Hey all, long-time Maverick player popping my head in. Been off Legacy for a while since there's less activity/tournaments/FNMs these days. I noticed that for a while Maverick was splashing 4c for Leovold (with decent success), and now suddenly I look and I don't see him in lists any more. What changed? I thought he was a nice addition to the deck to combat Elves - our worst MU by far - and make Blue decks play fair against us.
Noble doesn’t add red and birds fly. The exalted trigger is more important in multiples but sometimes you just need your dork to add red or pick up a sword.
In old school straight GW is was noble all the way, but with she splash for fires red is sometimes needed.
You also mana constrain yourself with the groves package so you usually have to cut utility lands ie wastelands in this case to make room.
I have seen lists with only 2 groves or no other utility lands but a 3/3 split seems nice as well.
"eggs... why'd it have to be eggs"
This is from Julian Knab with his elves list, but the idea is to prey on the fact that Miracles doesn’t actually run that many real cards anymore.
Bring in your black cards with the goal to extract either terminus or swords and they will not have enough actual spells to kill your team. Extract swords Mom+Teeg, Choke, Thoughtsieze, Bitterblossom, Tracker, Library plus equipment and everything else you want to do.
They don’t have a real way to punish us enough or lock us down anymore without Counterbalance. A quick Jace can be an issue but if he doesn’t have removal to find then what can he actually do?
"eggs... why'd it have to be eggs"
Congrats on the finish, it was nice to see Maverick do well - I chickened out of playing Maverick in the days leading up to the event.
The recording of your quarterfinals match is going up on Youtube, if it ever finishes "Processing".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaIfYZEj9L4
Tusk up.
(Not so) Current Decks: GB Elves, GW Maverick, GWb Maverick, LED Dredge, ANT, TES, Jund Storm.
Mom-mom had to die because of the ground chemicals. http://achewood.com/index.php?date=10272003
Started looking at what I am missing to do Maverick possibly for Richmond, and turns out I have no Bayou...
Then I looked at the price of Bayou... (online player mostly now a days)
AAAANNNNNNDDDD I am not going to be playing B splash :(
Looking more, Grove has gotten cheaper so maybe I can do GWr Punishing. Does that still need a Bayou for DRS or is it something I can just swing with BoP, Grove, no DRS, no Noble?
Yea playing Naya is tempting, lets me look into GR fun things to splash for GSZ. Also I don't know WHAT I have, I need to take better inventory to see what I have and what I am missing. If I don't have SFM then it is probably out of the question.
The fallback is RUG Delver, which is... fine... just... not my baby.
Mom-mom had to die because of the ground chemicals. http://achewood.com/index.php?date=10272003
So Wasteland gets a lot better now. Those three color decks are losing a mana fixer.
My best guess is the 4c Leovold, Punishing Dack, etc. style decks all need to cut colors. Maybe U/R Delver is not the most popular deck?
Reanimator decks probably get a lot more popular now, so that should be interesting.
Do we just replace DRS with Birds and move on as normal?
Mom-mom had to die because of the ground chemicals. http://achewood.com/index.php?date=10272003
So Maverick’s probably solid moving forward, but I assume we’re gonna need to load up on grave hate in the board. What do you all like? Some options:
- Bog
- Tormod’s
- Leyline
- RIP
- Surgical
- Scooze
(I’ve been on 4 DRS main, with 3 Surgical and 1 Scooze in the board. I’m personally gonna start by adding 1 Bog and 1 Tormod’s to the board.)
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I'm sure I'm not alone in thinking about the future metagame now that DRS (and probe) is banned. These are my brief initial thoughts:
Losers
Grixis Delver - this deck should be dead after losing up to 8 main deck cards.
4c Pile - no deck can be this greedy with its mana now. Wondering if players might turn to 3-color controlling shells instead.
Elves - a slight hit, as DRS provided some reach and resilience against -1/-1 effects.
Mixed
Maverick - KotR just got way better, but losing our only source of reach hurts
Storm - Loss of probe hurts, but not having to face casual GY hate from DRS somewhat mitigates this
Mono-Red Stompy - fewer decks with t1 mana creature helps, but maybe fewer greedy manabases
Winners
Miracles - I think Miracles will now retake its place as the top deck in Legacy without Pile decks to grind it out so effectively
Lands - Now they can dredge loam, rebuy their lands, and have PFire sit in the GY unmolested forever
Aggro Loam - Same thing as Lands
Dredge, Reanimator - duh, even though DRS was hardly sufficient to combat these stupid decks
Goblins - DRS will no longer just stonewall Lackey
Decks that may become decks again
RUG Delver might come back, as threshold will be way easier to achieve
U/R Delver seems reasonable, though maybe not in a world without Probe
I could see more people picking up something like Bant Stoneblade, with TNN (and less likely Leovold)
Other thoughts
-I think the obvious initial direction for Maverick is just to swap in Nobles. This would make us more of a beatdown deck with exalted triggers.
-Swapping Nobles for DRS is going to make -1/-1 effects hurt way more.
-Cavern of Souls might be a thing for us now.
-It's possible that Stoneforge Mystic gets a lot better in a world with fewer K-Commands in it.
-It's possible we will want to start running a few extra GY hate spots in the side. I've always been partial to RIP, but it felt bad being in a DRS/knight deck.
-That new dino in the upcoming Core set probably isn't good enough for legacy without DRS around, but who knows?
-It could be reasonable to eliminate the black splash entirely without DRS. The mana would get way easier, but the combo matchups would likely suffer .
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