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    While optimizing my deck, I'd like to hear from people who has experience in using Lion's Eye Diamond.
    It's potential to cast Lattice or activate Grindstone is hard to overestimate.
    I can also imagine dumping my hand while Karn grabs Ensnaring Bridge to cast it immediatelly...

    ...but how important that card is, because I don't see it in every build?
    How many copies would you reccomend in MD and SB?
    Is it crucial for fast combo win?

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    @Drude, I took a look at your list, looks fun and I look forward to a stream, couple of questions,

    - The 8 goblins must be felt in almost every round, does it have a benefit or do you find your flooded hoping for a different card? I can see value though.
    - Are the extra great furnace worth it with so many wasteland around and Karn...?
    - The quasi reanimater line with sundering titan, why not just go blightsteel colossus? Weld it in response to the shuffle trigger, putting a game winner on the battlefield. And it serves as to confuse the hell out of opposing grindstone players.
    - I prefer the looter scooter especially good with et in getting goodies in the yard.
    - Iíve always played powder keg instead of ratchet bomb, it doesnít tap to load. It limits its kill to creatures and artifacts but isnít that the whole point of it anyway?

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    Re: [Deck] Strawberry Shortcake

    @Jungian Thing: regarding Colossus, you can't weld it in because it's a replacement effect so it never enters the graveyard at all. Otherwise it would be the no 1 welder target.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pettdan View Post
    @Jungian Thing: regarding Colossus, you can't weld it in because it's a replacement effect so it never enters the graveyard at all. Otherwise it would be the no 1 welder target.
    Good point!

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    Re: [Deck] Strawberry Shortcake

    Already posted this on discord. And already brewing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drude1 View Post
    Wha? First, name another artifact in this deck that you get with a turn 1 welder into a turn 2 engineer that's an "auto win"? One of the combo pieces? A bridge? The only thing that's maybe close is canonist against storm. Your are getting a little warmer with the mind slaver suggestion but it costs 4 to activate, so nope.

    Wurmcoil is certainly reasonable, but 1 StP completely negates it. That's the only thing I don't like about it. It might be right though in a burn or aggro heavy meta. The nice thing about titan is that, even against a StP deck titan will still take out multiple lands...2 coming in and 2 going out. That's petty good. StP can't really ever exile trial since trisk can just kill itself.

    I'll post my list tomorrow.

    Hey didn't mean to come off as a prick. Was just trying to point out that the power come from Welder into Engineer, not necessarily Titan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drude1 View Post
    Already posted this on discord. And already brewing.
    This card is bananas. Its just 3 mana DT+ with Welder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unehru View Post
    I'm really happy with main deck Lightning Bolts as they help stabilize games or deal with pesky PW. They occasionally secure victory when on the beatdown plan as well.
    I'm thinking to play 4x maindeck Lightning Bolt and 2x Pyrokinesis in the sideboard. Why a lot of players still doesn't play Lightning Bolt in the maindeck? I remember that old Imperial Painter lists run 4 Lightning Bolt, like the GP decklist of Kim Grymer. With all these Delver decks, it can be a good choice. I hate Dreadhorde Arcanist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex_UNLIMITED View Post
    I'm thinking to play 4x maindeck Lightning Bolt and 2x Pyrokinesis in the sideboard. Why a lot of players still doesn't play Lightning Bolt in the maindeck? I remember that old Imperial Painter lists run 4 Lightning Bolt, like the GP decklist of Kim Grymer. With all these Delver decks, it can be a good choice. I hate Dreadhorde Arcanist.
    Lightning Bolt hasn't been played in a while. It was just recently reintroduced as a 4-of in the sideboard, primarily to help deal with planeswalkers and Dreadhorde Arcanist.
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    Re: [Deck] Strawberry Shortcake

    Quote Originally Posted by Alex_UNLIMITED View Post
    Why a lot of players still doesn't play Lightning Bolt in the maindeck?
    I dont like it in the maindeck because it might incentivize me to keep a bad hand. G1 in the complete blind, I need to have a game plan and execute that plan. Theres no deck manipulation or cantrips to pivot my gameplan if I see my opponent isnt doing what I thought. I feel like the main goal of Shortcake should be to combo their face in, especially G1 when the opponent doesnt have nearly as many answers as they will G2. Given that, Lightning Bolt doesnt help me combo out, which means I personally want it on the side so i dont talk myself into keeping a hand with Bolts and find out my opponent is on Belcher and I'm just too slow.

