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    Single Card Discussion: Lavinia, Azorius Renegade

    I want to discuss the newly spoiled card from Ravnica Allegiance...

    Lavinia, Azorius Renegade UW
    Legendary Creature - Human Soldier
    Each opponent can't cast non creature spells with converted mana cost greater than the number of lands that player controls.
    Whenever an opponent casts a spell, if no mana was spent to cast it, counter that spell.
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    List of cards it counters...
    Force of Will
    Chrome Mox/Lotus Petal/LED
    Omniscience
    Miracles
    Belcher Decks
    Past in Flames/Gifts Ungiven/Empty the Warrens
    Cloudpost/Ancient Tomb/Eldrazi Temple/Metalworker/Spirit Guide/Dark Ritual/Seething Song if they’re not casting a creature with that mana

    It’s a shame it doesn’t hit Show and Tell or Sneak Attack.

    I think it might be decent as a sideboard card in Miracles for the mirror and combo matchups? Or is it too narrow to see play?

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    Re: Single Card Discussion: Lavinia, Azorius Renegade

    It kind of hits Show and Tell and Sneak Attack, really any sol land deck in general I suppose.
    So not a hard stop, but turn 2 Sneak Attack off Volcanic, Petal, and Tomb is threatened. And turn 4 Sneak Attack is really slow for them.
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    Re: Single Card Discussion: Lavinia, Azorius Renegade

    Like the ability, hate that it's not symmetrical and that it's blue.
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    Re: Single Card Discussion: Lavinia, Azorius Renegade

    It is a nonbo with Thalia.

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    Re: Single Card Discussion: Lavinia, Azorius Renegade

    It certainly feels very strong.

    It’s like damping sphere but on a 10 turn clock. I’ve a feeling that for most decks it fits, it doesn’t replace anything that they already run.
    It certainly is a small pain to deal with, but certainly not OP (I hope). I’m just trying to figure out if it’s a naindeckable and what shell it fits in. Miracles? Dnt? Humans?


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    Re: Single Card Discussion: Lavinia, Azorius Renegade

    Seems like it could share a deck with Spell Queller or Possibility Storm.

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    Re: Single Card Discussion: Lavinia, Azorius Renegade

    It also stops flashback Therapy, Fireblast, Suspend cards, and hits a fair number of cards in Infect
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    Re: Single Card Discussion: Lavinia, Azorius Renegade

    Quote Originally Posted by rufus View Post
    Seems like it could share a deck with Spell Queller or Possibility Storm.
    There's also Knowledge Pool to lock down the opponent except for Supreme Verdict, Abrupt Decay and Karakas.

    That said, I wonder how she would play with Land Tax, given that it can stunt the land development of the opponent quite a bit.

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    Re: Single Card Discussion: Lavinia, Azorius Renegade

    It sure reads impressively the first time through, but ultimately I don't think it will see much legacy play. If you want an anti-combo hatebear, Cannonist, Meddling Mage, and Thalia (if you aren't blue stewing) should all be stronger as they slow down combo's ability to dig for an answer. This needs to be maindeckable to see play. It hits force, daze, and sol lands out of non-combo decks. Unfortunately, I don't think that's enough as force and daze are often sideboarded out against fair blue midrange.

    Vintage though... It hits all the mana rocks all the time plus misstep and force aren't things you can sideboard out as easily. It might even be serviceable against Shops on the play. Seems like a stong reason to pick up white.

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    Re: Single Card Discussion: Lavinia, Azorius Renegade

    Because why not give Miracles more toys they might (someday, maybe) use?

    Card doesn't do much that the other hate-bears don't, but it does pitch to Force. Sideboard superstar on a good day.
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    Re: Single Card Discussion: Lavinia, Azorius Renegade

    I wrote that it is a nonbo with Thalia but it seems nobody think it is relevant so I might just explain.

    Free non-creature spells are not free anymore with Thalia in play because they cost 1 generic : Lavinia doesn't counter those spells anymore and you are sad.

    Edit :
    Not sure that free spell like Gitaxian Probe are free because you actually pay phyrexian mana with 2 life : Lavinia doesn't counter Gitaxian Probe or Surgical Extraction if I'm not wrong.

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