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    Re: [DTB] Czech Pile

    Anyone see the Snapcaster stream yesterday?

    Rudy Briksza, on Czech Pile, sideboard Grave Titan?

    See it here.

    My guess is that it was sideboard, not really sure. I mean, if you want to win the mirror, I guess that is one way to do it.
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    Re: [DTB] Czech Pile

    Hei Guys

    Some People asked me about my mkm series Hamburg top 4 Bug-Pile List (aka Hausmann-Bug) and Boarding against certain Match ups.
    Here some more guides for some Decks:

    Death’n’Taxes/Maverick:

    -4 Fow
    -2 Hymn (just OTD)

    +2 Marsh Casualities
    +1 lili of the Last Hope
    +1 Krosan Grip
    +2 Edict (Otd)

    Food Chain:

    -2 Jitte
    -2 Fow
    -2 Push

    +2 Hymn
    +3 Fluster
    +1 Krosan Grip

    Sneak Show

    +3 Fluster
    +2 Hymn
    +3 Surgical
    +1 Hydroblast
    +1 Krosan Grip
    +2 Edict

    -2 jitte
    -3 Push
    -4 Strix
    -3 True Name

    Storm

    +3 Fluster
    +2 Hymn
    +3 Surgical
    +1 Hydroblast
    +2 Marsh Casualties

    -2 jitte
    -3 Push
    -4 Strix
    -2 True Name

    Ask me for questions

    Greets Pascal

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    Re: [DTB] Czech Pile

    Quote Originally Posted by Hrothgar View Post
    Hi Negator,
    In my (little) experience Food Chain is a bad matchup.

    Discards spells and counter for Manipulate in the early + Kolaghan and Blast for Griffin in the mid game, are our best friend here.
    May attention to his Shaman who remove his Griffin from his greave obv.

    Anyway I feel is bad.
    the only game I won was one in which I had:
    shaman on my side, and killed the one on his side.
    Decayed his food chain (I run two decay, one main one side)
    dropped down a fast gurmag and started beating.
    He incidentaly missed one deathrite activation, so I could snap-decay his second food chain and win the game (throw in a fow countering his fow)
    But boy, it was a nightmare and I had to draw all the cards I need at the right time...

    Quote Originally Posted by Pdingo View Post
    Hei Guys

    Some People asked me about my mkm series Hamburg top 4 Bug-Pile List (aka Hausmann-Bug) and Boarding against certain Match ups.
    Here some more guides for some Decks:

    Death’n’Taxes/Maverick:

    -4 Fow
    -2 Hymn (just OTD)

    +2 Marsh Casualities
    +1 lili of the Last Hope
    +1 Krosan Grip
    +2 Edict (Otd)

    Food Chain:

    -2 Jitte
    -2 Fow
    -2 Push

    +2 Hymn
    +3 Fluster
    +1 Krosan Grip

    Sneak Show

    +3 Fluster
    +2 Hymn
    +3 Surgical
    +1 Hydroblast
    +1 Krosan Grip
    +2 Edict

    -2 jitte
    -3 Push
    -4 Strix
    -3 True Name

    Storm

    +3 Fluster
    +2 Hymn
    +3 Surgical
    +1 Hydroblast
    +2 Marsh Casualties

    -2 jitte
    -3 Push
    -4 Strix
    -2 True Name

    Ask me for questions

    Greets Pascal


    will try to play your list for a change tomorrow,
    do you have an updated one to look after? you can just PM me if you want.

