I want to discuss the newly spoiled card from Ravnica Allegiance...
Lavinia, Azorius Renegade UW
Legendary Creature - Human Soldier
Each opponent can't cast non creature spells with converted mana cost greater than the number of lands that player controls.
Whenever an opponent casts a spell, if no mana was spent to cast it, counter that spell.
2/2
List of cards it counters...
Force of Will
Chrome Mox/Lotus Petal/LED
Omniscience
Miracles
Belcher Decks
Past in Flames/Gifts Ungiven/Empty the Warrens
Cloudpost/Ancient Tomb/Eldrazi Temple/Metalworker/Spirit Guide/Dark Ritual/Seething Song if they’re not casting a creature with that mana
It’s a shame it doesn’t hit Show and Tell or Sneak Attack.
I think it might be decent as a sideboard card in Miracles for the mirror and combo matchups? Or is it too narrow to see play?
It kind of hits Show and Tell and Sneak Attack, really any sol land deck in general I suppose.
So not a hard stop, but turn 2 Sneak Attack off Volcanic, Petal, and Tomb is threatened. And turn 4 Sneak Attack is really slow for them.
It is a nonbo with Thalia.
It certainly feels very strong.
It’s like damping sphere but on a 10 turn clock. I’ve a feeling that for most decks it fits, it doesn’t replace anything that they already run.
It certainly is a small pain to deal with, but certainly not OP (I hope). I’m just trying to figure out if it’s a naindeckable and what shell it fits in. Miracles? Dnt? Humans?
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EDH decks: zedruu voltron, rakdos the defiler, persistent petitioners, blind seer
Seems like it could share a deck with Spell Queller or Possibility Storm.
It also stops flashback Therapy, Fireblast, Suspend cards, and hits a fair number of cards in Infect
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There's also Knowledge Pool to lock down the opponent except for Supreme Verdict, Abrupt Decay and Karakas.
That said, I wonder how she would play with Land Tax, given that it can stunt the land development of the opponent quite a bit.
It sure reads impressively the first time through, but ultimately I don't think it will see much legacy play. If you want an anti-combo hatebear, Cannonist, Meddling Mage, and Thalia (if you aren't blue stewing) should all be stronger as they slow down combo's ability to dig for an answer. This needs to be maindeckable to see play. It hits force, daze, and sol lands out of non-combo decks. Unfortunately, I don't think that's enough as force and daze are often sideboarded out against fair blue midrange.
Vintage though... It hits all the mana rocks all the time plus misstep and force aren't things you can sideboard out as easily. It might even be serviceable against Shops on the play. Seems like a stong reason to pick up white.
Because why not give Miracles more toys they might (someday, maybe) use?
Card doesn't do much that the other hate-bears don't, but it does pitch to Force. Sideboard superstar on a good day.
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I wrote that it is a nonbo with Thalia but it seems nobody think it is relevant so I might just explain.
Free non-creature spells are not free anymore with Thalia in play because they cost 1 generic : Lavinia doesn't counter those spells anymore and you are sad.
Edit :
Not sure that free spell like Gitaxian Probe are free because you actually pay phyrexian mana with 2 life : Lavinia doesn't counter Gitaxian Probe or Surgical Extraction if I'm not wrong.
Nix would counter Gitaxian Probe paid with life, so I see no reason why Lavinia wouldn't as well.
A phyrexian cost can be paid with life or mana. If you pay with life, you didn't pay it with mana. Therefore: Nix'd.
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The rules of Magic for free ?!! but I thought I could not have the rules of Magic for free with Lavinia in play ? Ohhh I'm so confused now !! Please I need more uncounterable/non-free protips from my fellow magicians !
My initial thoughts on seeing this card were that it would probably just be slid in as a 2-4 of in existing miracle decks, however, in regards to treating this card as a one-sided chalice for zero plus some other stuff on legs, I was brainstorming building a deck from bottom up.
The first deck building fork was whether to run this card alongside Chalice itself or by itself. Going along the latter path for now a blue white base is already pretty well developed:
4 FOW
4 Brainstorm
4 STP
4 Ponder
4 Snapcaster
2 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
20 Lands
Leaving us with only really 22 cards to differentiate this UW deck from existing UW decks.
The thought is that if we slide in 4 Lavinia, Azorius Renegade, we should also slide in 4 wastelands in order to provide land control which helps lavania become even more effective. That leaves us with 14 cards to consider.
The next thought is that Lavania is most effective, just like Chalice, Turn 1 - unlike chalice we can't just play the 8 SOL lands, and will have to play some other mana accel. To have above a 20% chance of a turn one Lavania (without a mulligan) we need to run at least 6 accel pieces. We are already running 24 lands at this point so we can probably afford 2-3 Mox diamonds, and we can use Lotus Petals for the other pieces. That leaves us 8 cards. That is enough for a SFM package and gives us 2 flex spots. So:
Path 1 Lavinia Deck:
4 FOW
4 Brainstorm
4 STP
4 Ponder
2 Flex Spots
1 Batterskull
1 Jitte
4 Snapcaster
4 SFM
4 Lavinia
2 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
20 Lands
4 Wasteland
3 Mox Diamond
3 Lotus Petal
The Second path that I considered was running Lavinia with Chalice. A Chalice Shell is at the very least smaller than the a UW shell:
4 Chalice
8 Sol Lands
Then, as before we are running 4 Lavinia with the expectation of getting her out turn 1. I would think we would want a greater percentage of getting her out turn 1 than the Path 1 deck, so we should run at least 8 Accel options. Assuming we will have 24-25 Lands in the deck we can run 4 Chrome Mox and 4 Lotus Petal. That leaves us about 15 cards to consider. Theorertically we have the choice of trying to pick all blue cards so that we can run FOW, or whether we just end up choosing the 19 best U/W cards (going three color will be hard due to the tortuted mana base). Essentially, the question is whether we want SFM or FOW. I think this is an easy choice as the best blue cards are blocked by the Chalice we are also running. So going the SFM route (6 cards) we will have a 13 Open spots. Those 13 spots should be something that can take advantage of the 8 Sol lands we run. I am leaving them blank for now as I have no idea.
Path 2 Lavinia Deck:
13 Flex Spots
4 Chalice
1 Batterskull
1 Jitte
4 Lavinia
4 SFM
8 Sol Lands
4 Waste Land
13 Lands
4 Chrome Mox
4 Lotus Petal
Clearly Path 1 is more developed than Path 2. Path 2 can hardly said to be developed at all with 13 spots missing, but I think these are the two forms a potential Lavinia deck could take (again, Lavinia deck, not a deck that runs Lavinia, which is what I expect to happen).
It's been said before, but I think Lavinia fits best into a Bant/Vial/Ernhamgeddon build.
4x Noble Hierarch
3x SfM
4x Lavinia
3x Snapcaster
1x Ramunap
1x Knight of Autumn
3x GSZ
3x StP
4x Armageddon
4x Brainstorm
2x Ponder
4x FoW
2x Jace
1x Batterskull
1x Jitte/SoFI/whatever
4x Flagstones
4x Flooded Strand
2x Tundra
2x Savannah
2x Tropical
1x Island
1x Plains
1x Dryad
4x Wasteland
Or I dunno, something along those lines. I think there's some vial bant and blue Maverick lists around to base off of. But GSZ/Ramunap/Armaggedon/Lavinia plus stuff like the blue shell is a strong, strong setup. At least potentially.
Good point, should definitely include a bunch of KotR. I just kinda threw it together tbh.
EDIT: since Lavinia is one sided, you could also throw As Foretold in there too, but I dunno if you'd want to.
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