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    The Team Pro Tour will feature LEGACY!

    WotC just announced their new PT schedule. Not only are they bringing back the Modern Pro Tour, they have also brought back the Team Pro Tour, which will feature Standard, Modern and Legacy!:

    The format for Pro Tour 25th Anniversary is Trios Constructed, meaning each player on a registered trio will compete with a legal Standard, Modern, and Legacy deck for this event.
    Edit: removed the part about Team Constructed PTQs at Team Constructed GPs; WotC just announced the Sunday PTQs at Team Constructed GPs will be Team Limited instead of Team Constructed (=T2+Modern+Legacy).

    Source: http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles...lds-2017-07-19
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    Exciting but nervous, I've been of the opinion legacy has been allowed to exist as it has because it isn't a pro tour (how modern was handled when it was a PT format affirmed that a bit) but I'm always interested to see how the pros break a format so we'll see.

    Admittedly this is a one-off event (I imagine) so they'll likely do nothing.
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    This format is great when SCG covers it so it would be cool if it was a once a year thing. Looking forward to Rich Hagon and Brian David Marshall trying to commentate on it.

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    PTQs qualifying you to this PT are standard unified.

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    Now I just need to find two saps willing to play Standard and Modern
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    Now I just need to find two saps willing to play Standard and Modern
    I read it as all players play all three. Which is too bad for any team that'd have me since I'd have a legacy deck, a modern deck, and 60 of my favorite basic lands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noctalor View Post
    PTQs qualifying you to this PT are standard unified....
    One more metagame for people to care about and for R&D to manage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noctalor View Post
    PTQs qualifying you to this PT are standard unified.
    I don't know where to start since this comment seems to be based on a misunderstanding how to qualify. For Legacy players there's two ways:

    • Top 4 Team Constructed GP.
    • Assuming the "Special Team Format" announced for certain RPTQs will likely feature Legacy, you can also qualify through that. As a bonus, you don't even need to qualify for that RPTQ through a PPTQ as long as someone Q'ed for the RPTQ (likely your Standard guy) invites you onto his Team Constructed Team.
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    5. Think that Gaea's Blessing will make you Solidarity-proof.
    6. Pass priority after playing Infernal Tutor.
    7. Fail to playtest against Nourishing Lich (coZ iT wIlL gEt U!).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Julian23 View Post
    • Assuming the "Special Team Format" announced for certain RPTQs will likely feature Legacy, you can also qualify through that. As a bonus, you don't even need to qualify for that RPTQ through a PPTQ as long as someone Q'ed for the RPTQ (likely your Standard guy) invites you onto his Team Constructed Team.
    So, in an Team RPTQ, only one person needs to be Q'ed and the other 2 are allowed to participate qualified or not?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Julian23 View Post
    I don't know where to start since this comment seems to be based on a misunderstanding how to qualify. For Legacy players there's two ways:

    • Top 4 Team Constructed GP.
    • Assuming the "Special Team Format" announced for certain RPTQs will likely feature Legacy, you can also qualify through that. As a bonus, you don't even need to qualify for that RPTQ through a PPTQ as long as someone Q'ed for the RPTQ (likely your Standard guy) invites you onto his Team Constructed Team.
    As far as i know the special team format announced for RPTQs is Standard Team Unified, a friend of mine told me that and I assumed it is true (I mean, he is an L2)
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    Quote Originally Posted by supremePINEAPPLE View Post
    This format is great when SCG covers it so it would be cool if it was a once a year thing. Looking forward to Rich Hagon and Brian David Marshall trying to commentate on it.
    It's going to be a train wreck...of their usual commentators, I think LSV is the only person they have that could even be passable. Even when Cedric and Patrick did Legacy on almost a weekly basis, there were plenty of head-scratch, eye squint educing comments made.

