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    Re: Results and Meta Post-DRS/Probe Banning

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    August 26, ネメシスレガシー - 晴れる屋大阪店, 39 players: 1.) Grixis Control 2.) Sneak & Show 3.) Goblins 4.) Burn 5.) ANT 6.) Mono U Control/Dark Depths 7.) U/R OmniTell 8.) ANT

    August 31-September 1, Grand Prix Richmond, 842 players: 1.) Miracles 2.) Lands 3.) Miracles 4.) Death's Shadow 5.) RUG Delver 6.) U/W Stoneblade 7.) Eldrazi 8.) Grixis Control 9.) Grixis Control 10.) U/W Stoneblade/Delver 11.) Grixis Delver 12.) Eldrazi 13.) Grixis Control 14.) RUG Delver 15.) Death's Shadow 16.) Grixis Delver

    I wasn't sure whether to put Turtenwald's U/W Stoneblade/Delver as UWx Stoneblade or UWR Delver so I put it as a separate thing. If ppl disagree with that, lemme know.
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    Re: Results and Meta Post-DRS/Probe Banning

    Quote Originally Posted by Fox View Post
    Let's define legacy in very clear terms*:
    It's a two Hymn format. You have actual Hymn and blue-Hymn (Counterbalance). (...)
    *this is secondary analysis to legacy just being cantrip cartel/FoW vs Cavern/Vial vs Loam/Mox vs Sol Land/Chalice
    Quote Originally Posted by thecrav View Post
    4 Counterbalance in the top 8.
    8 Delvers
    22 Ponder
    24 Brainstorm
    Counterbalance is breaking the format.
    Fuck, I wish I could be drunk enough to think that.
    Funny, I thought that
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    Re: Results and Meta Post-DRS/Probe Banning

    Quote Originally Posted by Lava Snacks View Post
    What's going on with the pointy ears? In the last three weeks, they have fewer points than Pox; it's been a pretty big drop-off. I mean, Elves was a good deck before DRS. Did the banning really hurt them that much?

    Looking at the top-performing decks right now, it doesn't look that hostile, even if there's a lot of stuff like Miracles and Show & Tell, not that I'm an Elves expert. Bad combo match ups like Storm and Reanimator aren't super common. Plenty of good match ups like Death & Taxes and Grixis Delver. I'm curious if people aren't playing it (and why, and it's warranted), or if people are playing it but losing (and why). I actually have no idea how Elves does against the new bois Grixis Control and Death's Shadow.
    Well, Brad Bonin's top 8 profile from the GP helped to answer my question. Ouch.


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    August 26, London Legacy Monthly Aug 2018 @ London, 39 players: 1.) Sapphire Control 2.) Punishing Maverick 3.) Goblins 4.) Death's Shadow 5.) Tin Fins Depths 6.) OmniTell w/ Sneak 7.) Death's Shadow 8.) Death's Shadow

    August 30, LML Sétima Etapa @ UG Cardshop, 37 players: 1.) OmniTell 2.) Esperblade 3.) Burn 4.) U/W Stoneblade 5.) B/R Reanimator 6.) Death & Taxes 7.) Merfolk 8.) RUG Delver

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    Re: Results and Meta Post-DRS/Probe Banning

    Quote Originally Posted by Fox View Post
    It's a two Hymn format. You have actual Hymn and blue-Hymn (Counterbalance).
    I'm tempted to get some Counterbalances altered now. Not that I'd ever play them.

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    Re: Results and Meta Post-DRS/Probe Banning

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    September 2, MTGO Challenge, 80 players: 1.) Big Eldrazi 2.) ANT 3.) Miracles 4.) Grixis Control 5.) Elves 6.) Lands 7.) Grixis Control 8.) BUG Control 9.) BUG Loam 10.) Elves 11.) Miracles 12.) Grixis Control 13.) Lands 14.) Turbo Depths 15.) Sneak & Show 16.) Lands
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    September 1, Known Magicians Clan - 99th, 83 players: 1.) Maverick 2.) Lands 3.) Grixis Control 4.) Death & Taxes 5.) U/W Stoneblade 6.) Grixis Control 7.) ANT 8.) ANT

    September 2, 晴れる屋レガシー杯クラシック, 66 players: 1.) Infect 2.) U/R Delver 3.) Sneak & Show 4.) Dark Depths 5.) Sneak & Show 6.) U/R Delver 7.) Miracles 8.) RUG Delver

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    Re: Results and Meta Post-DRS/Probe Banning

    Just want to say thanks for compiling all of this, it's really useful.
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    Storm was killed by Leovold
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    The power of blue is overrated...I personally play Jund and I consistently top 4 FNMs with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whitefaces View Post
    Just want to say thanks for compiling all of this, it's really useful.
    Yeah, same here. Thanks!

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    So can we already conclude, that DRS-ban actually hurt non-blue creature decks the most because they lost their best card while Blue Midrange/Tempo only lost their best creature (3rd best spell maybe?).

    I am glad the ban-mob had it right again...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MorphBerlin View Post
    So can we already conclude, that DRS-ban actually hurt non-blue creature decks the most because they lost their best card while Blue Midrange/Tempo only lost their best creature (3rd best spell maybe?).

    I am glad the ban-mob had it right again...
    Not true. Pre-ban goblin isn't a viable option in Legacy. Now you can day 2 in a GP with Goblins.

