Great brews, but just for my own understanding. Does this deck work without Oath?
I'm a big proponent of white because of Kaya, Swords to Plowshares and Remorseful Cleric. Kaya is a lot better than it looks and you can one shot opponents easily with it.
Depends on the matchup but graveyard hate is very strong since the most broken "fair" creatures almost all rely on the graveyard (delve, pteramander, snapcaster), and then there's delver which can easily be blocked by Remorseful Cleric. Once you do find (street wraith/Mausoleum Secrets) and resolve (discard) an Oath, it's trivial to establish a lock.
Well...you won't be able to combo out without it right?
@pow22: The casual legacy deck thread might be more appropriate? Link: http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/f...d-Budget-Forum.
Probably not good enough but I wanted to mention Karador, Ghost Chieftain. Fits the colors of the build i proposed earlier, and does exactly what this deck wants to do. However, I'm afraid the mana cost is too high even with the cost reduction clause.
Isn't oath just better pretty much? Costs two and in the most optimal scenario ghost costs three. Ghost's effect is better but only slightly I think.
I'm leaning towards running this tomorrow...between this and digeridoo. I have plaguecrafters now and street wraith. I'm thinking -2 library -1 minister -2 ? +2 wraith +3 plague catcher. Still no clue if eldrazi can be me made winnable...seems to be a theme with my decks right now. Going to put 4 engineered plagues in my board as dnt/tribal seem terrible too.
Oath is much better but Karador is different. I think Karador competes with Meren of Nel Toth more than with Oath, and Meren is better.
If you need to stop the bleeding quickly against Eldrazi you can side in a Peacekeeper or go for the Frog/Kami (difficult with chalice 1) lock until you can grind out the lands/cards/creatures with fulminator and plaguecrafter.
I only played a couple of games with this deck, but what do you guys think of a sword of light and shadow (with or without stoneforge)? It gains us life we can use to loop street wraith, acts like an oath when we don’t have one, and helps us close out the game more quickly.
I like this suggestion, will try to find a slot. L&S does a really good imitation of F&I by reproducing the draw with street wraith and the removal with raising a dead plague crafter. I’m wondering if adding a SB jitte or batterskull and 2 SFM make for sufficient non-graveyard dependent transformational plan.
Last edited by bruizar; 02-28-2019 at 04:21 AM.
People about Dark Ritual, wouldn't Songs of the Damned be better suited for this deck? (I'll just sneak back into lurk mode).
Tried ashiok tonight...1-3 but lost to elves twice which seems close to unwinnable. Every match I lost went to g3, beat bomberman.
3 bitterblossom
1 ophiomancer
3 contamination
4 ashiok, dream render
3 oath of ghouls
2 asylum visitor
2 plaguecrafter
2 abyssal persecutor
2 Street wraith
2 shriekmaw
1 grave titan
1 tombstalker
3 cabal therapy
3 hymn to tourach
3 collective brutality
1 umezawa's jitte
4 dark ritual
4 chrome mox
10 swamp
4 ghost quarter
1 high market
1 desert
1 phyrexian tower
SB:
4 leyline of the void
4 engineered plague
4 thoughtseize
2 fatal push
1 minister of pain
This looks interesting... but ghost quarter? On the off-chance you were thinking it, it doesn't actually work with ashiok, 'cuz ashiok specifically says effects that opponents control can't cause them to search, and you control the ghost quarter.
Also, tombstalker seems to be a non-bo with the rest of the deck. And no faerie macabre? it exiles opposing creatures in their grave, and lets you recycle them over and over. It's probably a good idea not to rely too much on ashiok for all graveyard exiling effects.
Legacy decks: mono U painter, strawberry shortcake, imperial painter, solidarity, burn
EDH decks: zedruu voltron, rakdos the defiler, persistent petitioners, blind seer
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