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    Re: [GRN] Guilds of Ravnica & [RNA] Ravnica Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by HdH_Cthulhu View Post
    Hmm aside from FoW and snapcaster this deck seems very cheap. If you cut some stifles and play just basic you could make THE budget deck!
    I don't think it could compete without Forces, maybe cutting Snapcaster for True Name Nemesis is correct.

    You do realize Stifle is like a $4 card right? I mean, Wasteland + Stifle is the real combo but Wasteland is only around $30 right now. By legacy standards the Waste/Stifle/Daze synergy is basically a budget package. I would hesitate to call it competitive outside of Force of Will, believe me, I've tried, it's a significant drop in power level. However it is playable at the local level. Start with some number of Counterspell, Spell Snare, and Spell Pierce and upgrade with Forces as you go. True Name is only around $7 each, so that's affordable, too.

    I just completed my set of Forces and I got a set of nemesis Chinese Daze from my secret santa. I'm super stoked to try this out!
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    Objectively I know Unearth is better, but does WW matter for an effect like this?

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    Re: [GRN] Guilds of Ravnica & [RNA] Ravnica Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by BenBleiweiss View Post


    Objectively I know Unearth is better, but does WW matter for an effect like this?
    i've only seen unearth in fluctuator decks and once in a esper mentor/reanimator hybrid deck. maybe if it were an instant it could be good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Safety View Post
    I don't think it could compete without Forces, maybe cutting Snapcaster for True Name Nemesis is correct.

    You do realize Stifle is like a $4 card right? I mean, Wasteland + Stifle is the real combo but Wasteland is only around $30 right now. By legacy standards the Waste/Stifle/Daze synergy is basically a budget package. I would hesitate to call it competitive outside of Force of Will, believe me, I've tried, it's a significant drop in power level. However it is playable at the local level. Start with some number of Counterspell, Spell Snare, and Spell Pierce and upgrade with Forces as you go. True Name is only around $7 each, so that's affordable, too.

    I just completed my set of Forces and I got a set of nemesis Chinese Daze from my secret santa. I'm super stoked to try this out!
    You might also consider cutting Snapcaster for Mission Briefing. It'll help flip Delvers and count towards the Salamander and Serpent. Being able to alt-cast FoW is a plus too. Not to mention it's cheaper than Snapcaster if budget is a goal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BenBleiweiss View Post


    Objectively I know Unearth is better, but does WW matter for an effect like this?
    Nothing to see here for Legacy, but man, that is some spicy Abzan goodness in other formats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BenBleiweiss View Post


    Objectively I know Unearth is better, but does WW matter for an effect like this?
    If DnT could make the B for the second half I could see it as part of an anti-control /prision package but I don't think the back half is good enough to run over Unearth

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    Re: [GRN] Guilds of Ravnica & [RNA] Ravnica Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by filln View Post
    You might also consider cutting Snapcaster for Mission Briefing. It'll help flip Delvers and count towards the Salamander and Serpent. Being able to alt-cast FoW is a plus too. Not to mention it's cheaper than Snapcaster if budget is a goal.
    Budget isn't really my goal, maybe for HdH_Cthulhu. I think the objective power level of Snapcaster is much better than Mission Briefing. I'm not saying Mission Briefing is bad, but the synergy between Snappy and Vapor Snag is pretty big game. I like that MB can allow you to re-cast Force with alternative costs but I'm not sure it's efficient enough at 2 mana. If I wanted a 2 mana counterspell I would play...Counterspell. If I'm using it to buy back Brainstorm then Snapcaster is clearly superior. Snapcaster at least doubles as a threat and can be cast under a Thalia without getting taxed.

    Not only that, but Snapcaster might not even be correct. It might be correct to play True Name instead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Safety View Post
    Budget isn't really my goal, maybe for HdH_Cthulhu. I think the objective power level of Snapcaster is much better than Mission Briefing. I'm not saying Mission Briefing is bad, but the synergy between Snappy and Vapor Snag is pretty big game. I like that MB can allow you to re-cast Force with alternative costs but I'm not sure it's efficient enough at 2 mana. If I wanted a 2 mana counterspell I would play...Counterspell. If I'm using it to buy back Brainstorm then Snapcaster is clearly superior. Snapcaster at least doubles as a threat and can be cast under a Thalia without getting taxed.

    Not only that, but Snapcaster might not even be correct. It might be correct to play True Name instead.
    Does the surveil (and replacement of an instant/sorcery) make it better, in this instance at least? Since you are wanting instants and sorceries in the graveyard, at worst its a net 0 effect (play it, then cast one) or best case +2 I'd think it might get the nod but then again i don't play these kinds of decks normally so i might be off here.
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    Does the surveil (and replacement of an instant/sorcery) make it better, in this instance at least? Since you are wanting instants and sorceries in the graveyard, at worst its a net 0 effect (play it, then cast one) or best case +2 I'd think it might get the nod but then again i don't play these kinds of decks normally so i might be off here.
    That's a good call too. Plus for what it's worth, the winning Grixis Delver list of the Leaving a Legacy Open used Mission Briefing instead of Snapcaster and had good things to say about it (his thoughts are in one of the podcast episodes).