    I guess we do know now why Top was really banned though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by H View Post
    It's going to be a train wreck...of their usual commentators, I think LSV is the only person they have that could even be passable. Even when Cedric and Patrick did Legacy on almost a weekly basis, there were plenty of head-scratch, eye squint educing comments made.

    I guess we do know now why Top was really banned though.
    Those guys did bad the first couple of years. This is true. But they got a lot better. Still the sentiment of your post is sound. It's going to be a tough gig. They really need a third guy in the booth plucked from the community to chime in on the details. Who's equal to this challenge here?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Finn View Post
    Those guys did bad the first couple of years. This is true. But they got a lot better. Still the sentiment of your post is sound. It's going to be a tough gig. They really need a third guy in the booth plucked from the community to chime in on the details. Who's equal to this challenge here?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Finn View Post
    Those guys did bad the first couple of years. This is true. But they got a lot better. Still the sentiment of your post is sound. It's going to be a tough gig. They really need a third guy in the booth plucked from the community to chime in on the details. Who's equal to this challenge here?
    Yeah, don't get me wrong, I always enjoyed Cedric and Patrick's commentary, but Legacy is a pretty wide format and so even "experienced" commentators can sometimes have issues.

    LSV is perceptive enough to be able to commentate on nearly any format though, so he is the best bet they have. That is, if he isn't playing.

    Having a "Legacy expert" on hand is probably the best idea, but with the Team format being only 1/3 Legacy, them bringing in someone strictly for that is pretty remote.
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    Who's equal to this challenge here?
    Julian doing commentary would be amazing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord_Mcdonalds View Post
    Exciting but nervous, I've been of the opinion legacy has been allowed to exist as it has because it isn't a pro tour (how modern was handled when it was a PT format affirmed that a bit)...
    This is my concern as well. Fingers crossed.

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    there are still a TON if cards on the reserve list other than duals that are staples in the format.
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    Still, if WotC could solve the dual lands issue it would go along way (not everyone wants to play Burn, Fish, Affinity, D&T, or Manaless Dredge). Substitute duals (with no drawback in Legacy) could work wonders as far as format interest is concerned. I would anticipate explosive growth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crimhead View Post
    This is my concern as well. Fingers crossed.
    You would think that were self-evident, but according to the letter of the reprint policy supertypes do not affect functional identity for some reason.
    That's silly and annoying. Darn.

    Then maybe something like a revolt dual or life loss dual.

    "~ ETB tapped unless you lost life this turn" or "~ ETB tapped unless a permanent left the battlefield this turn".

    Still objectively worse, but would give a close enough approximation in a lot of situations [fetching obviously] that it would at least give many players a reasonable entry point.

    But really, neither that nor the RL going anywhere is going to happen. Hopefully the Team Trio format will take off and at least give Legacy a regular competitive place with a reasonable demand mitigation (only 1/3 of players need RL cards).

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    Quote Originally Posted by walked View Post
    "~ ETB tapped unless you lost life this turn" or "~ ETB tapped unless a permanent left the battlefield this turn".
    We don't need sub-par budget duals. We need duals.

    eg, CIPT if:

    - You have >30 life
    - You have > 60 cards in your library
    - etc.

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    A pyroblastable island? PogChamp

    A fetchable discard land would also be way too good.

    But yeah there are a lot of designs they could explore. A land that say "you can't play more than 1 spell this turn" or "exile a random card from your graveyard as this ETB"

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    The type line of the card might make that sample hard to implement anyway.

    Legendary Snow Land - Island Forest

    Edit: I advocate something more elegant though.

    ----
    Land - Mountain Swamp Forest

    When {this} enters the battlefield, discard a card unless you have Threshold.
    ----

    ----
    Land - Plains Island

    This card is white and blue. When {this} enters the battlefield, reveal your hand.
    ----


    Or whatever. Make the cards situationally better or worse than a straight up dual land. That way we will want to play with maybe one or two of these new cards per deck, taking some of the weight off of duals. There is plenty of room to explore for this type of thing.
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