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    Re: [DTB] Czech Pile

    Quote Originally Posted by Pdingo View Post
    Hei Guys

    Some People asked me about my mkm series Hamburg top 4 Bug-Pile List (aka Hausmann-Bug) and Boarding against certain Match ups.
    Here some more guides for some Decks:

    Death’n’Taxes/Maverick:

    -4 Fow
    -2 Hymn (just OTD)

    +2 Marsh Casualities
    +1 lili of the Last Hope
    +1 Krosan Grip
    +2 Edict (Otd)

    Food Chain:

    -2 Jitte
    -2 Fow
    -2 Push

    +2 Hymn
    +3 Fluster
    +1 Krosan Grip

    Sneak Show

    +3 Fluster
    +2 Hymn
    +3 Surgical
    +1 Hydroblast
    +1 Krosan Grip
    +2 Edict

    -2 jitte
    -3 Push
    -4 Strix
    -3 True Name

    Storm

    +3 Fluster
    +2 Hymn
    +3 Surgical
    +1 Hydroblast
    +2 Marsh Casualties

    -2 jitte
    -3 Push
    -4 Strix
    -2 True Name

    Ask me for questions

    Greets Pascal
    Hausmann is on this list as well? Isnt he on food chain? Anyway what would u think is the advantage of your deck vs czech pile and food chain?

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    Re: [DTB] Czech Pile

    Hei guys

    No i didnt change anything. Yes hausmann's list, give credits to him:P
    He's between bug and foodchain. But i have to say this deck is better than foodchain..even so if you play against foodchain hymn is great but take care for back to basic and side in the fluster..

    Against czech Pile iz a grind..you should play fast here because chance of drawing is high.But i have to say it feels really even.

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    Re: [DTB] Czech Pile

    Quote Originally Posted by NegatorITA View Post
    It's me, or we can't defeat food chain unless we got "a perfect hand"?

    Like I was testing with my friend and he won 6 games out of seven.
    Yup its a bad matchup for us. Just wondering what do you guys side out for both food chain and aluren.

    Taking this list for starters but i am not confident on my choices:

    Food Chain:
    -2 fatal push, -1 Diabolic Edict, -1 Lightning bolt, -1 FOW and 1 Land for + 1 Hymn, +3 Rebs, +1 flusterstorm, +1 Liliana of the last hope

    Manipulate fate is a must counter here, that card just grinds us out most of the time.

    Aluren:

    -2 fatal push, -1 diabolic edicit, -1 bolt, - 1 land for +1 Hymn, +3 REBs, +1 Liliana of the last hope

    Havent been matching up with much aluren of late but i guess the key card to counter would be aluren or cavern harpy?

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    Re: [DTB] Czech Pile

    Why not to take out strixes?
    They are not doing much against combo decks like this.

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    Re: [DTB] Czech Pile

    Still playing this List:
    I won 2 Tournaments in Switzerland again with Bug Pile:)

    First Tournament 23 Player in Basel

    I have to say i splittet the finals and we did not play them because the prices where too great and it was already late:)

    2:1 Merfolk
    2:0 against Marius Hausmann with the same:P no just kidding he conceded because one of us will play top 8 anyway.
    1:2 Jund (other Finalist) I kind of misplayed g2 (Detail) i could fetch on usea after he played hymn and i did fetch on island for fluster. I know his list, he plays 4 wasteland and 2 loam after sideboarding. The problem was now i cannot play hymn in my own turn..Maybe it would take him 2 important cards..but would be still open. G3 i get crushed. i'm sure Jund is a harder match up to face if your oppenents good with it. Missplays or bad timings can cost you games.
    2:1 Random Pile Fauna Shaman deck??
    Draw

    Top 8

    2:1 Eldrazi Taxes
    2:0 Merfolk

    Split finals against Jund.

    Second Tournament in Lucerne.. 27 Player i think

    2:0 Tezzerator
    2:0 Jund (He misplayed g2 a fire and he did not playing around surgical:))
    2:1 Affinity
    Draw
    Draw

    Top 8

    2:0 Eldrazi 12 Post (The only good 12 Post since the top bann!!!)
    2:1 Infect
    2:0 Final: Reanimator Dark Dephts (lol)

    Standings are now 37:5 without draws and the concede of marius. i should finally play the mirror:P
    I'm very happy with the Deck! did not change anything.

