Tinkered with my build tonight at a FNM, played four rounds going 2-2 beating UB reanimator & burn, losing to Ice Station Zebra (Depths Tinfins) & 4c Loam.
Changes:
-4 Probe
+3 Unmask +1 Unburial Rites
SB:
1 Tendrils
3 Silent Gravestone
1 Chain of Vapor
1 Echoing Truth
3 Thopter Foundry
2 Sword of the Meek
3 Stoneforge Mystic
1 Batterskull
We were discussing creature plans in the Discord when I mentioned that I was wanting to try a board with Thopter/Sword, since I impulse bought Chinese Foundries and a Russian Sword a few months back, as you can Entomb for the Sword and have Petal and LED to get the engine going, when .dk suggested SFM+Batterskull. After checking my notes, I noticed that 80% of my matches involve boarding in bounce+gravestone, with a few times boarding in Serenity or Silence, so I figured I could get away with something cheesy for an FNM.
I only boarded the plan in against Burn, as a quick Batterskull or Foundry Combo can lock them out of the game, especially since I won g1.
I lost g2 without seeing a reanimation spell or SFM (had griselbrand in the yard and shredded him with discard), but g3 I had the nuts. Opening hand was LED, double fetch, SFM, Foundry, Cabal Therapy, Cabal Ritual. Plan was to fetch batterskull and win out. T1 blind therapy for Guide, whiff and see Rift Boltx2, Swiftspear, Lava Spike, Mountains. He top decks Guide, and on top I have a Petal- this changes my game plan. I draw petal, then cast SFM, fetched for Sword of the Meek. Then, I flashback Therapy to nab both Rift Bolts. T3 I cast Foundry, play Petal and LED. Crack LED to discard Sword. Use LED mana to sac Petal, end up with 3 tokens. After a couple of tense turns, I draw another LED and end up getting ahead on board and winning.
Was pretty much the best possible draw for the combo, although some number of rituals could have powered it out a turn faster.
Other deck thoughts: I was inspired by a Tinfins list from a Japanese tournament that played no Probe, 9 discard, and Spellseeker, and decided to cut Probe for more discard spells. Unburial Rites was played once and was very good. Having more discard was very helpful, since it let me power through hate a lot better.
Next event I'm going to play a more stock list with Spellseeker to give it a shot, as it grabs everything beyond CD, MA, and PiF, and Unmask if I decide to play it.
I'm kind of hoping for a Probe ban, because I feel like the free info is really good to the point where playing less than 4 isn't ideal, but it comes at the cost of other random spells we could play. Having 3 more discard spells helped negate the loss of info. Need to test more.
Tinfins & Bizarro Stormy & Belcher & DDFT
@acclimation6 on twitter
Back to back t1 kills at SCG STL 2013:
https://youtu.be/kk3crCPsNLg
I feel you on probe. On one hand i think it's so busted every deck should play it. Like, if you can't leverage the info in some way, you're playing a bad deck.
But in this deck, the info is useful, but it kinda dillutes both griselbrand draw sevens and magus flips. Drawing one for 2 life is a bad deal with Griz on the battlefield.
My initial build thoughts post Probe ban:
-4 Probe
+1 Ponder (4th Ponder)
+1-2 Discard (7-8 slots)
+1 Unburial Rites
or
+1 Cabal Ritual
I'm not sure if I would make any changes to the sideboard, as Gravestone is still good value, as I would imagine more Surgical or Faerie Macabre or Reanimator for the short term while people figure out the new best deck.
I'm thinking that this discard package is where I'm going to start:
4 Thoughtseize
2 Collective Brutality
1 Cabal Therapy
CoBru loses some value, as I really liked it for hitting DRS in g1. Still gets rid of Thalia, Eidolon, etc, so it's still worth having at least 2.
Happy Brewing, everyone!
https://youtu.be/Lw-jmQD1404
Tinfins & Bizarro Stormy & Belcher & DDFT
@acclimation6 on twitter
Back to back t1 kills at SCG STL 2013:
https://youtu.be/kk3crCPsNLg
Primer updated with some initial updates regarding the Gitaxian Probe and Deathrite Shaman bans. Primary edits were around the decklist at the top, Thoughtseize, and Collective Brutality sections.
Another primer update - this one includes a Burning Wish shell under the Burning Wish section. Turns out without probe, that frees up slots for Burning Wish. Might be more viable now?
4 Brainstorm
3 Cabal Ritual
1 Cabal Therapy
2 Collective Brutality
2 Corpse Dance
4 Entomb
3 Griselbrand
3 Lion's Eye Diamond
4 Lotus Petal
1 Magus of the Mind
1 Past in Flames
4 Ponder
4 Shallow Grave
4 Thoughtseize
4 Dark Ritual
3 Burning Wish
1 Flex slot (Extra discard, Preordain, 4th Wish, etc)
4 Polluted Delta
4 Bloodstained Mire
2 Underground Sea
1 Badlands
1 Volcanic Island
1 Swamp
1 Island
SB:
1 Tendrils of Agony
1 Past in Flames
1 Infernal Tutor
1 Exhume
3 Empty the Warrens
2 Abrade
2 Silent Gravestone
2 Chain of vapor
2 Flex
hey,
i was wondering about something that has been near and dear to my heart for some time now:
Is there a high res version of the banner? I would love to print it to use as a playmat.
kind regards
Let me check - there is somewhere, just need to find it. And ask Richard Cheese for permission. :)
Also, small updates to the primer for videos:
Andrea Mengucci recording with 5C Bizzaro Stormy: https://youtu.be/pY40zl9oMKI
Myself, Acclimation, and thecrav are going to try to record matches vs. decks and publish periodically. Stay tuned...
