I think it did as it meant you had the hard-cast Force of Will the next turn (I mean opponent really should have double-wasted first but still....) but anyways, no big deal.
Dack-Thief is one of my favourite interactions so I would love to try this as a build concept start (don't own enough to go for the full deck). What is the minimum number and ratio of Thieves to Dacks you think would work?
The Doomsday Codex
We're catching bullets in our teeth,
Its hard to do but they're so sweet.
And if they take a couple out,
We try to work things out.....
Meow.
My first list started with 4 Dacks 2 Thieves, but I'm currently at 2 Dacks, 1 Thief, I wouldn't really go below 2 Dacks, and honestly, I wish I could find room for a third, but there is a bit of a glut at the 3 drop slot.
Yeah saw that too. Nevertheless, deck (dack?) looks fantastic. Feel like sleeving it up.
I took some of the ideas I've gleaned from this thread and made some changes to my deck, based in part on what I expect at GP Santa Clara.
From the list on the front page:
Main
-1 Search for Azcanta
-1 Liliana, the Last Hope
-1 Thoughtseize
-1 Ponder
+1 Tasigur
+1 Collective Brutality
+1 Rise//Fall
+1 Lightning Bolt
SB:
-1 Bitterblossom
-1 Rise//Fall
-1 Invasive Surgery
-1 Duress
+1 Thoughtseize
+1 Force of Will
+1 Hydroblast
+1 Collective Brutality
As you can see, I am trying to hedge more against burn with an additional hydroblast and two collective brutalities. The bolt was because I wanted one more clean answer to Leo, and I like having access to bolt. This felt like a lot of changes, but so far I am happy with them. I think these changes are for the best, because the worse matchups gain significant points, and the lost points are small, and largely to already strong matchups.
Edit: I have played two leagues with this build now and am 9-1. My thoughts are:
Brutality is kind of meh against things that aren't burn or delver but I don't want to cut it. Maybe I will move it to the board and bring the 4th force main.
Tasigur giving raw cards for brainstorm and Dack is cool, even if they give you junk.
I'm repeatedly happy with how Rise//Fall plays in this deck against a wide variety of decks, and it remains easier to cast than hymn.
Last edited by Stryfo; 11-09-2017 at 08:51 AM.
I tested out rise//fall after your suggestion, seems decent in the combo matchup which is something I'm looking to improve. Also had an interesting play against reanimator where I bounced a creature from his grave and a creature he had in play. while I don't expect that to come up much I think that it is a good flex spot for right now and will catch many players off guard.
I think one of the more powerful aspects of the deck is the fact that people seem to have a hard time figuring out what to do against the deck. they either try to oversideboard to fight the graveyard or they lean to heavily on things like chalice/blood moon/leovold to try to get them there.
@itrytostorm:
I'm happy to include my sideboarding advice, in fact, I did so for some matchups in an earlier post. I'll put all of this information together in the original post.
For those interested in seeing how this deck generally plays, I'm going to stream the Legacy Challenge around 8:00am PST today with my most recent list, I'd love it if you came and joined =)
twitch.tv/stryfo
This is where I'm at currently:
4x Deathrite Shaman
3x Baleful Strix
1x Leovold, Emissary of Trest
3x Snapcaster Mage
1x Chandra, Torch of Defiance
1x Jace, the Mind Sculptor
1x Liliana of the Veil
2x Dack Fayden
4x Brainstorm
1x Diabolic Edict
1x Fatal Push
1x Lightning Bolt
4x Force of Will
1x Kolaghan's Command
3x Ponder
3x Punishing Fire
2x Rise//Fall
1x Thoughtseize
1x Toxic Deluge
1x Spell pierce
1x Badlands
3x Grove of the Burnwillows
2x Island
4x Polluted Delta
4x Scalding Tarn
1x Swamp
1x Tropical Island
3x Underground Sea
2x Volcanic Island
SB:
1x Sylvan Library
1x Diabolic Edict
1x Hydroblast
1x Notion Thief
1x Nihil Spellbomb
1x Pernicious Deed
1x Phyrexian Revoker
1x Pulse of Murasa
2x Pyroblast
2x Collective Brutality
1x Surgical Extraction
2x Thoughtseize
Not sure about the spell pierce main, but it has been ok.
Anyone know if there is a Discord group for either this and/or general Grixis control/thieves etc..?
Hi Stryfo!
Thanks for sharing this spicy list, i love it.
I've found it here: https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/984707#paper and i'm considering to give it a spin in real :)
Just some random question:
- why Phyrexian Revoker over Spyglasses ?
It seems more a control card here and you do not want it to be removed so easily. Spyglasses give us information about the opponent's hand which is not irrelevant for a control deck. It also blocks thespian stage, wasteland, karakas for leovold, port, etc etc.
- why Ob Nixilis Reignited ?
In which matchups you think is good?
I think a 5 mana spells should be more impactful :P
Bye and thanks again!
I've had the chance to take the current version of this deck out a couple of times for LGS weekly events (no IQs or Premier Events yet). Getting the hang of Dack has been a learning curve for me, but I like how he can either generate "free" draws with Punishing Fire discards or clear chaff off the top of the deck post-Ponder or Brainstorm.
Chandra has been A+ for me. The 4cc is relevant, and it's been helpful to hold it back from counters and to clear out the creatures before jamming it so that it sticks around and does work.
I've been owned a couple times by Storm, mostly due to suboptimal sideboarding by me and some unfortunate mulligans. Stryfo's sideboarding guide in this thread should help remedy that for future matches, although I do feel like it's a matchup that I'll need to dodge in bigger events.
Pernicious Deed is NOT what they are expecting against True-Name Nemesis. I've been very happy with the versatility of that card!
The Storm player pointed out to me that Pulse of Murasa is live in that matchup - if they cast Infernal Tutor as their last card and hold priority to crack Lion's Eye Diamond, you can respond after the crack to put a land back into their hand
Regarding phyrexian revoker: it is there as a hate bear against combo, with mild applications against moon stompy. None of these decks play much removal for it, and when they do, it’s largely removal that can also hit spyglass. The draw for me is that revoker can name LED and lotus petal and presents a clock(this being particularly relevant).
Ob nixilis is admittedly the flex spot of the deck, I wanted my 75th card to be a bomb in control mirrors, and as such, it had to check several boxes:
1)non-blue (bonus points for non-red)
2)non-creature
3)4+ cmc
I came to the conclusion from these that I should play either a second Chandra or an ob nixilis. I ended up leaning towards ob nixilis because he doesn’t get blue blasted. Though really, any engine that satisfies the above criteria could be worth testing. Ob nixilis has been pretty good for me though, it’s a bomb in the matchups you need a bomb.
Well,
with such constraints i can just propose a couple planesawalker, i guess:
Nissa, Steward of Elements
It's blue but it has a flexible curve (you can play it with DRS at turn 2)
All 3 abilities are relevant.
or
Vraska the Unseen
A long time ago she has been played in BUG variants.
The destroy ability is a catch all answer. Ultimate should do its job.
Not a fan of both, just some idea thrown on the table.
Hey all, I have been looking at this deck for a bit now, and have decided to take the plunge and build it. I was wondering if there are any updates in regards to matches, or any words of wisdom anyone has to offer.
Thanks!
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