    // 60 Hauptdeck
    // 2 Artifact
    2 Umezawa's Jitte

    // 15 Creature
    2 Snapcaster Mage
    4 Deathrite Shaman
    3 True-Name Nemesis
    2 Leovold, Emissary of Trest
    4 Baleful Strix

    // 13 Instant
    4 Force of Will
    4 Brainstorm
    2 Abrupt Decay
    3 Fatal Push

    // 21 Land
    3 Wasteland
    3 Underground Sea
    2 Tropical Island
    1 Bayou
    4 Polluted Delta
    3 Misty Rainforest
    1 Swamp
    1 Island
    3 Verdant Catacombs

    // 2 Planeswalker
    2 Jace, the Mind Sculptor

    // 7 Sorcery
    2 Thoughtseize
    3 Ponder
    2 Hymn to Tourach


    // 15 Sideboard
    // 10 Instant
    SB: 3 Surgical Extraction
    SB: 1 Krosan Grip
    SB: 2 Diabolic Edict
    SB: 1 Hydroblast
    SB: 3 Flusterstorm

    // 1 Planeswalker
    SB: 1 Liliana, the Last Hope

    // 4 Sorcery
    SB: 2 Hymn to Tourach
    SB: 2 Marsh Casualties

    Greets Pascal

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    Re: [DTB] Czech Pile

    Im a huge Fan of your List and will give it a shot ;) only one question, i feel your 3-Mana Drop Slot is very high, do you think this can become an issue? especially if you don't have a DRS? Otherwise i like the Nemesis+Jitte Approach because of the their fast closing potential, which i missed with the czech pile. What do you think of playin a few Goyfs to make the curve a lil bit bitter? If you say thats bullshit, i will try your exact list :D

    edit: and another question :P what is your Boardingplan against the Mirror? what goes out?

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    Re: [DTB] Czech Pile

    Hi Pascal!
    You list seems very good!
    I work on a similar approach.
    Some random questions:

    Main:

    - never needs for 4th Ponder?
    - never needs a sacrifice effect (Liliana/Edict)?

    Sideboard:

    - have you tested 1 Life From the Loam in 15's for matchup like 4c, Eldrazi / Big and other?
    - have you test in side 1 Thoughtseize + 1 Hymn instead of 2 Hymn for add 1 discard effect in Reanimator matchup?

    Matchups:

    - Which are, in you opinion, the worst matchup?
    - many of Jund matchup imho depending by the roll. Have you starting the game you've lost otd?

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    Re: [DTB] Czech Pile

    @blablub

    no i never had any problems also i don't think it's very high. i mean it's a midrange control deck with 22 land and cantrips. i start often without shaman.
    T1 Ponder or Ts or even just fetch go depending on my hand.

    I would never play Goyf now. Really bad Card right now! Dies on everything and does nothing what the deck wants.. so i have to say bullshit:P

    Sideboarding Mirror:

    -4 Fow
    -3 Fatal Push ( 1 for 1 is bad in this match up)
    -2 Jitte

    +2 Hymn
    +3 Fluster
    +2 Marsh Casualties
    +1 Edict
    +1 Lili

    i think i would do it like this:)


    @Hrothgar

    No i never wanted it.. 3 is enough and i prefer cards like jitte and 3 is very well balanced in this deck.
    Marius Hausmann played 1 edict main but i never saw edict as a main card. Sideboard is fine.

    Life from the loam can be great but still i never needed it. I can win against 12 Post without. Eldrazi is anyway a good match up. Just to fix some grindy match ups could be cool. if you have some in the meta just add it to your sideboard.

    If you want to play discard like TS in the sideboard just do it, but against match up like czech pile or 12 Post i prefer hymn a lot more. 2 for 1 is the way here!

