That's such a disingenuous and poor-faith mode of engaging in a conversation.
Early one morning while making the round,
I took a shot of cocaine and I shot my woman down;
I went right home and I went to bed,
I stuck that lovin' .44 beneath my head.
I have a feeling that part of the problem is the number of people who started playing Legacy relatively recently. Their expectations for the format are vastly different from those of folks who've been playing it for 5-10 years. Thus, when the latter crowd says "this is unhealthy, or at least less than ideal," the former thinks they're crazy because the format has been like this in some way or another for years.
If this has been said before, I apologize.
The opportunities for new approaches has been narrowed down by all that power creeped stuff (TNN, Leo, Delver, Snap, Terminus, Grisel) though. From my perspective the space for innovation wasn't as restricted when Tarmogoyf was still considered the state of the art creature...
The major difference might be that the newer players don't know that Legacy was much more open in terms of card and color variety before the Innistrad Block turned Legacy into a derp-fest introducing Miracle, Griselbrand, Delver & Co directly followed by Ravnica which had DRS + Abrupt Decay. These two blocks just flipturned the whole Legacy metagame and resulted into the stale meta we had since then with a short period of madness in 2014-2015 which was Treasure Cruise + Dig Through Time.
So if you started within the last 6 years, you never really knew how the format looked like before it degenerated into BUG vs rest. Only the freaking Delve spells delivered some format variance with Patriot, UR Delver, SnT, etc at that time, before the bannings of TC & DTT reverted the format to BUG vs Miracles. With the ban of SDT, we are now down to a one-core-format with endless "mirror" matches in each coverage streamed. It's a boring status quo for old and new players i guess.
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It was Zendikar which imo kickstarted the creature powercreep and it was a glorious time with Kight of the Reliquary, Wild Nacatl, Gaddock Teeg & Co effectively rivaling the blue shell for a short time until the Survival + Vengevine shit broke lose, followed by Innistrad, which also had Thalia, which i forgot to list earlier.
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Originally Posted by Lemnear
I'm not going to dispute either of those statements, really, but TNN is WAY more than 'just a 3/1 beater" specifically because it resists spot removal and blocks really well [also, you forgot to mention that it is unblockable].
Tarmogoyf, the unplayable, was actually just a big beater. TNN is much more than just a big beater.
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Apparently brainfarted myself and confused Alara and Zendikar :D
Originally Posted by Lemnear
Brainfarts for everyone!
There was a time when people thought Tarmogoyf was a bannable card. Looking back it’s pretty laughable, for similar reasons similar to True-Name. Is it more than a dumb beater? Slightly. Is it impossible to answer? No. Is “My deck can’t beat a 3 mana creature that attacks and blocks and needs a bit of finesse to remove, so it should be banned” a good and strong argument? I certainly don’t think so.
This guy's logic literally dictates that a 0 mana 20/20 wouldn't warrant a ban. This guy thinks that's a fine card that doesn't cause problems.
Early one morning while making the round,
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I went right home and I went to bed,
I stuck that lovin' .44 beneath my head.
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