A Nic Fit deck generally can wipe the floor with Delver decks. Plugging in 8x Rectors that can each grab artillery off of a Show and tell to nullify Griselbrand or Emrakuls (Sandwurm Convergence), or fetch out massive Walkers against Miracles that already have trouble with Garruk Relentless (Garruk, Apex Predator or Big Karn). It isn't restricted by something like Karakas on the field when you can just tutor up a Turn 2 board wipe on a...not stick...against DnT (Ugin). Not sure about the Lands tools for walkers, although there's still Cruel Reality or Overwhelming Splendor that Lands cannot beat. Ugin of course does double duty against Red Stompy by being colorless and capable of cleaning out all the Moons.
Little harder to accomplish than Show and Skill for GriselApe, for sure, but the deck can pack enough ways to get a Rector out and sack outlet online. I think the deck can get flexibility advantages.
In my brief playing of Nyx Fit, you can have difficulty closing the game when you can't find Academy Rector. That's one reason they included Evolutionary Leap. Putting in Arena Rectors to double the bomb fetchers seems very promising. I think put in enough nukes in the deck and you can overload a lot of countermeasures...at the expense of loading the deck with a bunch of garbage though.
The Storm combo match up is still terrible unless you go Blue for Force of Will, of course.
You don't necessarily just need spotremoval. 4 spotremoval + 3 sweepers works just fine, especially when combined with stuff like Mirri's Guile or Sylvan Library to manipulate the top of your library. Between the fetchlands and GSZs you have a lot of shuffle effects, so you'll probably see more cards than the average blue deck. That way you can just cherrypick whatever you need (generally speaking).
Yes sweepers works of course. 7 in total sound fine, that was what i was getting at.
Yes the selection is a green deck is usually fine as long as you draw your selection cards. I play 3 mirri and about 13 shuffle-effects, so theres a bit of inbalance there. No mirri in opening hand means no selection no mater how many shuffflers i draw. Perhabs i should run 4 mirri.
Ok so Arena Rector is high potential. One that caught my attention that isn't as obvious is Pir, Imaginative Rascal and Toothy, Imaginary Friend.
You can get Pir with Green Sun's Zenith, then you get a Toothy in hand (blue card) so you can get your FoW online with a GSZ. Pir is essentially a stronger constrictor that negates the drawback that certain sagas have (Flame of Keld) because it places an extra counter on it INSTEAD. So no discard your hand with Pir and Flame. It also works on ALL permanents. Useful with walking ballista, Jace (+0 ability gives +3/+3 on Toothy and 3 cards when it dies, +4/+4 with Pir in play), but also useful with cards like Umezawa's Jitte.
Toothy is also an interesting card because it works well with brainstorm. It is potentially a grindy finisher that can draw you a lot of cards, OR you just replace a toothy that you just got with Pir for FoW or Brainstorm, leading you to no card disadvantage. Toothy triggers also on exile or bounce (Jace -1 to draw you into gas).
re:Toothy, Lorescale Coatl is a card.
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Originally Posted by Lemnear
Chasm Skulker is probably much better than Lorescale Coatl (you get a really good death trigger in exchange for starting as a 1/1 rather than a 2/2 and not requiring a 2nd colour)
The trigger on Toothy is probably better (drawing cards is usually better than making 1/1s and it's a leaves play trigger rather than 'dies'), but Toothy costs 1 mana extra and 4 vs 3 is a pretty big difference
If "GSZ A blue card into your hand" was so desirable then people would have probably found a way to do it with Fierce Empath or something and Pir is really not a good card
Ok, this card has to fit somewhere. Just saying.
Wouldn't Spellseeker be even better in Vintage, given stuff like Ancestral, Time Walk and Demonic Tutor?
As an old Vintage player: I can't even see it relevant, if you have Demonic, Mystical, Merchant Scroll, Vampric and Imperial already.
In Legacy, it has to compete with an established core. 3cc is a lot for a Tutor effect and running it to fetch your usual 1cc MD 4-offs seems counterintuitive. Edit: I admit it interacts well with Therapy.
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Any ideas which decks could use this?
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