I might be missing something but unlike others, Gideon Blackblade is a 1/1 under Humility if you played it first right?
Also we did not consider the new card Gideon's Triumph. The 2CMC makes it a Swords to Plowshares we could use under Chalice.
While Gideon's Triumph should in no way be compared to Swords to Plowshares, it does look like it would be a pretty good card for this deck.
Just a quick turn about. Is a chalice stompy deck the best route for this? I ask due to the popularity of Quinn and the updated White Control on this board. What about if instead of Chalice/Trini Sphere we just use STP and various control creatures?
And - edit: as per my comment on the spoiler thread - seems we need to justify not running New Karn. We can easily cast him turn 2/3 and the we have the means of generating 6 mana by turn 4 for the lock.
It's unclear what would be better for now. They could easily merge (I played a Sylvan Quinn deck with 4 Gideons 2 weeks ago). Chalice has the merit to be good against combo. And, in a way, in a Mono White deck, not running Chalice means to run Orim's.
Best version is probably meta-dependent in the end.
I like Teyo, the Shieldmage for some very different reasons.
What we need is a "wish-spell" for planeswalkers.
The main drawback would be the inability to hit a T1 creature. Noble Hierarch, Mom, Delver, Dryad Arbor... Sometimes it's good to just "Bolt the Bird".
FYI, I just saw this:
Interplanar Beacon
Land
Whenever you cast a planeswalker spell, you gain 1 life.
T: Add C.
1, T: Add two mana of different colors. Spend this mana only to cast planeswalker spells.
This lets us cast Turn 2 Giddeons off Sol Lands!
I don't know if I can just jame in 10 or 14 PWs into the deck, but here's my best attempt, but it looks nothing like your list. Really the only thing it keeps is the Helm-Combo
9 Other Lands
6 Sol Land
4 Waste Lands
3 Chrome Mox
2 Mox Diamond
4 sylvan library
4 Swords to Plowshares
3 Enlightened Tutor
2 ensnaring bridge
1 Humility
2 Tutor Spots
4 rest in peace
3 helm of obedience
4 Giddeon Blackblade
4 Gideon of the Trials
4 New Karn
1 Gideon, Ally of Zendikar
[/Card]
SB: 15
1 Helm of Obedience
1 Mycosynth Lattice
12 Other
Okay, this seems deece: https://scryfall.com/card/war/30/single-combat
About your list Cire, I don't think we need up to 6 sol Land in Sylvan Quinn. However, it doesn't seem terrible overall.
Oh, yeah - it's a rough draft with zero playtesting. As for the Sol lands - it's so that we can generate reliably 6 mana by turn 4 (so we can Karn turn 3 and lock turn 4 if need be). So per my heuristic (10 cards drawn searching for 2 copies of Accel (sol or mox)) we should run around 12 copies of accel. So 6 Sol lands and 6 Mox. We can definitely replace the Sol lands with other type of accel if we deem it best.
This is my thinking too...I would first try 4 chrome mox, 2 tombs, 1 City. I would shave one library, one bridge, one helm for either the new gideon edict or wog. One of my md tutor targets would be ethersworn canonist too then lots of combo sb hate. I do like the list!
Interplanar Beacon
Pretty much completely solves any decks color issues with 'walkers, if that's what you're worried about.
Unfortunately, I brought it up a couple posts ago and it was pointed out that it can't produce WW mana.
Issue with lotus petal is that it doesn't stick around and thus doesn't help get you to both 4 mana turn 3 and 6 mana turn 4.
Ideally we want to be able to curve out as follows:
Chalice Plan Helm Plan Turn 1 2 W Turn 2 1WW 1WW Turn 3 2WW 2WW Turn 4 6 6
We could - actually - think about Nobel Hierarch and other mana dorks for the Helm Version?
I'm not a judge but I'm pretty sure Gideon Blackblade would be a destructible vanilla 1/1 and lose all its planeswalker abiliies as long as Humility is in play. It's a big nonbo. Humility is so strong with the other Gideons but not this one.
Without Humility you need some kind of anti-creature plan. Ghostly Prison slows down attacks, but Griselbrand is a thing.
In the Chaliceless build above, I think leaving Humility in is still okay - it's just a one of and you can cast it despite the dis-synergy if you really need to.
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