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  1. #21

    Re: RUG Hollow Vine

    Iíve been testing a bant version of this deck.

    The other versions seem a little all-in...I wouldnít want to be a worse dredge or reanimator and lose to all the same hate. Some survival decks ended up being g/w based even tho everyone remembers Calebís ug version

    Iíll post my list if ppl r interested. Iíve been through a lot of the spice.


    True name nemesis
    Magus of the bazaar
    Genesis
    Champion of wits
    2x wonder
    Thalia
    1 pridemage
    Cloud of faeries

    Anyways if ppl want to see Iíll take some time to post the list



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  2. #22

    Re: RUG Hollow Vine

    Quote Originally Posted by quantumactivist View Post
    Anyways if ppl want to see Iíll take some time to post the list
    The answer is always yes. Post the list.

  3. #23

    Re: RUG Hollow Vine

    Also ash barrens is legit with hollow one


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    Re: RUG Hollow Vine

    I'm interested in the Bant list as well. I like the idea of Mother of Runes protecting a Magus of the Bazaar.
    "On the other hand, I am still wondering on which basis certain people appoint themselves authorities on a matter; postcount does not equal stormcount."
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  5. #25

    Re: RUG Hollow Vine

    Hereís my bant list:

    2 Mox Diamond
    3 Swords to Plowshares
    4 Careful Study

    4 Vengevine
    4 Fauna Shaman
    2 Cloud of Faeries
    2 Wonder
    4 Hollow One
    4 Noble Hierarch
    2 Hapless Researcher
    1 Qasali Pridemage
    1 Recruiter of the Guard
    1 Champion of Wits
    1 Magus of the Bazaar
    1 Genesis
    3 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
    1 Loyal Retainers
    1 Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite
    1 Iona, Shield of Emeria

    2 Misty Rainforest
    2 Tropical Island
    2 Gaea's Cradle
    1 Cephalid Coliseum
    2 Windswept Heath
    1 Savannah
    1 Snow-Covered Forest
    1 Snow-Covered Island
    2 Wasteland
    1 Tundra
    1 Flooded Strand
    1 Snow-Covered Plains
    1 Ash Barrens

    SB
    2 Thorn of Amethyst
    1 Gilded Drake
    1 Llawan, Cephalid Empress
    1 Knight of Autumn
    1 Palace Jailer
    1 Phyrexian Revoker
    1 Gaddock Teeg
    1 Remorseful Cleric
    1 Peacekeeper
    3 Ground Seal
    1 Sylvan Library
    1 Hunting Grounds


    Iím still testing the loyal retainers package vs tnn/more consistency

    Iíve found that the deck needs more than 1 angle of attack as the main vine/hollow plan is a little inconsistent and vunerable to sb hate. You need to be doing unfair things in legacy :)

    Iíve also tested stifle naught combo which was ok.

    Itís been great playing creatures again (I play Tin fins irl)




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  6. #26

    Re: RUG Hollow Vine

    FYI intuition, while one of my fav cards ever, is really slow. Iíve tested 1,2,3 copies and havenít really liked them.


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    Re: bant Hollow Vine

    Hey, love your deck

    Why 2 wonder instead of the split with anger ? Do you think the manabase can support the splash ?
    Hasty fauna shaman are the best ones (the same goes for magus, hollow one & co).

    I will second bigbobbobber : what about a list with more magus (magi ? maguses?) and mom as protection (and you know how powerful is an angry mum).
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  8. #28

    RUG Hollow Vine

    I think it would be really hard to cram a mountain in here. The mana base is a pile as is (trying to run cradle+colosseum+wasteland)

    I think the utility lands give a lot of long game.

    Iíve tried mom and found them lackluster but prob worth more testing (only tried them for a couple of games) . They were in the Mox diamond slot so I only had 2. Iíd love to see others testing this as I canít get many games in at 1 time and donít own this irl

    Getting 1 magus activation is usually insane, so I could see going up on those with more moms

    Wish we had bazaar :( but only for us not dredge



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  9. #29

    Re: RUG Hollow Vine

    This deck is hot in Vintage not for raw combo power but because the top decks are all spell-based with roughly 0-1 creature removals in the deck. The Vintage build is a classic hatebears deck just using Hollow Vine as a fast kill condition to speed up the hatebears clock. It works as a turbo hatebears deck, not because the Hollow Vine combo is that strong itself.

    If you port this into Legacy without porting the hatebears part into Legacy-relevant disruption, then you're just some weird aggro deck cheating out 4/4s. Legacy is a creature-heavy format full of creature removals, so that strategy is just less effective. Legacy is better prepared to kill the 4/4s. Meanwhile by taking out the hatebears you sacrifice your game against combo. The Hollow Vine "combo" just isn't that fast or broken. Has anyone tested this to any success?

    The Bant list looks more interesting, at least offering other lines of attack and ways to recover.

    Hollow Vine might fit well into this old BG Vengevine brew I made more than 6 years ago. It's no hatebears deck but does has some minimal disruptive elements maindeck, multiple lines of attack, and can use GSZ to dig up SB hatecards vs combo.


    //Creatures: 32
    4 Birds of Paradise
    4 Basking Rootwalla
    4 Carrion Feeder
    4 Gravecrawler
    4 Lotleth Troll
    4 Noose Constrictor
    4 Vengevine
    4 Hollow One

    //Spells: 10
    4 Thoughtseize
    3 Green Sun's Zenith
    3 Abrupt Decay

    //Lands: 18
    4 Bayou
    4 Verdant Catacombs
    2 Windswept Heath
    2 Marsh Flats
    2 Swamp
    2 Forest
    1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
    1 Scrubland

    //Sideboard: 15
    2 Faerie Macabre
    2 Collective Brutality
    1 Assassin's Trophy
    1 Green Sun's Zenith
    1 Fauna Shaman
    1 Scavenging Ooze
    1 Gaddock Teeg
    1 Knight of Autumn
    1 Reclamation Sage
    1 Leovold, Emissary of Trest
    3 Choke


    Replaced Deathrite Shaman with Birds (which does make the deck a lot worse), Wild Mongrel with Noose Constrictor, and cut Bloodghasts for Hollow Ones.

