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    I'm sincerely hoping most Jump-Start cards have higher CMCs than Jump-Start costs, not just because of the issues with power level of having a more or less strictly worse flashback in the set, but also because the mechanic fuels itself, so it would be neat if you could make mini storm chains with it.

    The others are underwhelming, but then so were all the mechanics from the last Ravnica block. I think in post-NWO Magic, they've shown that the more mechanics you add to the set, the simpler all of those mechanics need to be individually in order to keep complexity down.

    Either way, my EDH Dredge player self likes the idea of the Dimir and Golgari mechanics since both will be good in my Sidisi deck.

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    So Jump-Start is just Flashback with "Discard a card" added on as a cost?

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    Surveil seems like it could be very good depending on if any pushed cards have it. Plays well with Threshhold, Snapcaster, Zombie Fish, etc.
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    Re: [GRN] Guilds of Ravnica & [RNA] Ravnica Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by Begle1 View Post
    So Jump-Start is just Flashback with "Discard a card" added on as a cost?
    And the "flashback" cost isnt necessarily the same as the cards cost. Its not unlikely that clunky spells get cheaper "flashback".

    Jump-Start has to be watched closely as it works as enabler for Madness and Reanimator
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    Re: [GRN] Guilds of Ravnica & [RNA] Ravnica Allegiance

    Some FNM promos/other promos got leaked:

    [IMG="https://i.redd.it/onknwtngnoj11.jpg"]https://i.redd.it/onknwtngnoj11.jpg[/IMG]

    Card infos can be found here

    The only one that struck me as mildly interesting was the new Emmara:

    Emmara, Soul of the Accord
    Legendary Creature - Elf Cleric
    When this becomes tapped, create a 1/1 white creature token with lifelink.
    2/2

    Not sure about the creature token type yet. She can be used to create tokens with Birchlore Ranger and Heritage Druid, although that might be too cute.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barook View Post
    Some FNM promos/other promos got leaked:

    [IMG="https://i.redd.it/onknwtngnoj11.jpg"]https://i.redd.it/onknwtngnoj11.jpg[/IMG]

    Card infos can be found here

    The only one that struck me as mildly interesting was the new Emmara:

    Emmara, Soul of the Accord
    Legendary Creature - Elf Cleric
    When this becomes tapped, create a 1/1 white creature token with lifelink.
    2/2

    Not sure about the creature token type yet. She can be used to create tokens with Birchlore Ranger and Heritage Druid, although that might be too cute.
    I think it will see some play in modern.

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    Re: [GRN] Guilds of Ravnica & [RNA] Ravnica Allegiance

    Official spoilers are out:

    http://mythicspoiler.com/newspoilers.html

    Aside from Emmara and a reprint of Narcomoeba (at rare, what the fuck, Wizards?), there's also a Goblin Rabblemaster variant that might be slightly weaker, but still playable:



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    I initially dismissed it, but being a replacement effect allows for fun times with stuff like Gitrog Monster or Sylvan Library. Being vulnerable to Bolt at 5 mana still sucks, though.

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    Re: [GRN] Guilds of Ravnica & [RNA] Ravnica Allegiance

    I don't think I'd call Lich soft to Bolt given the pseudo-regenerate ability. While totally unplayable, would have been funny with Brainstorm...take best 3 of top 9, put 2 back, mill them and draw anew.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fox View Post
    I don't think I'd call Lich soft to Bolt given the pseudo-regenerate ability. While totally unplayable, would have been funny with Brainstorm...take best 3 of top 9, put 2 back, mill them and draw anew.
    Some asshole is already siding it into their Puzzlebox EDH deck right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barook View Post
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    I initially dismissed it, but being a replacement effect allows for fun times with stuff like Gitrog Monster or Sylvan Library. Being vulnerable to Bolt at 5 mana still sucks, though.
    That ability is pretty strong with anything that contains the word "draw". Stuff like Thought Scour, Faithless Looting, Street Wraith, Brainstorm ... Elvish Visionary, Glimpse of Nature, Leovold, Emissary of Trest, Jace, Vrynn's Prodigy, Deep Analysis, Daretti, Scrap Savant, Jace the Mindsculptor ... and so on.

    The creature types - elf, zombie, and shaman are also potentially relevant.

    Even so, it's not legacy playable at 5cc, and not worth cheating into play.

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    Maybe it can be played in some sort of Sultai Nic-Fit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by alvoi View Post
    Maybe it can be played in some sort of Sultai Nic-Fit?
    I think the problem is that Scarab God is just better at 5cmc, and also ups the blue count. Pretty stiff competition on the green side from Titania and Nissa of the 5/5s. Maybe it comes in from the board if Swagtusk is the wrong card to leave in? In just green I think you also have to consider going to 6 mana for Carnage Tyrant dino.

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    Wow Underrealm Lich is a "designed-for-EDH"-Card if I ever saw one. He is gonna be an instant Staple in all the GBx GY decks

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    Unfortunately it's a no-no for Nic Fit. Too delicate for its CMC.
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    How does that card work with Dredge? I assume since they're both replacement effects, you get to pick which one you want to use?

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    The Johnny in me just wants to make a lich/gitrog monster deck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aggro_zombies View Post
    How does that card work with Dredge? I assume since they're both replacement effects, you get to pick which one you want to use?
    Exactly. You control both, so you can apply them in any order you wish. The draw will be replaced and the one you didn't choose won't happen. You will have to do one though: Unlike dredge this isn't a choice so if you choose not to dredge you will have to use the lich's ability.

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    Re: [GRN] Guilds of Ravnica & [RNA] Ravnica Allegiance

    This thing might be fun as a one of in something with Anglers:



    Might be better than collective brutality some times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ReAnimator View Post
    This thing might be fun as a one of in something with Anglers:



    Might be better than collective brutality some times.
    2 is insanely more than 1 in Legacy and C.Brutality is already played close to 0% competitively

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    Re: [GRN] Guilds of Ravnica & [RNA] Ravnica Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by ReAnimator View Post
    This thing might be fun as a one of in something with Anglers:



    Might be better than collective brutality some times.
    If by 'some times' you mean 'never', then I agree. Brutality allows flexibility by killing small dudes (Delver, D&T), attacking their hand, and getting free synergy by discarding something you want in the graveyard to get a drain for 2 (Reanimator, Pox.) It isn't even close, and as already mentioned, there are really only 2 decks that even use Brutality, those being Br reanimator and Pox. You see it occasionally in Reanimator Depths and other fringe decks, but it isn't a staple...and it's way better than this other card.
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