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    Quote Originally Posted by morgan_coke View Post
    So there's currently a bug locking people completely out of their accounts in the Beta. From what folks can tell, it's also severely reduced the amount of Gems (paid cash currency) and Gold (free-to-play currency) on their accounts. This is the WotC response:



    Seriously. The FUCK?!? Is the "extra good time" a handy? A free pack? Goddamned incredible. You're got a fair number of players - many of whom are paying for this shit, locked out for nearly a week, and from what they can tell, having lost real money to the vaporizer machine, and THAT'S your answer?

    Fucking incredible.

    Again, I just have to ask, HOW ARE YOU SO BAD AT THIS?
    ITS A BETA.

    Hell, it's not even in open beta, it's still closed beta. This is when shit like this is supposed to happen. The whole point of beta testing is to identify shit like this before you go live.

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    My problem isn't the bug, it's the response. Agreed closed Beta is when you get shit like this figured out.

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    ITS A BETA.

    Hell, it's not even in open beta, it's still closed beta. This is when shit like this is supposed to happen. The whole point of beta testing is to identify shit like this before you go live.
    The actual difference between being "in beta" or "live" is hard to grasp if you charge people for playing
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    Quote Originally Posted by morgan_coke View Post
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    My problem isn't the bug, it's the response. Agreed closed Beta is when you get shit like this figured out.

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    To me, it seems like the only problem with that response is, "We’ll be working to make sure you have an extra good time when the update hits on Thursday." Which is a pretty dumb thing to say in that context.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemnear View Post
    The actual difference between being "in beta" or "live" is hard to grasp if you charge people for playing
    This.

    Quote Originally Posted by rufus View Post
    To me, it seems like the only problem with that response is, "We’ll be working to make sure you have an extra good time when the update hits on Thursday." Which is a pretty dumb thing to say in that context.
    They're WotC, incompetence runs in their blood.

    One step closer to Arena crashing and burning.

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    Is it possible WotC will discontinue paper Magic and move to the digital platform ONLY after the release?
    The same way Blizzard did with Hearthstone and WoW tcg.

    Pros.
    1. Easier access to the client
    2. Easier to restrict/ban/errata cards
    3. No problem with card production/quality
    4. No cheats
    5. Tournament cost reduction (GP & Pro Tours can be made online)
    6. Huge influx of new players
    7. No card leaks
    Cons.
    1. Current cards become worthless
    2. Companies preying on RL cards are dead
    3. Paper Mtg becomes an nostalgic Old Man game you play in a pub.

    Am I the only one who thinks it will be a great way to celebrate 25 years of Mtg ?
    Any other thoughts about it?

    I am not discussing how good/bad Arena will be (Pay to win, server issues, game lags, etc.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matsu View Post
    Is it possible WotC will discontinue paper Magic and move to the digital platform ONLY after the release?
    The same way Blizzard did with Hearthstone and WoW tcg.

    Pros.
    1. Easier access to the client
    2. Easier to restrict/ban/errata cards
    3. No problem with card production/quality
    4. No cheats
    5. Tournament cost reduction (GP & Pro Tours can be made online)
    6. Huge influx of new players
    7. No card leaks
    Cons.
    1. Current cards become worthless
    2. Companies preying on RL cards are dead
    3. Paper Mtg becomes an nostalgic Old Man game you play in a pub.

    Am I the only one who thinks it will be a great way to celebrate 25 years of Mtg ?
    Any other thoughts about it?

    I am not discussing how good/bad Arena will be (Pay to win, server issues, game lags, etc.)
    While this all sounds great to move the game from physical cards to online with all the benefits for erata, tournament Organisation, secondary market, etc. it would put MTG in direct competition with Hearthstone, Gwent & Co with a digital department and game designers still stuck in 2002. They would crash & burn. The physical game is all what keeps the brand alive.

    The moment the remaining MTG players rather open an app at the pool with a longdrink next to them, rather than going to a shabby store to play physical cards, will be the very end for MTG
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    Re: MTG Arena

    Quote Originally Posted by Lemnear View Post
    While this all sounds great to move the game from physical cards to online with all the benefits for erata, tournament Organisation, secondary market, etc. it would put MTG in direct competition with Hearthstone, Gwent & Co with a digital department and game designers still stuck in 2002. They would crash & burn. The physical game is all what keeps the brand alive.

    The moment the remaining MTG players rather open an app at the pool with a longdrink next to them, rather than going to a shabby store to play physical cards, will be the very end for MTG
    As someone whose only motivation to keep playing the game is for the social aspect at this point it would be awful to see paper discontinued. There would be MASSIVE backlash I'd like to think by stores and players.
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    They make more on the paper game than digital. They're not going to scrap the successful half of their operation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by morgan_coke View Post
    They make more on the paper game than digital. They're not going to scrap the successful half of their operation.
    I am not sure about the revenue from MtG paper, but after seeing this (below). I am curious how close paper MtG against HS digital is.

    Info from wiki:
    On May 6, 2015, Activision Blizzard announced that Hearthstone and Destiny have generated nearly $US1 billion in revenue for the company.[119] According to SuperData Research, in June 2015 Hearthstone generated about $20 million in revenue during that month.[120]

    Even if HS is only 20% of 1 billion USD, i still think Hasbro might be tempted to do the move.
    In fact at the moment we have HS, maybe Eternal, Gwent is not yet release and market competition might be health for the game and lets not forget Artifact designed by the mighty R.Garfield.

    I am not advocating they should do it. I am more interested, why they should not do it?
    I think based on revenue of HS and the price pool for pro players (1 million USD in one tournament at the beginning of this year) if we compare it to the incoming Beta Draft, it looks miserable.

