how your playstyle is.
    90% of the time i play while working in the office. i think the wont appreciate a cam on my monitor. But perhaps there are also streaming possibilities, for which i only need to run certain software? is anybody familiar with that?
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    Re: [Primer] UWx Miracle Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Noloam_ View Post
    90% of the time i play while working in the office. i think the wont appreciate a cam on my monitor. But perhaps there are also streaming possibilities, for which i only need to run certain software? if anybody familiar with that?
    OBS Studio. Very easy. (=


    edit [one day after]: another 5-0 with sooth list (=

    edit [2]: and one more 5-0 =) 10 win streak \o/

    Edit [two days after]: one more! 15 win streakkk
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    Re: [Primer] UWx Miracle Control

    Ya Im pretty close to legacy completion on modo just need 3 more fows and a couple sb cards *cough* surgical *cough* then I will bee moving my mainly modern over to a more legacy focus.

    You just need to download OBS u set screen capture and add a mic or a cam or what ever and boom u have a simple stream setup to broadcast games to the rest of us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noloam_ View Post
    i 5-0'ed with this list today. i went 4-1,4-1,4-1,2-3 :(,5-0

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    Mainboard:

    3 snapcaster mage

    2 jace the mind sculptor

    3 counterbalance
    4 ponder
    4 brainstorm
    3 portent
    4 predict
    4 swords to plowshares
    1 unexpectedly absent
    1 councils judgement
    4 terminus
    2 counterspell
    4 force of will
    1 entreat the angels

    5 island
    2 plains
    4 polluted delta
    4 flooded strand
    1 arid mesa
    3 tundra
    1 karakas


    Sideboard:


    1 surgical extraction
    1 Grafdiggers cage (still need to buy a 2th surgical)
    1 hydroblast
    2 invasive surgery
    1 back to basics
    1 gideon, ally of zendikar
    1 disenchant
    1 containment priest
    1 ethersworn cannonist
    3 leyline of sanctity
    1 monestery mentor
    1 disenchant
    I'm planning on piloting a similar list at a tournament this Saturday, any advice you can give for piloting?

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    Re: [Primer] UWx Miracle Control

    Quote Originally Posted by CBXZero View Post
    I'm planning on piloting a similar list at a tournament this Saturday, any advice you can give for piloting?
    slam counterbalance into the face of daze and make sure you dont cut portent vs aggro ;) (for terminus). keep me posted on your results
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    Re: [Primer] UWx Miracle Control

    Another 5-0 on mtg for the Soothsaying/Counterbalance list:

    http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles...gue-2017-08-31

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    Re: [Primer] UWx Miracle Control

    I recorded my league today with same sooth list. 5-0 again =)

    R1 - Dark Maverick
    R2 - Czech Pile
    R3 - Merfolk
    R4 - Grixis Delver
    R5 - Death & Taxes

    Turn on subtitles for a few comments.

    Part 1 (R1-R2): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1d_myJH5FeY
    Part 2 (R3-R5): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XerDvgpy_wM

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    Re: [Primer] UWx Miracle Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Stefanogs View Post
    I recorded my league today with same sooth list. 5-0 again =)

    R1 - Dark Maverick
    R2 - Czech Pile
    R3 - Merfolk
    R4 - Grixis Delver
    R5 - Death & Taxes

    Turn on subtitles for a few comments.

    Part 1 (R1-R2): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1d_myJH5FeY
    Part 2 (R3-R5): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XerDvgpy_wM
    Thank you for the content! I always appreciate any effort to showcase play style and play lines to better improve as a player.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stefanogs View Post
    I recorded my league today with same sooth list. 5-0 again =)

    R1 - Dark Maverick
    R2 - Czech Pile
    R3 - Merfolk
    R4 - Grixis Delver
    R5 - Death & Taxes

    Turn on subtitles for a few comments.

    Part 1 (R1-R2): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1d_myJH5FeY
    Part 2 (R3-R5): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XerDvgpy_wM
    Thanks for the videos, they were very informative!

    I liked how Soothsaying served multiple roles (pairing with CB and acting as another cantrip) and Counterbalance of course isn't as good as it was with Top, but it does attack them along a different axis and if it picks off even 1 card, it's at least a 1 for 1; anything more and it generates positive value. At the very least, it gives them something else they have to consider. Interesting build!

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    Re: [Primer] UWx Miracle Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Stefanogs View Post
    I recorded my league today with same sooth list. 5-0 again =)

    R1 - Dark Maverick
    R2 - Czech Pile
    R3 - Merfolk
    R4 - Grixis Delver
    R5 - Death & Taxes

    Turn on subtitles for a few comments.

    Part 1 (R1-R2): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1d_myJH5FeY
    Part 2 (R3-R5): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XerDvgpy_wM
    Congrats on crushing. Why the 3 Volcanic over 3 Tudnra?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stefanogs View Post
    I recorded my league today with same sooth list. 5-0 again =)

    R1 - Dark Maverick
    R2 - Czech Pile
    R3 - Merfolk
    R4 - Grixis Delver
    R5 - Death & Taxes

    Turn on subtitles for a few comments.

    Part 1 (R1-R2): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1d_myJH5FeY
    Part 2 (R3-R5): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XerDvgpy_wM
    Very interesting stuff! I really like the power of Soothsaying in the later game, where it helps draw into action even better than Top did. I think you Soothsaying'd for 6+ a few times, which has to feel pretty great!