Is there a reason we wouldn't be using Unmasks now? I think running 1 or 2 would be great to facilitate early wins without mana investment.
Unmask is good as maybe the 8th or 9th discard spell. Since we play a little bit more like a storm deck, exiling cards to pay the alternative cost can be a little steep.
I played Unmask as a 3 of in a build with 6 discard spells and I hated it, but I played it as a 3 of in a build with 9 discard spells and liked it (3 unmask, 3 therapy, 2 cobru, 1 seize).
YMMV, but that's been my experience with the card in this deck.
Tinfins & Bizarro Stormy & Belcher & DDFT
@acclimation6 on twitter
Back to back t1 kills at SCG STL 2013:
https://youtu.be/kk3crCPsNLg
Could you please share one more time your 75 with us? That would be really nice, because I went through the whole thread and couldn't find an up-to-date UBw list (or would it be this one?), and I'd like to give this gorgeous deck a shot right now (I'm usually a Tin Fins player, so I have to try this one! )
Thanks!
Here's a start. No idea how good Silence is - it used to be pretty good vs. Canadian Threshold many moons ago, so we'll see. And no idea if Serenity + Hurkyl's is necessary. Play around with the sideboard and see what works. Also, the 2nd Cabal Therapy maindeck could easily be something else - 2nd Acquisition, Unburial Rites, 3rd Cabal Ritual, 2nd PIF would be cards I would consider there.
4 Flooded Strand
1 Island
4 Polluted Delta
1 Scrubland
1 Swamp
1 Tundra
2 Underground Sea
1 Volcanic Island
4 Brainstorm
2 Cabal Ritual
2 Cabal Therapy
2 Collective Brutality
2 Corpse Dance
4 Dark Ritual
4 Entomb
3 Griselbrand
3 Lion's Eye Diamond
4 Lotus Petal
1 Magus of the Mind
1 Mastermind's Acquisition
1 Past in Flames
4 Ponder
4 Shallow Grave
4 Thoughtseize
Sideboard:
2 Chain of Vapor
2 Hurkyl's Recall
2 Massacre
2 Serenity
3 Silence
3 Silent Gravestone
1 Tendrils of Agony
Yep! That list is my baseline list that I tweak things from. To start off in a Probe-less world, this is where I'm at:
4 Marsh Flats
4 Polluted Delta
1 Swamp
1 Island
1 Scrubland
1 Tundra
2 Underground Sea
4 Brainstorm
4 Ponder
2 Cabal Ritual
4 Dark Ritual
3 Lion's Eye Diamond
4 Lotus Petal
4 Thoughtseize
2 Collective Brutality
1 Cabal Therapy
3 Griselbrand
1 Magus of the Mind
1 Past in Flames
4 Shallow Grave
4 Entomb
2 Corpse Dance
1 Mastermind's Acquisition
2 Flex Slots
Sideboard:
2 Chain of Vapor
2 Massacre
3 Silence
1 Plains
2 Serenity
3 Silent Gravestone
1 Tendrils of Agony
1 Disenchant
I think this next FNM my flex slots are going to be Spellseeker and either Unburial Rites or Preordain, with 1 Unmask or another Cabal Ritual as other options I'm considering.
No sb changes quite yet, as I'm unsure what other people are going to be packing.
Tinfins & Bizarro Stormy & Belcher & DDFT
@acclimation6 on twitter
Back to back t1 kills at SCG STL 2013:
https://youtu.be/kk3crCPsNLg
Good luck!
I'm very interested to see how much Leyline pops up after the unbanning - if it seems to be common enough, that might be reason enough to consider Monastery Mentor in sideboard as we do in Tin Fins from time to time.
Last edited by Acclimation; 07-04-2018 at 07:31 PM. Reason: this is sarcasm, btw
Tinfins & Bizarro Stormy & Belcher & DDFT
@acclimation6 on twitter
Back to back t1 kills at SCG STL 2013:
https://youtu.be/kk3crCPsNLg
Does the ban change how much we want collective brutality? Without deathrites to kill it looks a lot less appealing, though looking at the other options there might not be anything better after you've maxed out on thoughtseize.
Duress can't put a creature in the yard, but with four entombs, four thoughtseizes and 3-4 LEDs does it matter as much? There's also unmask, but I don't think I'd want more than one of those.
Collective Brutality is still good - all modes are still relevant. There will likely be more diverse hate bears being played now - Teeg, Canonist, Meddling Mage, Revoker, etc. It still deals with all of those. It's not "essential" like in the DRS meta, but still quite good. My current discard suite is 4 Thoughtseize, 2 Collective Brutality, 1 Cabal Therapy. Unmask I think would be fine if you go to 4 Griselbrand and up the black count slightly higher - but overall I don't like it all that much in this deck. Exiling cards is pretty bad at building storm count for Magus.
EIDOLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON
CoBru is a swiss army knife of a card. Sure, DRS isn't a thing anymore, but it still has a lot of utility.
And if you don't want to play it, then don't. Do what feels right to you.
Tinfins & Bizarro Stormy & Belcher & DDFT
@acclimation6 on twitter
Back to back t1 kills at SCG STL 2013:
https://youtu.be/kk3crCPsNLg
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