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    I might be missing something but unlike others, Gideon Blackblade is a 1/1 under Humility if you played it first right?
    Also we did not consider the new card Gideon's Triumph. The 2CMC makes it a Swords to Plowshares we could use under Chalice.
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    I play decks with a lot of white enchantments, and white isn't even my favorite color.

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    Re: Oops, All Gideons!

    While Gideon's Triumph should in no way be compared to Swords to Plowshares, it does look like it would be a pretty good card for this deck.
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    Re: Oops, All Gideons!

    Just a quick turn about. Is a chalice stompy deck the best route for this? I ask due to the popularity of Quinn and the updated White Control on this board. What about if instead of Chalice/Trini Sphere we just use STP and various control creatures?

    And - edit: as per my comment on the spoiler thread - seems we need to justify not running New Karn. We can easily cast him turn 2/3 and the we have the means of generating 6 mana by turn 4 for the lock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cire View Post
    Just a quick turn about. Is a chalice stompy deck the best route for this? I ask due to the popularity of Quinn and the updated White Control on this board. What about if instead of Chalice/Trini Sphere we just use STP and various control creatures?
    It's unclear what would be better for now. They could easily merge (I played a Sylvan Quinn deck with 4 Gideons 2 weeks ago). Chalice has the merit to be good against combo. And, in a way, in a Mono White deck, not running Chalice means to run Orim's.
    Best version is probably meta-dependent in the end.


    Quote Originally Posted by Cire View Post
    And - edit: as per my comment on the spoiler thread - seems we need to justify not running New Karn. We can easily cast him turn 2/3 and the we have the means of generating 6 mana by turn 4 for the lock.
    I like Teyo, the Shieldmage for some very different reasons.
    What we need is a "wish-spell" for planeswalkers.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hanni View Post
    While Gideon's Triumph should in no way be compared to Swords to Plowshares, it does look like it would be a pretty good card for this deck.
    The main drawback would be the inability to hit a T1 creature. Noble Hierarch, Mom, Delver, Dryad Arbor... Sometimes it's good to just "Bolt the Bird".
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    The only glass cannon here is the pilot.
    I play decks with a lot of white enchantments, and white isn't even my favorite color.

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    Re: Oops, All Gideons!

    FYI, I just saw this:

    Interplanar Beacon
    Land
    Whenever you cast a planeswalker spell, you gain 1 life.
    T: Add C.
    1, T: Add two mana of different colors. Spend this mana only to cast planeswalker spells.

    This lets us cast Turn 2 Giddeons off Sol Lands!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cire View Post
    FYI, I just saw this:

    Interplanar Beacon
    Land
    Whenever you cast a planeswalker spell, you gain 1 life.
    T: Add C.
    1, T: Add two mana of different colors. Spend this mana only to cast planeswalker spells.

    This lets us cast Turn 2 Giddeons off Sol Lands!
    Sadly the two mana have to be of different colors, so you can't add WW.

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    Re: Oops, All Gideons!

    Ah damnit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cire View Post
    Just a quick turn about. Is a chalice stompy deck the best route for this? I ask due to the popularity of Quinn and the updated White Control on this board. What about if instead of Chalice/Trini Sphere we just use STP and various control creatures?

    And - edit: as per my comment on the spoiler thread - seems we need to justify not running New Karn. We can easily cast him turn 2/3 and the we have the means of generating 6 mana by turn 4 for the lock.
    You could definitely jam 8+ walkers in sylvan Quinn now due to new karn since it tutors helm. One md helm for etutor option then karn/gideon. Post a list in the Quinn thread if you get one together!
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    With the printing of Gigantosaurus, Thrashing Brontodon and Steel Leaf Champion the deck has evolved from good to very competitive. Anyway, give it a few play tests if you are interested and let me know what you think.

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    Re: Oops, All Gideons!

    Quote Originally Posted by kinda View Post
    You could definitely jam 8+ walkers in sylvan Quinn now due to new karn since it tutors helm. One md helm for etutor option then karn/gideon. Post a list in the Quinn thread if you get one together!
    I don't know if I can just jame in 10 or 14 PWs into the deck, but here's my best attempt, but it looks nothing like your list. Really the only thing it keeps is the Helm-Combo


    9 Other Lands
    6 Sol Land
    4 Waste Lands
    3 Chrome Mox
    2 Mox Diamond

    4 sylvan library
    4 Swords to Plowshares
    3 Enlightened Tutor
    2 ensnaring bridge
    1 Humility
    2 Tutor Spots

    4 rest in peace
    3 helm of obedience

    4 Giddeon Blackblade
    4 Gideon of the Trials
    4 New Karn
    1 Gideon, Ally of Zendikar
    [/Card]

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    1 Helm of Obedience
    1 Mycosynth Lattice
    12 Other

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    Okay, this seems deece: https://scryfall.com/card/war/30/single-combat