    I never faced a really bad Match up with this deck. Miracle is hard to win against specially a skilled opponent. Johannes Gutbrod and i played and he won 3:0 with miracle then we changed the decks and i won 3:0 with miracle.
    Moon stompy decks like the new chandra Stompy is really bad i think. I don't think we can win unless we're lucky.. PW's, Moon, Fiery confluence, Chalice and more are really strong cards against us!

    Greets Pascal

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pdingo View Post
    I never faced a really bad Match up with this deck. Miracle is hard to win against specially a skilled opponent. Johannes Gutbrod and i played and he won 3:0 with miracle then we changed the decks and i won 3:0 with miracle.
    Was that the Mentor Miracles list with Daze, or a more conventional build?

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    Re: [DTB] Czech Pile

    Does Czech Pile have a discord server?


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    Re: [DTB] Czech Pile

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobal View Post
    Was that the Mentor Miracles list with Daze, or a more conventional build?
    Without but doesn't matter

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    Last weekend I played a tournament that was played simultaneously with Polish Nationals (it supposed to be Polish National Legacy Challenge).
    Only 17 players showed up.

    R1: BUG Nicfit 2-0
    R2: 4C Delver 2-0
    R3: D&T 2-0
    R4: ID
    R5: ID

    Q: Aggro Loam 2-0
    S: Eldrazi 2-1
    F: Maverick ID

    Deck was like real killing machine. Only close games were against Eldrazi. The worst card all day was Force of Will probably due to the fact that the meta was full of fair decks. Sometimes I miss maindeck Abrupt Decay.
    The decklist was like this:

    2 Leovold, Emissary of Trest
    3 Snapcaster Mage
    3 Baleful Strix
    4 Deathrite Shaman
    1 Gurmag Angler

    2 Diabolic Edict
    2 Lightning Bolt
    2 Fatal Push
    3 Kolaghan's Command
    4 Brainstorm
    4 Force of Will

    1 Toxic Deluge
    3 Hymn to Tourach
    4 Ponder

    2 Jace, the Mind Sculptor

    1 Badlands
    1 Bayou
    1 Bloodstained Mire
    1 Island
    1 Swamp
    1 Tropical Island
    1 Verdant Catacombs
    2 Misty Rainforest
    2 Scalding Tarn
    2 Volcanic Island
    3 Underground Sea
    4 Polluted Delta


    Sideboard
    3 Flusterstorm
    3 Surgical Extraction
    1 Diabolic Edict
    2 Marsh Casualties
    2 Pyroblast
    1 Red Elemental Blast
    1 Null Rod
    1 Sylvan Library
    1 Ancient Grudge

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    Re: [DTB] Czech Pile

    Cheers !

    I was that Maverick, interesting that deck is missing Abrupt Decay. Does Edicts was better here - how many times you have faced TNN ?

    I was preparing for Czech Pile with Chokes, and DD-TS combo plan along with Loam.
    My plan was to side out all SFM package (not good vs K.Commands) and bring Ancient Grudges and removal to clear the way for Marit Lage. As diverse I would use wastelands with loam.

    Interesting that I made similar change between Satruday and Sunday - I swap 2 Abrupt Decay for 2 Ancient Grudge to answer all those equipments, vials and Strixs.

    An other question what do you think about TNN in Czech Pile ?
    And last one - how you would prepare for Blood Moon decks ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kubalonek View Post
    Last weekend I played a tournament that was played simultaneously with Polish Nationals (it supposed to be Polish National Legacy Challenge).
    Only 17 players showed up.

