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    If only they had U2: win the game.

    If only.
    I'm damning you to burn in hell when a Miracles player Show and Tells an Emrakul in against me because you inspired some idiot to make a Miracles & Tell abomination.

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    "Maverick is an aggro deck"

    It's an aggro deck in the same way Stoneblade is TNN tribal.
    So for You a deck that is relying on creature, that win only by attack phase, has no counter, has no tempo effect except wasteland, has no combo card, has no prison card, which kind of deck is?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lava Snacks View Post
    I'm damning you to burn in hell when a Miracles player Show and Tells an Emrakul in against me because you inspired some idiot to make a Miracles & Tell abomination.
    It existed before the top ban. xD
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    Quote Originally Posted by AfroSmile View Post
    It existed before the top ban. xD
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    Quote Originally Posted by AfroSmile View Post
    It existed before the top ban. xD

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    Re: Results and Meta Post-DRS/Probe Banning

    Quote Originally Posted by Lava Snacks View Post
    I'm damning you to burn in hell when a Miracles player Show and Tells an Emrakul in against me because you inspired some idiot to make a Miracles & Tell abomination.
    Greg Mitchell was all about Miracles of Science. I personally have toyed with the idea of main board Omnishow plan with sideboard into miracles. It does mean you have to run some weird stuff like Snapcaster main in your omni deck though
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    Top quality german restraint there.

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    Re: Results and Meta Post-DRS/Probe Banning

    Quote Originally Posted by Zulabnar View Post
    So for You a deck that is relying on creature, that win only by attack phase, has no counter, has no tempo effect except wasteland, has no combo card, has no prison card, which kind of deck is?
    A midrange deck
    Quote Originally Posted by iatee View Post
    I still have a strong suspicion that if 'Thalia, Heretic Cathar' had been named 'Frank, Heretic Cathar', people would be a lot more skeptical of it.
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    Re: Results and Meta Post-DRS/Probe Banning

    Two tournaments added, OP totals updated, with new 3 week timespan also begun:

    August 26, MTGO Challenge, 69 players: 1.) ANT 2.) Merfolk 3.) Grixis Control 4.) Big Eldrazi 5.) Death's Shadow 6.) Death & Taxes 7.) Death's Shadow 8.) UWR Delver 9.) Big Eldrazi 10.) Lands 11.) Grixis Landstill 12.) Lands 13.) Sneak & Show 14.) Grixis Delver 15.) Turbo Depths 16.) Turbo Depths

    August 26, Channel Fireball Legacy 2K @ Channel Fireball, 82 players: 1.) Merfolk 2.) ANT 3.) Death's Shadow 4.) Sneak & Show 5.) Death's Shadow 6.) Goblins 7.) Grixis Control 8.) Maverick
    Last edited by Scott; 08-28-2018 at 06:07 AM.

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    Merfork confirmed T1

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    Yup. That’s due to 4 uncounterable TNN and 4 Phantasmal Image. I didn’t know you could get a perfect TNN out of an Image.

    That’s super good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord_Mcdonalds View Post
    If only they had U2: win the game.

    If only.
    Where is the sense in control tools when you can pack counters and just win straight?

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    Re: Results and Meta Post-DRS/Probe Banning

    Two tournaments added, OP updated:

    August 25, 汚染された三角州》[EXP]争奪レガシー杯, 50 players: 1.) Infect 2.) Grixis Control 3.) Death's Shadow 4.) TES 5.) Miracles 6.) Reanimator 7.) Lands 8.) Grixis Delver

    August 26, Arizona Eternal Magic Champs @ Phoenix, AZ, 35 players: 1.) U/R Delver 2.) Burn 3.) Colorless 12-Post 4.) Aggro Loam 5.) Aggro Loam 6.) Grixis Control 7.) RUG Delver 8.) Lands

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    Two tournaments added, OP updated:

    August 19, CLC - Etapa 7 - Floripa @ Palhoça, 44 players: 1.) Grixis Control 2.) Grixis Delver 3.) Eldrazi 4.) Grixis Delver 5.) Burn 6.) Death & Taxes 7.) Naya Lumberjack 8.) OmniTell

    August 26, レガシー神トライアル, 60 players: 1.) B/R Reanimator 2.) U/R OmniTell 3.) U/R Delver 4.) OmniTell 5.) Miracles 6.) Miracles 7.) Steel Stompy 8.) Death & Taxes

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    Re: Results and Meta Post-DRS/Probe Banning

    Quote Originally Posted by Scott View Post
    Two tournaments added, OP updated:

    August 19, CLC - Etapa 7 - Floripa @ Palhoça, 44 players: 1.) Grixis Control 2.) Grixis Delver 3.) Eldrazi 4.) Grixis Delver 5.) Burn 6.) Death & Taxes 7.) Naya Lumberjack 8.) OmniTell