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    Re: [GRN] Guilds of Ravnica & [RNA] Ravnica Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by ronco View Post
    Does the surveil (and replacement of an instant/sorcery) make it better, in this instance at least? Since you are wanting instants and sorceries in the graveyard, at worst its a net 0 effect (play it, then cast one) or best case +2 I'd think it might get the nod but then again i don't play these kinds of decks normally so i might be off here.
    With 12 cantrips, 4 of them dumping extra cards into your graveyard, and 8 free counterspells I don't think getting enough instants/sorceries in the yard will be a problem. There's 28 of them in my decklist (posted in the mono-blue delver thread in New + Developmental.)

    Even in this case I don't think it's better than Snapcaster. For one more mana I can Snapcaster > Thought Scour and have a beater/blocker to show for it. The surveil is good, but not good enough I don't think. Mission Briefing does a few things for you but none of them are fantastic. I mean, maybe? I would have to test it. It's a card I'll have to keep my eyes on, but I think the UU cost is what will hold it back the most.
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    Re: [GRN] Guilds of Ravnica & [RNA] Ravnica Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by filln View Post
    That's a good call too. Plus for what it's worth, the winning Grixis Delver list of the Leaving a Legacy Open used Mission Briefing instead of Snapcaster and had good things to say about it (his thoughts are in one of the podcast episodes).
    Interesting...I'll have to check this out.
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    Re: [GRN] Guilds of Ravnica & [RNA] Ravnica Allegiance



    No talk about this one? It's an upgraded Rabid Bite. The option for instant speed mono-green removal that can also hit planeswalkers is interesting at the very least, although the ability to counter it by killing the creature in response might be too problematic for Legacy.
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    Re: [GRN] Guilds of Ravnica & [RNA] Ravnica Allegiance



    Modern Shadow sideboard card?

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    I'm not sure if it quite makes it. It gives them a shockland mana-base payoff besides Death's Shadow, which is good.

    I kind of dig how it works with Erebos, God of the Dead. It converts cards drawn into removal, even if you don't draw a removal card. This might be a way to make a black devotion deck possible in modern, getting Phyrexian Obliterator a little more play time. Arguel's Blood Fast seems pretty decent with this too, and it's on curve.

    For Legacy it has a decent synergy with Toxic Deluge, but I'm not sure the format needs even more removal; the removal is already at a premium in that format. New card + Arguel's Blood Fast (flipped) + Abyssal Persecutor? Maybe a Gate-ish deck? Fun, but likely not competitive. I'm building BR demon reanimator for EDH, this new card might make the cut.

    Nerd-meter - pair it with Bloodchief Ascension and Mindcrank. That combo needs a payoff card if the combo doesn't get drawn!
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    Modern Shadow sideboard card?
    If it didn't need 4 counters and wasn't a dead draw after your opener then yes. But those are two huge reasons why it, and a card like bloodchief ascension are unplayable in a competitive format.

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    Re: [GRN] Guilds of Ravnica & [RNA] Ravnica Allegiance

    This card is in many ways just worse than Entomb targeting Vengeful Pharaoh. Following this path, Entomb is better targeting Grisel; so while this new enchantment has nothing to do with Reanimator tech, it's most easy to reduce to existing in a crappy [hypothetical] version of Reanimator (regardless of doing Reanimator stuff or not).

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    Re: [GRN] Guilds of Ravnica & [RNA] Ravnica Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by FourDogsinaHorseSuit View Post
    ...and a card like bloodchief ascension are unplayable in a competitive format.
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    Re: [GRN] Guilds of Ravnica & [RNA] Ravnica Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by FourDogsinaHorseSuit View Post
    If it didn't need 4 counters and wasn't a dead draw after your opener then yes. But those are two huge reasons why it, and a card like bloodchief ascension are unplayable in a competitive format.
    This. Without life gain in your deck you can really only expect maybe two triggers off of this. And it requires some deck building hoops. And it gets worse the later you draw it and is nearly a dead top deck. And it still costs Mana to activate. #seemabad
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    It's obviously not competitive, but Mirror March seems like it's fun with effects like Warp World or Primal Surge.

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    Whenever a nontoken creature enters the battlefield under your control, flip a coin until you lose a flip. For each flip you won, create a token that's a copy of that creature. Those tokens gain haste. Exile them at the beginning of the next end step.

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