    G2 though I can know if my opponent is slower and if Bolt is useful, and can bring it in and potentially prioritize a hand that can cast it.

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    Re: [Deck] Strawberry Shortcake

    Would anybody be so kind to provide an invite to the Discord?
    All latest links seem to have expired.

    Thanks a lot!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spigore View Post
    Would anybody be so kind to provide an invite to the Discord?
    All latest links seem to have expired.

    Thanks a lot!
    https://discord.gg/aJt3G9

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    Shoot! I think I've missed it again. The link is not working.

    Could you try again papasmurf?

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    Here is my list for GP Atlanta. This was my first GP. I've been playing some sort of painter for about 6 years. My goal for the GP was to go at least 4-4. I ran hot day 1 and went 8-1 then I went 0-3 on day 2.

    Main Deck:
    3 Auriok Salvagers
    4 Goblin Engineer
    3 Goblin Welder
    3 Imperial Recruiter
    3 Painter's Servant
    1 Walking Ballista
    4 Karn, the Great Creator
    3 Grindstone
    3 Lion's Eye Diamond
    2 Lodestone Bauble
    4 Lotus Petal
    4 Mishra's Bauble
    3 Mox Opal
    4 Ancient Tomb
    4 Arid Mesa
    3 City of Traitors
    2 Great Furnace
    3 Mountain
    1 Plains
    2 Plateau
    1 Sunbaked Canyon

    Sideboard:
    2 Daretti, Scrap Savant
    1 Ensnaring Bridge
    1 Ethersworn Canonist
    1 Grindstone
    1 Inkwell Leviathan
    1 Lion's Eye Diamond
    1 Mycosynth Lattice
    1 Painter's Servant
    1 Surgical Extraction
    2 Tormod's Crypt
    1 Walking Ballista
    2 Wear // Tear

    Round 1: Death and Taxes
    -Game 1: Win with the bomberman combo (walking ballista).
    -Game 2: Win via grindstone/painter. They played both Thalias and a prelate on 4. They misplayed when getting a sword of fire and ice with stone forge. I had a painter in play naming blue, They did not know the interaction. I side boarded in both wear/tears for an opal and Mishra's bauble.

    1-0

    Round 2: High tide
    -Game 1: I assemble a quick turn 2 or 3 combo. I did not realize that he was on high tide until this point. Also I did not know high tide ran an emrakul. He then combos for about 15ish minutes and mills me out with brain freeze. In my upkeep I weld a lodestone bauble into play and put 3 basics on top of my library. I win later that turn with the bomberman combo (walking ballista).
    -Game 2: Win via grindstone/painter in turns. This involved some welder shenanigans and Karn to grab a crypt. Sideboard in 1 crypt and a surgical. Sided out a opal and not sure what else.

    2-0

    Round 3: Mono Red Prison
    -Game 1: Loss to a quick Karn and trinisphere. Scooped to conceal info.
    -Game 2: Win with a quick grindstone/painter kill. Sided in 2 wear/tear.
    -Game 3: Win, this was a weird one that I probably should have lost. A few turns in I have a Karn and an imperial recruiter in play and they have a Karn and trinisphere. They decide to fetch and play a lattice, I guess he forgot I had the recruiter in play. 14 turns later I win on 1/1 beats.

    3-0

    Round 4: Mono Red Prison
    -Game 1: Turn 2 win with grindstone/painter/LED
    -Game 2: Win. He got an early chalice on 1 out, but I was able to win via the bomberman combo using lodestone bauble. again sided in 2 wear/tear.

    4-0

    Round 5: Eldrazi
    -Game 1: Win via grindstone
    -Game 2: I had to explain to my opponent the interaction between eye of ugin/eldrazi temple and painter. I assembled the combo relatively quickly but he had a blast zone on 2. After being in a stalemate for awhile, I was able to win with bomberman combo (lodestone bauble). brought in 2 wear/tear again.