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    Re: Results and Meta Post-DRS/Probe Banning

    i'm quite pleased w/ the bannings. unfortunately the best deck against the cantrip decks is boring. (eldrazi).

    probe was a nice change for the format. DRS will take more time to flesh it out, but i think the format has generally opened up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whitefaces View Post
    Just want to say thanks for compiling all of this, it's really useful.
    Quote Originally Posted by Elfkid View Post
    Yeah, same here. Thanks!
    I'm really glad it's been useful to people

    OP updated (both the total, and the most recent block of time, as usual):

    August 26, 4° Liga Paulista @ Epic Game (São Paulo, Brazil), 50 players: 1.) Esperblade 2.) BUG Control 3.) Sneak & Show 4.) Burn 5.) Elves 6.) Grixis Control 7.) Ooze Reanimator 8.) U/W Landstill

    September 2, Swiss Magic Masters 2018 @ Interlaken, 80 players: 1.) Infect 2.) Death's Shadow 3.) ANT 4.) Miracles 5.) Dragon Stompy 6.) Enchantress 7.) Dark Depths 8.) Death's Shadow

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    August 25, Nerd Rage Gaming Championship Trial, 90+ players: 1.) Grixis Control 2.) Eldrazi 3.) Death & Taxes 4.) Enchantress 5.) ANT 6.) Grixis Control 7.) Grixis Delver 8.) B/R Reanimator

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    September 9, MKM Series Paris 2018 - Legacy Main Event, 194 players: 1.) Miracles 2.) Death & Taxes 3.) U/R Delver 4.) U/B OmniTell 5.) Grixis Control 6.) Maverick 7.) Grixis Delver 8.) Grixis Control

    September 9, MTGO Challenge, 82 players: 1.) Death's Shadow 2.) Grixis Delver 3.) Grixis Control 4.) B/R Reanimator 5.) ANT 6.) Grixis Delver 7.) Dredge 8.) Elves 9.) Death & Taxes 10.) Miracles 11.) Big Eldrazi 12.) Naya Lumberjack 13.) Dredge 14.) Lands 15.) Aggro Loam 16.) Grixis Control

    September 9, Legacy Open @ Time Vault Games, 47 players: 1.) Death's Shadow 2.) ANT 3.) Grixis Control 4.) Grixis Control 5.) Death & Taxes 6.) Grixis Control 7.) Grixis Delver 8.) Merfolk
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    Re: Results and Meta Post-DRS/Probe Banning

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    A thing, or proof that Lejay could probably Top 8 with a ham sandwich? (Or maybe both?)

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    September 1, 《ライオンの瞳のダイアモンド/Lion's Eye Diamond》争奪レガシー杯, 46 players: 1.) Grixis Control 2.) Miracles 3.) Grixis Control 4.) Burn 5.) Grixis Control 6.) B/R Storm 7.) Grixis Delver 8.) ?

    September 8, Preservation Series 1K @ Mox Boarding House, 56 players: 1.) U/W Stoneblade 2.) U/B Ninjas 3.) Miracles 4.) Death's Shadow 5.) U/G 12-Post 6.) Miracles 7.) Mono B Reanimator 8.) Turbo Depths

    September 8, ネームドトーナメント フジタ・レガシー杯, 56 players: 1.) Dark Depths 2.) U/R Delver 3.) Grixis Delver 4.) U/R Delver 5.) Death & Taxes 6.) Death & Taxes 7.) Death's Shadow 8.) ?

    September 9, レガシー神トライアル, 78 players: 1.) OmniTell 2.) ANT 3.) Death & Taxes 4.) Grixis Delver 5.) Grixis Control 6.) Lands 7.) U/R OmniTell 8.) Miracles

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    September 1, Community Pub Legacy @ Sydney, 36 players: 1.) Goblins 2.) Tezzeret Control 3.) Lands 4.) RUG Delver

    September 2, 4Seasons Summer 2018, 141 players: 1.) Lands 2.) Death's Shadow 3.) Dredge 4.) Dark Depths 5.) Death & Taxes 6.) Maverick 7.) Death's Shadow 8.) Aluren 9.) Lands 10.) Death's Shadow 11.) Death & Taxes 12.) OmniTell 13.) Miracles 14.) Dredge 15.) Eldrazi 16.) Elves

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    Quote Originally Posted by mistercakes View Post
    i'm quite pleased w/ the bannings. unfortunately the best deck against the cantrip decks is boring. (eldrazi).

    probe was a nice change for the format. DRS will take more time to flesh it out, but i think the format has generally opened up.
    I feel that this feeling is largely illusory. From the OP, italicized where I feel an argument could be made for novelty:

    Grixis Control: 563 points
    Miracles: 436
    Death's Shadow: 341
    Death & Taxes: 328
    Grixis Delver: 280
    Sneak & Show: 268
    Lands: 262
    UWx Stoneblade: 259
    RUG Delver: 207
    ANT: 205

    Is that really that much different?

    I get that I'm basically the only person who liked probe, but I don't feel like these bannings were a huge shakeup, other than getting rid of the green in the formerly 4-color control decks. Plus, Sneak and Show is super boring. RUG is sweet, and I know people who wish it were 2013 again might be excited to play stoneblade again, but Miracles, DNT, Lands, and Grixis are as good as ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taconaut View Post

    Grixis Control: 563 points
    Miracles: 436
    Death's Shadow: 341
    Death & Taxes: 328
    Grixis Delver: 280
    Sneak & Show: 268
    Lands: 262
    UWx Stoneblade: 259
    RUG Delver: 207
    ANT: 205

    Is that really that much different?
    no it isn't

    Miracle and Grixis Control are pretty same gameplan same strategies, different cards

    Grixis Delver Rug Delver and Death's Shadow has a lot of cards frome the control side but different strategy.

    So the ban hits the green and nothing else.

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