    August 26, レガシー神トライアル, 60 players: 1.) B/R Reanimator 2.) U/R OmniTell 3.) U/R Delver 4.) OmniTell 5.) Miracles 6.) Miracles 7.) Steel Stompy 8.) Death & Taxes
    Huh?
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    Re: Results and Meta Post-DRS/Probe Banning

    Quote Originally Posted by Hanni View Post
    Huh?
    The long and short of it is that a certain gentlemen, named Solnox, is a lumberjack and he is perfectly acceptable.
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    I still have a strong suspicion that if 'Thalia, Heretic Cathar' had been named 'Frank, Heretic Cathar', people would be a lot more skeptical of it.
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    Re: Results and Meta Post-DRS/Probe Banning

    Quote Originally Posted by Lava Snacks View Post
    What's going on with the pointy ears? In the last three weeks, they have fewer points than Pox; it's been a pretty big drop-off. I mean, Elves was a good deck before DRS. Did the banning really hurt them that much?

    Looking at the top-performing decks right now, it doesn't look that hostile, even if there's a lot of stuff like Miracles and Show & Tell, not that I'm an Elves expert. Bad combo match ups like Storm and Reanimator aren't super common. Plenty of good match ups like Death & Taxes and Grixis Delver. I'm curious if people aren't playing it (and why, and it's warranted), or if people are playing it but losing (and why). I actually have no idea how Elves does against the new bois Grixis Control and Death's Shadow.
    Miracles and Sneak & Show are unfavorable matchups, and both of those are too prevalent and well-positioned for Elves to be a great choice for now. Lands isn't favorable either. Each of these problems requires a different slant on the deck, and you can't skew a deck in too many directions trying to metagame for wildly different strategies. I could tune Elves to be better against Miracles, but those changes wouldn't improve the Sneak & Show matchup. Elves also takes some splash damage in that Containment Priest is more common due to Sneak & Show's numbers and Grafdigger's Cage is more common due to Deathrite's absence. People run more graveyard hate now, and Cage happens to hit Elves as a bonus. People still play the deck, but it hasn't been performing well locally.

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    Re: Results and Meta Post-DRS/Probe Banning

    Quote Originally Posted by Hanni View Post
    Huh?
    A sort of Aggro Loam featuring Titania and Lumberjack provides a pretty nutty mana boost. Turn 2 5 mana into Titania is a possibility
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    I've been taking shitty brews and tier 2 decks to tournaments and losing with them for years now. Welcome to the club. We meet for cocktails after round 6.
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    Re: Results and Meta Post-DRS/Probe Banning

    Quote Originally Posted by Poron View Post
    Told you. Miracle is dropping fast and that will continue
    So I'm going to give you a pass on miracles putting 2 copies in the top 8 of Richmond GP, not splitting position 1&2 because they had to face-off in the semi-finals. Let's define legacy in very clear terms*:

    It's a two Hymn format. You have actual Hymn and blue-Hymn (Counterbalance). So as long as Grixis Tap-out Jammy Jams is doing its thing, the only cards that can really stop it have to be card type land (dubious b/c of Blood Moon), enchantment, or non-blue PW. The reason for this is any strategy that is going to win by having cards in hand loses by default to Hymn; i.e. you have to play to the board. So when you say miracles is on the way out, you really need to display how Grixis is on the way out.

    The best fix for this is ban both Hymns, unban SDT and DRS. They are that good, and they aren't going away on their own. Keep expecting to see Grixis and miracles floating around the very top of tier one alongside positionally strong mana denial strats (R/G, Thresh, DnT**). Pay more attention to the inevitable decline in UW/x Blade as they realize they just win more games by playing either miracles or Grixis.

    *this is secondary analysis to legacy just being cantrip cartel/FoW vs Cavern/Vial vs Loam/Mox vs Sol Land/Chalice
    **positionally strong vs the leftover field, and with at least one abysmal matchup vs either miracles or Grixis.

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    That may be the hottest MTG take I have ever seen.

    Like my laptop actually overheated when I first scrolled over that.
    Quote Originally Posted by iatee View Post
    I still have a strong suspicion that if 'Thalia, Heretic Cathar' had been named 'Frank, Heretic Cathar', people would be a lot more skeptical of it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Goin Aggro View Post
    Ugh, there he goes again, talking about the girlfriend. We get it dude.

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    Re: Results and Meta Post-DRS/Probe Banning

    4 Counterbalance in the top 8.
    8 Delvers
    22 Ponder
    24 Brainstorm

    Counterbalance is breaking the format.

    Fuck, I wish I could be drunk enough to think that.
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    You don't get to play the most powerful cards in the format and then bitch when someone finally says no. You also don't get to bitch that it's not fun when someone finally tells you no instead of voyeuristicly watching you masturbate with Cantrips.

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