    Would you consider adding a third copy of Soothsaying to the list, or does two feel like the right number?

    Also, is the reason you activated Soothsaying for X=1 at the end step when you didn't have a fetchland just to decide whether to activate for X=2+ on upkeep? I think most of the times you just ended up drawing the card so it looks a little strange, but I assume this is the reason?

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    Re: [Primer] UWx Miracle Control

    Quote Originally Posted by AppallinglyDull View Post
    Very interesting stuff! I really like the power of Soothsaying in the later game, where it helps draw into action even better than Top did. I think you Soothsaying'd for 6+ a few times, which has to feel pretty great!

    Would you consider adding a third copy of Soothsaying to the list, or does two feel like the right number?

    Also, is the reason you activated Soothsaying for X=1 at the end step when you didn't have a fetchland just to decide whether to activate for X=2+ on upkeep? I think most of the times you just ended up drawing the card so it looks a little strange, but I assume this is the reason?


    i'll kp only two soothsaying. The card is really bad on first turns :p.

    Yes, this is the reason why i look at the top card on eot. ^^


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    Re: [Primer] UWx Miracle Control

    I'm playing Mentor Miracles with Daze.

    When playing against Death and Taxes, what are must counter cards? Is it worth FoWing a T1 Vial? How about T2 Stoneforge Mystic or Thalia?

    I find Thalia to be quite annoying because her taxing effect slows us down a lot. Also, with a Karakas in play for the opponent she is difficult to get rid of.

    Is the most reliable win condition a fast Mentor?
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    Re: [Primer] UWx Miracle Control

    Quote Originally Posted by trivial_matters View Post
    I'm playing Mentor Miracles with Daze.

    When playing against Death and Taxes, what are must counter cards? Is it worth FoWing a T1 Vial? How about T2 Stoneforge Mystic or Thalia?

    I find Thalia to be quite annoying because her taxing effect slows us down a lot. Also, with a Karakas in play for the opponent she is difficult to get rid of.

    Is the most reliable win condition a fast Mentor?
    I think fow t1 vial is correct decision, because we run 0-2 answers to it md. I don't like to fow sfm or thalia... you need to avaluate your removals, cantrips and lands to see if you'll have effective answer for them.

    I do think that both mentor and jace are mvp on this matchup.

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    Re: [Primer] UWx Miracle Control

    3 Monastery Mentor
    2 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
    1 Counterspell
    4 Brainstorm
    4 Ponder
    2 Portent
    3 Predict
    1 Council's Judgment
    4 Terminus
    4 Swords to Plowshares
    4 Force of Will
    3 Snapcaster Mage
    3 Volcanic Island
    3 Tundra
    2 Plains
    4 Flooded Strand
    4 Polluted Delta
    1 Arid Mesa
    3 Counterbalance
    3 Island
    2 Soothsaying

    1 Red Elemental Blast
    2 Pyroblast
    2 Flusterstorm
    2 Disenchant
    1 Izzet Staticaster
    1 Vendilion Clique
    2 Surgical Extraction
    2 Containment Priest
    2 Blood Moon

    I 5 0d a small local event last night with this. While I was very skeptical and very ....uh... Vocal about my disdain for soothsaying here, seeing Stefanogs do so well with it consistently drove me to at least try it. It was kinda ridiculous how powerful indexing for 7 on repeated turns in the late game can be, and, in conjunction with CB, kinda created some busted and unfair interactions. The format is hella soft to it for the time being so it's possibly seeing some success because it's unexpected, but I fully intend to at least keep trying and tuning it myself.

    Countertop is still broken, I can confirm. I intend to try increased numbers and see how good/bad it can be.

    I'm still skeptical, but it's definitely much better than I originally have credit.
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    I'm going to try to trade for a couple Soothsayings (I know, they're only like $2.50 each, but still...) and test this as well. I've been sticking with the 'traditional' Mentor + UA build but am intrigued. And having Counterbalance back in the deck would feel nice vs. Burn, which I've lost to two weeks in a row.

    One thing that strikes me about this deck is that Mentor has fewer spells to trigger it, since you're cutting some number of Portents, Predicts, etc. for enchantments that we don't necessarily want to deploy in multiples. Along with Soothsaying's ability to sort of 'float' cards the way Top did, would this build perhaps prefer Entreat the Angels?

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    Re: [Primer] UWx Miracle Control

    Yeah im am really surprised that almost nobody runs entreat. That card is lights out vs so many otherwise unwinable situations
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    Countertop is still broken, I can confirm. I intend to try increased numbers and see how good/bad it can be.

    I'm still skeptical, but it's definitely much better than I originally have credit.
    There is no Countertop, only CounterSoothsaying.

    At this point in time, people seem to forget that Miracles is supposed to float cards, like all the SDT tricks have never existed.

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    Re: [Primer] UWx Miracle Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Stefanogs View Post
    I recorded my league today with same sooth list. 5-0 again =)

    R1 - Dark Maverick
    R2 - Czech Pile
    R3 - Merfolk
    R4 - Grixis Delver
    R5 - Death & Taxes

    Turn on subtitles for a few comments.

    Part 1 (R1-R2): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1d_myJH5FeY
    Part 2 (R3-R5): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XerDvgpy_wM
    Loved watching these! Will try this list out next time I play :)

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