    About your list Cire, I don't think we need up to 6 sol Land in Sylvan Quinn. However, it doesn't seem terrible overall.
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    The only glass cannon here is the pilot.
    I play decks with a lot of white enchantments, and white isn't even my favorite color.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aedemiel View Post
    About your list Cire, I don't think we need up to 6 sol Land in Sylvan Quinn. However, it doesn't seem terrible overall.
    Oh, yeah - it's a rough draft with zero playtesting. As for the Sol lands - it's so that we can generate reliably 6 mana by turn 4 (so we can Karn turn 3 and lock turn 4 if need be). So per my heuristic (10 cards drawn searching for 2 copies of Accel (sol or mox)) we should run around 12 copies of accel. So 6 Sol lands and 6 Mox. We can definitely replace the Sol lands with other type of accel if we deem it best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cire View Post
    Oh, yeah - it's a rough draft with zero playtesting. As for the Sol lands - it's so that we can generate reliably 6 mana by turn 4 (so we can Karn turn 3 and lock turn 4 if need be). So per my heuristic (10 cards drawn searching for 2 copies of Accel (sol or mox)) we should run around 12 copies of accel. So 6 Sol lands and 6 Mox. We can definitely replace the Sol lands with other type of accel if we deem it best.
    I think the main drawback would be the colorless. Not a problem for Karn, but Gideons and Humility need WW.Maybe moxes are better. Hell, even Lotus Petal doesn't look terrible.
    Quote Originally Posted by Weapon X View Post
    The only glass cannon here is the pilot.
    I play decks with a lot of white enchantments, and white isn't even my favorite color.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aedemiel View Post
    I think the main drawback would be the colorless. Not a problem for Karn, but Gideons and Humility need WW.Maybe moxes are better. Hell, even Lotus Petal doesn't look terrible.
    This is my thinking too...I would first try 4 chrome mox, 2 tombs, 1 City. I would shave one library, one bridge, one helm for either the new gideon edict or wog. One of my md tutor targets would be ethersworn canonist too then lots of combo sb hate. I do like the list!
    Quote Originally Posted by Laser Brains View Post
    With the printing of Gigantosaurus, Thrashing Brontodon and Steel Leaf Champion the deck has evolved from good to very competitive. Anyway, give it a few play tests if you are interested and let me know what you think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CptHaddock View Post
    With veteran explorer I know that I 100% will not enjoy a 30 minute grindfest against someone who can barely afford dual lands and believes that their deck can cast a 10 mana 8/8.

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    Interplanar Beacon

    Pretty much completely solves any decks color issues with 'walkers, if that's what you're worried about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by morgan_coke View Post
    Interplanar Beacon

    Pretty much completely solves any decks color issues with 'walkers, if that's what you're worried about.
    Unfortunately, I brought it up a couple posts ago and it was pointed out that it can't produce WW mana.

    Quote Originally Posted by aedemiel View Post
    I think the main drawback would be the colorless. Not a problem for Karn, but Gideons and Humility need WW.Maybe moxes are better. Hell, even Lotus Petal doesn't look terrible.
    Issue with lotus petal is that it doesn't stick around and thus doesn't help get you to both 4 mana turn 3 and 6 mana turn 4.

    Ideally we want to be able to curve out as follows:

    Chalice Plan Helm Plan
    Turn 1 2 W
    Turn 2 1WW 1WW
    Turn 3 2WW 2WW
    Turn 4 6 6

    We could - actually - think about Nobel Hierarch and other mana dorks for the Helm Version?

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    I'm still looking for a clear answer to this:
    Quote Originally Posted by aedemiel View Post
    I might be missing something but unlike others, Gideon Blackblade is a 1/1 under Humility if you played it first right?
    The way I see it is, if you already have Humility in play, Gideon would immediately be a vanilla 1/1 and would not even turn back during your opponent turn.
    I think (I hope) I'm wrong. Is there a judge around?
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    The only glass cannon here is the pilot.
    I play decks with a lot of white enchantments, and white isn't even my favorite color.

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    Re: Oops, All Gideons!

    Quote Originally Posted by aedemiel View Post
    I'm still looking for a clear answer to this:


    The way I see it is, if you already have Humility in play, Gideon would immediately be a vanilla 1/1 and would not even turn back during your opponent turn.
    I think (I hope) I'm wrong. Is there a judge around?
    I'm not a judge but I'm pretty sure Gideon Blackblade would be a destructible vanilla 1/1 and lose all its planeswalker abiliies as long as Humility is in play. It's a big nonbo. Humility is so strong with the other Gideons but not this one.

    Without Humility you need some kind of anti-creature plan. Ghostly Prison slows down attacks, but Griselbrand is a thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FTW View Post
    I'm not a judge but I'm pretty sure Gideon Blackblade would be a destructible vanilla 1/1 and lose all its planeswalker abiliies as long as Humility is in play. It's a big nonbo. Humility is so strong with the other Gideons but not this one.
    Erf... That's terrible... Humility is almost key card.


    Quote Originally Posted by FTW View Post
    Without Humility you need some kind of anti-creature plan. Ghostly Prison slows down attacks, but Griselbrand is a thing.
    I was thinking about this Elephant Grass isn't out of the equation either if we're on a Sylvan Quinn build. it even stops Marit-Lage...
    Quote Originally Posted by Weapon X View Post
    The only glass cannon here is the pilot.
    I play decks with a lot of white enchantments, and white isn't even my favorite color.

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    Re: Oops, All Gideons!

    In the Chaliceless build above, I think leaving Humility in is still okay - it's just a one of and you can cast it despite the dis-synergy if you really need to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cire View Post
    In the Chaliceless build above, I think leaving Humility in is still okay - it's just a one of and you can cast it despite the dis-synergy if you really need to.
    I wouldn't play it as a one-of honestly. I've always played 2 and I probably would play 3 if I could (but this is Legacy and 4 mana is too much). Humility is just too good most of the time and end the game on its own.

    Maybe we just replace Gideon Darkblade with new Karn?
    Quote Originally Posted by Weapon X View Post
    The only glass cannon here is the pilot.
    I play decks with a lot of white enchantments, and white isn't even my favorite color.

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