I'm wondering how everyone feels the printing of an "Angelic Spirit Guide" would affect legacy. Besides the obvious inclusion in DnT and white stompy lists, I think it would give a needed boost to maverick and potentially dethrone grixis delver. Would it be too OP? Other thoughts?
{2}{W}
Creature — Angel Spirit
Card Text:
Exile Angelic Spirit Guide from your hand: Add {W} to your mana pool.
What does that card do for Maverick that Elvish Spirit Guide doesn't already accomplish? Nobody plays Elvish Spirit Guide, to my knowledge.
It could potentially be an additional mana source for Belcher or Oops, and it probably would be fine in Eldrazi and taxes or Angel Stompy, but I don't know that Spirit Guides are something we need more of in the format, especially in white, where it doesn't make color pie sense.
Maverick would rather have green guide and already doesn't play it. White guide would really just be for hate bear decks to beat combo by playing hate bear turn 1.
But Hatebear decks could already play Lotus Petal, Chrome Mox, and either spirit guide (for colorless cost. Only color intensive hatebar off the top of my head is Gaddock Teeg - in which case elvish spirit guide is probably best since most of your lands would tap for W) to power out T1 hatebear.
My guess is that "Angelic" would not see play.
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A thought I had:
if they printed a Spirit Guide for any color, something like Pay n life, exile ~ Spirit Guide from your hand: Add 1 mana of any color to your mana pool.
What would n have to be before it's balanced?
As a long time D&T player, I would try it out in order to churn out turn 1 Thalia's. Probably more of a sideboard card cause I'd really only want it for combo matchups, but I've played Chrome Mox in my sideboard before and this isn't card disadvantage.
In addition to putting out Thalia turn 1, a white spirit guide lets White decks have a very bad Force of Will combo - Mana Tithe. You could do that already with Elvish and Guttural Response, or Simian and REB, so likely not playable anyway despite being limited in application.
I think ASG would definitely see play in legacy. Lotus petal is inferior for white decks because it uses the stack and telegraphs your ability to pay {1} for daze. SSG and ESG are inferior for hatebear decks because they cannot be used to in conjunction with colorless mana (wasteland, port, tomb, city). Chrome Mox and Mox Diamond present a different dynamic with card disadvantage and permanent mana.
I believe it'd be a great printing and would give rise to a white dragon stompy-esque chalice deck with white planeswalkers, thalias and the like.
This would also be very cool - and IMO not totally OP for dredge
N= 4-6
I agree - it's probably not great for maverick in it's current form - although I'd bet a new iteration would be viable with sol lands, full sets of ESG and ASG, GSZ, and lots of {2}{G} and {2}{W} creatures.
Thats irrelevant- if they have a force of will your turn 1 hatebear is not resolving regardless of lotus petal vs chrome mox vs spirit guide (unless cavern is involved, in which case, this line of play is ALREADY available to you via cavern + elvish / simian).
Don't shift the conversation here- you originally said you might play the hypothetical card to power out turn 1 hatebears- you haven't pointed out a plausible unique scenario where a white spirit guide would do the job and elvish / simian / chrome mox / petal wouldn't.
Nice idea, but we all know the next Spirit Guide will be a Merfolk.
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I think 5 life probably makes the most sense. Puts you in aggro range pretty quickly when combined with fetches/painlands of various flavors, and it's a quarter of your starting total—totally something black would make you pay for even faster fast mana.
Of course, there won't be blue or black Spirit Guides because the things you can do in any format with that speed in those colors would be hideously oppressive—ly awesome. I dare to dream. All Spells, REPRESENT.
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My friends and I always joke around with "what if" cards and we came up with the Spirit Guide that makes a U only to be spent on artifact spells. We had a pretty long debate on if it were too strong or not.
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White spirit guide for white eldrazi decks might be interesting. So many turn 1 Thalia Heretic Cathar. That makes me happy. I mean it's still not better than cantrip decks but I'd play it. Black zombie guide in that iteration is probably busted, but I couldn't tell you why. I'm just confident it's somehow broken
As much as I would love to see a ZSG printing, its really wishful thinking. I think flavor wise exile from the graveyard is the correct move, but that negates the disadvantage of a card in hand for mana like the rest, so the tempo is a little different. Maybe exile it from your hand AND a creature from the yard for b? That might be too conditional, but I don't know. Off the top of my head, in the original form, I see it benefiting in the following way:
-It helps dredge get additional tempo (something no one except dredge players want) while feeding ichorid
-it can be pitched to a collective brutality along with another fatty (if one isn't in the yard already) and acts as a lotus petal for a dark rit/reanimation
-If someone goes old school and dark rits into a buried alive, then 1 fatty and 2 ZSG could be pitched and now you can afford almost all reanimation spells.
-self protects from surgical/targeted grave hate cards
-if its in play, works well with "sac a creature" effects as it generates tempo.
-with a sac/discard outlet, helps defeat daze (that is kind of a stretch)
-late(r) game ramp in more limited environments
-Curving out/nullifying cards with drawbacks that say "as an additional cost, discard a card"
I'm sure there would be many more, that was just what I could come up with quickly.
I'm brewing a casual zombie deck and I've always played black, so I've wanted this card for a long time but I understand if I don't get it haha.
Careful study / faithless looting, discard griselbrand and ZSG, reanimate?
I do think that would be terribly oppressing.
Same for, pay x life, add one the colour of your choice: it would be played in T1 decks such as belcher, oops, ... Not something I would deem desirable.
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