    I would prefer as a company to have a digital platform to reach more clients and the better i perform (as a game) the more new people I can attract.

    But i totally understand that WotC is made of concrete people form the 90'. We can easily see it how they treat the game.

    @Lemnear:
    I had the opportunity to play a HS tournament at a Pub, it was good fun and we socialise without a problem. You have to add your opponent as a friend to play against him. So you can keep a contact to him in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matsu View Post
    @Lemnear:
    I had the opportunity to play a HS tournament at a Pub, it was good fun and we socialise without a problem. You have to add your opponent as a friend to play against him. So you can keep a contact to him in the future.
    It's an option to retain the social aspect, i guess. Would say, that's stripping MTG from another argument it had over HS.

    P.S. Isn't Pokemon doing something similar in regards to tournaments/world cup/whatever?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matsu View Post
    Is it possible WotC will discontinue paper Magic and move to the digital platform ONLY after the release?
    The same way Blizzard did with Hearthstone and WoW tcg.

    Pros.
    1. Easier access to the client
    2. Easier to restrict/ban/errata cards
    3. No problem with card production/quality
    4. No cheats
    5. Tournament cost reduction (GP & Pro Tours can be made online)
    6. Huge influx of new players
    7. No card leaks
    Cons.
    1. Current cards become worthless
    2. Companies preying on RL cards are dead
    3. Paper Mtg becomes an nostalgic Old Man game you play in a pub.

    Am I the only one who thinks it will be a great way to celebrate 25 years of Mtg ?
    Any other thoughts about it?

    I am not discussing how good/bad Arena will be (Pay to win, server issues, game lags, etc.)
    Main difference is that Blizzard is a competent digital game developer. WotC, on the contrary, is a bunch of incompetent chucklefucks. Going digital only would ruin the company in record time as they don't know what the fuck they're doing. See: Arena - they're only poorly copying a successful concept without understanding why it's working.

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    My favorite part of this current account lockout mess is that they had the ability to fix it when it happened by pushing the patch early, and they DID do that for streamers that got locked out, but they left the bulk of the beta players to just wait until today because... eh, it's a beta, fuck'em.

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    Apparently coming out of the update there's a new bug stopping people from being able to log in. 4 posts on the beta forums in the last 30 minutes about it from different people. No official response yet. Fucking incredible.

    I feel so bad for people who've been spending real money on this game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matsu View Post
    Is it possible WotC will discontinue paper Magic and move to the digital platform ONLY after the release?
    The same way Blizzard did with Hearthstone and WoW tcg.

    Pros.
    1. Easier access to the client
    2. Easier to restrict/ban/errata cards
    3. No problem with card production/quality
    4. No cheats
    5. Tournament cost reduction (GP & Pro Tours can be made online)
    6. Huge influx of new players
    7. No card leaks
    Cons.
    1. Current cards become worthless
    2. Companies preying on RL cards are dead
    3. Paper Mtg becomes an nostalgic Old Man game you play in a pub.

    Am I the only one who thinks it will be a great way to celebrate 25 years of Mtg ?
    Any other thoughts about it?

    I am not discussing how good/bad Arena will be (Pay to win, server issues, game lags, etc.)
    Consider that WOTC have had more than 2 decades worth of development into a digital client and what they have to show for it (mtgo and arena), they don't have the means, knowledge or desire to make a compelling digital product. Plus, there is a social/ communal aspect to paper that wouldn't survive the transition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by morgan_coke View Post
    Apparently coming out of the update there's a new bug stopping people from being able to log in. 4 posts on the beta forums in the last 30 minutes about it from different people. No official response yet. Fucking incredible.

    I feel so bad for people who've been spending real money on this game.
    I am so happy i do not participate in this farce.

    @phonics
    I will not count two decades, because 20 years ago no one was thinking about having something like a mobile phone and the ability to communicate with the whole world and play games with the whole world.

    I never played MTGO or Arena, the only way i played MtG on a computer was the MicroProse game from 1997. We had a great fun with my little brother.

    When i came back to MtG after a 12 years hiatus the shopkeeper told me that the recent huge influx of players happened thanks to Duel of the Planeswalker video game.
    Young people were attracted by the game, but wanted to experience more.
    I never played DotP, but i heard it is a good platform to learn MtG and according to wiki they made this game since 2012, so 2 years before Hearthstone started to dominate the Virtual-CCG market.

    Based on Social events I though everyone want to socialise via fb, twitter or instagram and speaking someone face to face starts to be less and less popular. At least this is my impression when i speak to younger people then me. Look at the people on this forum, i can assure you most of the users play paper MtG once or twice a week. MtGo opens the doors to play more often, to compare, in my bus in the morning there is a guy who plays HS, every morning.

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    I wouldnt be so sure that most users here play paper regularly, let alone weekly. The last time I played physical mtg has been 3years ago. Partly because the legacy scene died, but partly because our local mtg community is a bunch of hyperactive morons. Im glad im able to play mtg online, although I mostly use xmage these days, because mtgo doesnt support cube drafts.

    That said, I think the digital versions of magic are always just a promotion for the paper cards, because the way magic works, itll never be as fluid digital as it is irl.

    10 years from now i can see both worlds merge and we get some kind of digital paper cards that communicate via wifi
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    They'll never move from paper, which is good. Turns out magic is kind of a shit game without shortcutting.

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    I have five beta key codes to give away if anyone wants in on Arena. PM me or reply here in thread.

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    Is it still PC only?
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