    Carrion Feeder + Gravecrawler combo (which also makes it easy to get Vengevine back)
    Carrion Feeder saves recursive guys from Terminus and exile effects
    Lotleth Troll/Noose Constrictor can discard 3 cards in a turn for Hollow One.
    GSZ makes it 11 ways to get a discard outlet
    16 1 drops for Vengevine

  10. #30

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    Agreed that the game plan of play 4/4s (even if you get 4) is only ok in legacy.

    Angler is tough to deal with

    Terminus - ugh

    Kommand - ugh

    Deck definitely needs another angle. Iíve been testing

    -Loyal retainers package
    (would love some suggestions for legends that are reasonably castable Iona has been not great
    Have tried gaaiv and dromoka and heretic cathar)


    Kotr with more utility lands

    Tnn

    Stiflenaught

    Fow/ daze (was bad)




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  11. #31

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    Firestorm is fantastic for this deck.
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  12. #32

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    Quote Originally Posted by quantumactivist View Post
    Deck definitely needs another angle. Iíve been testing

    -Loyal retainers package
    (would love some suggestions for legends that are reasonably castable Iona has been not great
    Have tried gaaiv and dromoka and heretic cathar)
    I like Retainers, but I don't know if there's an easy answer. Anything worth cheating out with Retainers is too expensive to cast (e.g. Iona, Emrakul, Griselbrand). If it wasn't expensive it wouldn't be worth jumping through hoops to cheat it out. Heretic Cathar costs the same as Retainers... just hardcast it.

    Retainers combo hasn't been viable since Survival. You really want to grab all pieces in one turn. Fauna Shaman is slow. It can come close if you EOT grab the fatty, untap and pitch the fatty for Retainers. That's turn 4 at the earliest though, and the fatty doesn't even win you the game on the spot. Emrakul is the fastest clock, but it doesn't even work with Fauna Shaman unless you wait another turn. Turn 4 Iona is strong but not that backbreaking.

    What about Necrotic Ooze combo? You can get it with Buried Alive, which is also good with Vengevines. Big advantage being that you actually win on the spot.

    If you haven't seen the combo:

    Necrotic Ooze
    Phyrexian Devourer
    Walking Ballista
    Griselbrand


    With Devourer and Ballista in the GY, Ooze can just exile away the top of your library and ping the opponent to death. The "7 or greater" clause isn't copied by Ooze so you don't have to worry about suiciding Ooze if you flip a high CMC card.

    You can assemble the combo a couple ways:
    - Fauna Shaman (getting Devourer -> Ballista -> Ooze, casting Ooze)
    - Buried Alive for Ooze + Devourer + Ballista, then cast Reanimate on Ooze
    - Buried Alive for Devourer + Ballista + other creature, then cast Necrotic Ooze
    - Buried Alive for Ballista + Lotleth Troll/Wild Mongrel + other creature, then cast Ooze (if Devourer is stuck in hand)

    I threw in Griselbrand because there is no reason not to run him if you're using any kind of graveyard tutoring and Reanimate. He's also good with Ooze.
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    Re: RUG Hollow Vine

    I will test firestorm. So far, Punishing Fire has been awesome. Card advantage with looting effects and removal suits the gameplan quite well here.

    I've been testing a more midrange version with more Squee and Dack Fayden. Not sure how to compare it to an aggro version however; they play like two completely different decks.
    "On the other hand, I am still wondering on which basis certain people appoint themselves authorities on a matter; postcount does not equal stormcount."
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  14. #34

    Re: RUG Hollow Vine

    Why not lean into the sacrifice theme and take a page from Nic Fit?

    4x Veteran Explorer
    4x Basking Rootwalla
    4x Bloodghast
    4x Vengevine
    4x Hollow One
    4x Magus of the Bazaar

    4x Careful Study
    4x Forget? Attunement? dunno.
    4x Cabal Therapy
    3x Thoughtseize
    3x Collective Brutality

    2x Sultai Charm
    4x Brainstorm

    18ish lands?

    Needs something to do when it has lots of mana, maybe Breakthrough? Or Probe? Or Hymn? Could probably run B2B in here with a manabase focused on fetches+basics and a Coliseum or two. Maybe you want to throw a Shardless Agent or Phyrexian Tower in there?

    EDIT: Chart a Course and Deep Analysis.. knew I was forgetting something.

    Ok, how about this for a list:

    4x Basking Rootwalla
    4x Vengevine
    4x Hollow One
    4x Bloodghast

    4x Careful Study
    4x Chart a Course
    4x Deep Analysis
    4x Cabal Therapy
    3x Thoughtseize
    3x Collective Brutality
    3x Sultai Charm
    3x Assassin's Trophy

    3x Cephalid Coliseum
    3x Misty Rainforest
    3x Verdant Catacombs
    2x Polluted Delta
    3x Forest
    2x Island
    2x Swamp

    Sideboard:
    3x Back to Basics
    4x Force of Will
    4x Leyline of the Void
    2x True Name Nemesis/Liliana of the Veil
    2x Engineered Explosives
    Last edited by morgan_coke; 11-22-2018 at 03:21 PM.

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