    R1: BUG Nicfit 2-0
    R2: 4C Delver 2-0
    R3: D&T 2-0
    R4: ID
    R5: ID

    Q: Aggro Loam 2-0
    S: Eldrazi 2-1
    F: Maverick ID

    Deck was like real killing machine. Only close games were against Eldrazi. The worst card all day was Force of Will probably due to the fact that the meta was full of fair decks. Sometimes I miss maindeck Abrupt Decay.
    The decklist was like this:

    2 Leovold, Emissary of Trest
    3 Snapcaster Mage
    3 Baleful Strix
    4 Deathrite Shaman
    1 Gurmag Angler

    2 Diabolic Edict
    2 Lightning Bolt
    2 Fatal Push
    3 Kolaghan's Command
    4 Brainstorm
    4 Force of Will

    1 Toxic Deluge
    3 Hymn to Tourach
    4 Ponder

    2 Jace, the Mind Sculptor

    1 Badlands
    1 Bayou
    1 Bloodstained Mire
    1 Island
    1 Swamp
    1 Tropical Island
    1 Verdant Catacombs
    2 Misty Rainforest
    2 Scalding Tarn
    2 Volcanic Island
    3 Underground Sea
    4 Polluted Delta


    Sideboard
    3 Flusterstorm
    3 Surgical Extraction
    1 Diabolic Edict
    2 Marsh Casualties
    2 Pyroblast
    1 Red Elemental Blast
    1 Null Rod
    1 Sylvan Library
    1 Ancient Grudge
    Just curious what is your general match approach and sb towards nic fit and eldrazi?

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    Re: [DTB] Czech Pile

    been playing this deck for a few weeks now and have been finding hymm to tourach a rather lacklaster cards in many matchups ..
    is it just me or does the card feel out of place ?
    I am currently running a pair in the main board along side a pair of thoughtseizes as my discards main

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    As for TNN I've seen only once. It died to Edict end of story. Edict was shining all day long. I have never faced YP so it was always dealing with fatties or annoying creatures like opponent DS.
    I'm not a fan of TNN in 4C. I prefer one Angler. It costs most of the time only B mana and sets 4 turn clock.
    From the Blood Moon decks Mono R is the worst one (with chalices / trinis / chandras etc.). You probably cannot win at all. Other decks using Blood Moon in G2 or G3 it is easy to fetch Island and Swamp and then win the game with snapcasters + K.Commands / Angler etc.

    Playing against Eldrazi is hard post board / pre board. There is not much to take from SB, I guess only 1 Edict + 1 Ancient Grudge taking out 2x Jace (jace is too slow especialy they have 4x Thorn of Amethyst post board). You have to grind with K Command trying to kill chalice, keep their creatures at the bay with strixes and be aware that they have also Warping Wails.

    As for NicFit I was playing against it 1st time. I took out for G2 2 Lightning Bolt, 2 Fatal Push, 1 Command for 1 Edict, 2 Surgical Extraction, 2 Pyroblast. He was runing Jaces / Brainstorms / Strixes / Leovolds form blue colour.
    Surgical for Eternal Witness and Meren of Clan Nel Toth targets. Not sure if I was correct. Both game Jace was MVP because it was resistant to Pernicious Deed.
    Also Leovold was very good.

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    Re: [DTB] Czech Pile

    Quote Originally Posted by Pdingo View Post
    @Hrothgar

    No i never wanted it.. 3 is enough and i prefer cards like jitte and 3 is very well balanced in this deck.
    Marius Hausmann played 1 edict main but i never saw edict as a main card. Sideboard is fine.

    Life from the loam can be great but still i never needed it. I can win against 12 Post without. Eldrazi is anyway a good match up. Just to fix some grindy match ups could be cool. if you have some in the meta just add it to your sideboard.

    If you want to play discard like TS in the sideboard just do it, but against match up like czech pile or 12 Post i prefer hymn a lot more. 2 for 1 is the way here!

    I never faced a really bad Match up with this deck. Miracle is hard to win against specially a skilled opponent. Johannes Gutbrod and i played and he won 3:0 with miracle then we changed the decks and i won 3:0 with miracle.
    Moon stompy decks like the new chandra Stompy is really bad i think. I don't think we can win unless we're lucky.. PW's, Moon, Fiery confluence, Chalice and more are really strong cards against us!

    Greets Pascal
    Thanks for reply.
    Very interesting thoughts.

    I want to test this solutions now.

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