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    Re: Is 23% of the top spot too much for one deck? How about two?

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    Solution: Ban CB unban TOP!
    Implies that 1 mana Wrath of Gods and an infinite card quality engine were any more fair than DRS, Brainstorm or whatever are.

    As Miracles was often boarding out CB against everything what wasn't combo, the suggested prisoner exchange between Top and CB is somewhat funny to read. Reminds me when people suggested to ban Entreat instead of CB/SDT/Terminus
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    Re: Is 23% of the top spot too much for one deck? How about two?

    @Poron: So... Your definition of unfair is that some things are better than others..?

    Why the hell do you seek to compete in any form or capacity..?
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    Re: Is 23% of the top spot too much for one deck? How about two?

    If something is natively better than another, yes.

    DRS is strictly better than Squire, therefore it’s an unfair card to Squire.

    Same goes for decks.. a deck which is a sum of unfair cards (TNN, Command, SCM, DRS) is strictly superior to the other therefore an unfair deck.
    In my opinion banning DRS they would give back the format some variance.

    Reanimators would surge bringing white back in the format

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    Re: Is 23% of the top spot too much for one deck? How about two?

    Quote Originally Posted by Poron View Post
    If something is natively better than another, yes.

    DRS is strictly better than Squire, therefore it’s an unfair card to Squire.

    Same goes for decks.. a deck which is a sum of unfair cards (TNN, Command, SCM, DRS) is strictly superior to the other therefore an unfair deck.
    In my opinion banning DRS they would give back the format some variance.

    Reanimators would surge bringing white back in the format
    Meh. The problem with reanimator and white is that yes Plow is one of the best answers and so is Karakas, but when a Griselbrand hits the table the game is effectively over some abnormal percentage of the time. It used to be you could actually still play a game of magic if reanimator got a big dude in play. Now once Grisel hits the table the game is essentially over because of how stupid the card is
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    White has also Rest in Peace and Containment Priest which also cross hates Show and Tell and Sneak Attack

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    Re: Is 23% of the top spot too much for one deck? How about two?

    Quote Originally Posted by Megadeus View Post
    Meh. The problem with reanimator and white is that yes Plow is one of the best answers and so is Karakas, but when a Griselbrand hits the table the game is effectively over some abnormal percentage of the time. It used to be you could actually still play a game of magic if reanimator got a big dude in play. Now once Grisel hits the table the game is essentially over because of how stupid the card is
    But you only draw 14 cards... How does that help you?
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    Re: Is 23% of the top spot too much for one deck? How about two?

    Quote Originally Posted by Echelon View Post
    But you only draw 14 cards... How does that help you?
    2-3 mana, draw 14. Unplayable crap.
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    Re: Is 23% of the top spot too much for one deck? How about two?

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    2-3 mana, draw 14. Unplayable crap.
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    Re: Is 23% of the top spot too much for one deck? How about two?

    Quote Originally Posted by Megadeus View Post
    Now once Grisel hits the table the game is essentially over because of how stupid the card is
    In one of matches in the monthly Legacy challenges on MTGO back when Eldrazi was the new hotness, I could have beaten a T1 Griselbrand from UB Reanimator with White Eldrazi due to pure counter agression, had I drawn another land once over multiple turns. I really miss that deck being viable.

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    Re: Is 23% of the top spot too much for one deck? How about two?

    Griselbrand, another unfair card

    You can’t play a deck which summons fatties without playing a fullset of it

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    Re: Is 23% of the top spot too much for one deck? How about two?

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    Griselbrand, another unfair card

    You can’t play a deck which summons fatties without playing a fullset of it
    I don't know, Elves manages ok. ;-p
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    Re: Is 23% of the top spot too much for one deck? How about two?

    So does Manaless Dredge
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    Re: Is 23% of the top spot too much for one deck? How about two?

    Quote Originally Posted by Echelon View Post
    So does Manaless Dredge
    Dredge beats Griselbrand ... so Griselbrand is fair and Dredge needs a ban. How can Golgari Grave Troll be legal in Legacy if its banned in Modern? Too stronk!!!
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    Re: Is 23% of the top spot too much for one deck? How about two?

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    I don't know, Elves manages ok. ;-p
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    So does Manaless Dredge
    There are no fatties in these decks.

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    Re: Is 23% of the top spot too much for one deck? How about two?

    Quote Originally Posted by FourDogsinaHorseSuit View Post
    There are no fatties in these decks.
    Really? Really? Really? What? So why then does Elves play Natural Order or a 5 colour Hydra in the side? Why does Dredge like to reanimate cards that read "All your shit dies" or "Now you can't play a colour, lulz, thanks for trying"?
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    Really? Really? Really? What? So why then does Elves play Natural Order or a 5 colour Hydra in the side? Why does Dredge like to reanimate cards that read "All your shit dies" or "Now you can't play a colour, lulz, thanks for trying"?
    Really.
    How often does elves go for anything other than the 5/5?
    Dredge gets a bunch of weenies. They reanimate 2/2, when they're not reanimating a 3/1.

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    Re: Is 23% of the top spot too much for one deck? How about two?

    Quote Originally Posted by FourDogsinaHorseSuit View Post
    Really.
    How often does elves go for anything other than the 5/5?
    Dredge gets a bunch of weenies. They reanimate 2/2, when they're not reanimating a 3/1.
    Manaless will, quite often, reanimate a ridiculously large Grave Troll. Of course...when it does, it instantly wins and doesn't need to attack.

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    Re: Is 23% of the top spot too much for one deck? How about two?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bithlord View Post
    Manaless will, quite often, reanimate a ridiculously large Grave Troll. Of course...when it does, it instantly wins and doesn't need to attack.
    I have never seen a dredge player bother. YMMV.

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    Re: Is 23% of the top spot too much for one deck? How about two?

    Elves get Progenitus because they can’t get Griselbrand, else they would.

    They push so much to card advantage they play Glimpse of Nature and Visionary. Could they play Grisebrand would they? Super yes.

    Dredge doesn’t even look at fatties.
    they reanimate, ok, but they just need Balustrade Spy or Flayer of the Unbound.
    It’s much more of a combo deck then a fatties animator

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    Re: Is 23% of the top spot too much for one deck? How about two?

    DRS & Probe banned.

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