    5-0

    Round 6: ANT
    -Game 1 and 2: They had the turn 2 combo both games. I had turn 3 kills lined up.

    5-1

    Round 7: Hypergenesis
    -Game 1: He was stuck on lands and scooped to the grindstone combo in order to not show his deck. I'm not sure why he scooped as he had 4 emrakuls in his main deck.
    -Game 2: Loss. On turn 2 he cascaded into a hypergensis put a omniscience into play then cast an emrakul. Brought in surgical/crypt
    -Game 3: Win. He cascaded turn 3 into an omniscience but no emrakul or griselbrand this time. I was able to play Karn then bridge on my turn. Then I lattice locked him (he could still use omniscience). Eventually use Karn to fetch grindstone, painter and crypt.

    6-1

    Round 8: Bomberman
    -Game 1: Win. I play a turn 2 Karn then grindstone/painter a turn or 2 later.
    -Game 2: Loss, He turn 1 chalice on 1, turn 2 Karn, then combos in the next turn.
    -Game 3: Wii, Again I play a turn 2 Karn then win with grindstone/painter.

    7-1

    Round 9: Hogaak BUG
    -Game 1: Win turn 2 grindstone/painter kill
    -Game 2: Win. I play a welder turn 1, turn 2 he thoughseizes and takes the salvager over Karn. I end up getting the combo over the next 2 turns and draw an LED to win.

    8-1

    Round 10 (Sunday): UR Delver
    -Game 1: Loss. I'm on the draw, I play a great furnace, welder, and opal. He casts his main deck abrade on my furnace. Turn 2 I play a plains, but miss the line where I should have welded the opal for the furnace. He was out of interaction but killed me the turn before I could have won with grindstone/painter.
    -Game 2: Loss. I was stuck on 2 lands with lots of engineers. He had multiple bolts/abrades/burst lightnings with an arcanist and TNN.

    8-2

    Round 11: Mono Red Prison
    -Game 1: Win Grindstone/painter. Used an engineer to get around a chalice on 1 to win.
    -Game 2: Loss. He cast a turn 1 rabblemaster followed up by a turn 2 trinisphere.
    -Game 3: Loss. He cast a turn 1 Karn and then got a liquimetal coating turn 2.

    8-3

    Round 12: Maverick splashing black.
    -Game 1: Win with grindstone
    -Game 2: Loss. He casts a greens sun for 2 for a ouphe. He killed me with a knight of a reliquary and tireless tracker.
    -Game 3: Loss. Game is pretty even, I draw my Inkwell with an LED in play. Next turn a cast a welder. He cast greens sun for 2 likely to get an ouphe, So I crack the led to discard the inkwell, he then gets a scavenging ooze instead. between 3 hierarch and a pride mage his beat down clock is pretty quick. .

    8-4

    That is where my day ended. I probably stopped prematurely but I had plans with my family for Sunday afternoon. Had I stayed in contention for top 8 I would have kept going but sadly I did not. I definitely did not play as crisply on Sunday. The deck felt strong, but I did not see any Grixis, 4C control, reanimater, or sneak and show. I only saw 3 Force of will decks in 12 rounds. Fast combo is a bad match up, but I only saw that once (ANT). The numbers in the main deck feel good. I'm still not sure on the daretti package int he sideboard. I likely need a way to get opposing Karns of the table. I will likely replace them with a crater maker, another crypt and that new glass casket card. A strength of the deck is that opponents aren't expecting both combos. It just keeps throwing must answer hay-makers. The diversity of threats makes hate cards like surgical and chalice worse.

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    Re: [Deck] Strawberry Shortcake

    Bomberman has disruption/anti-hate in the form of Karakas, Cavern of Souls, and Chalice of the Void. Shortcake interacts via 6 blasts with more interaction in the board. Both decks also have decent beatdown plans.

    Your amalgam has none of those. Did you feel the void of those missing components?
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    Re: [Deck] Strawberry Shortcake

    Quote Originally Posted by Spigore View Post
    Shoot! I think I've missed it again. The link is not working.

    Could you try again papasmurf?
    https://discord.gg/4bnNgB4 attempt 2

    If that doesnt work, the mtglegacy reddit has a list of discords on the sidebar and the main Legacy discord they have also has the full list of known discords

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