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    Re: Grixis Phoenix

    Quote Originally Posted by Whitefaces View Post
    Since we found a strong shell, the main thing I want to work on is reign in the ceiling of the deck to maximise the floor and consistency. These are the features that make legacy decks great usually, not their ceiling unless its from shells with a huge amount of redundancy (like reanimator).
    I kind of wonder if the fact Phoenix's wording might actually make Regrowth playable. I mean, spell, Regrowth spell, spell again is three right there. Just thinking it would be something where Snapcaster really wouldn't cut it the same way. If that spell happens to be Bolt, that is a good chunk of damage if you've got a few Phoenix in the grumper.
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    So at my lgs, my friends and I were thinking of trying out collective brutality instead of bolt. Going to try testing thatbin the next week or so. What are your thoughts on that?
    I tried CB out a bunch in the early lists. It's OK, but a bit low power level and 2 mana is a lot for this deck.

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    I kind of wonder if the fact Phoenix's wording might actually make Regrowth playable. I mean, spell, Regrowth spell, spell again is three right there. Just thinking it would be something where Snapcaster really wouldn't cut it the same way. If that spell happens to be Bolt, that is a good chunk of damage if you've got a few Phoenix in the grumper.
    I think Regrowth falls into what you quoted actually, it's expensive in the context of the deck and not flexible (unless you're in the very late game, which is not what the deck wants to play for) so doesn't help with its floor or consistency. The deck doesn't really struggle to trigger Phoenixes, it's finding/resolving the Buried Alive (and more specifically on time to race the opponents strategy) which is often the harder part of the two.
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    OK, I'll try and get around to trying it soon! I can see the potential. I think at the beginning I may have zoned in on just fetching Phoenixes, but it is pretty gross with YP and Therapy.


    Here's a game-state that shows some of the flexibility. It came off the top in an iffy start where I'd been hit with repeated discard; it snagged 3x Dark Ritual here; guaranteed 3x spells for buried alive. (I'd already had cabal therapy extirpated at this point).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whitefaces View Post
    I think Regrowth falls into what you quoted actually, it's expensive in the context of the deck and not flexible (unless you're in the very late game, which is not what the deck wants to play for) so doesn't help with its floor or consistency. The deck doesn't really struggle to trigger Phoenixes, it's finding/resolving the Buried Alive (and more specifically on time to race the opponents strategy) which is often the harder part of the two.
    Fair enough, 'twas just an idea. Indeed, if the issue at hand is getting the birds in the 'yard in the first place, well, then yeah, you need something else.
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    Re: Grixis Phoenix

    Quote Originally Posted by walked View Post


    Here's a game-state that shows some of the flexibility. It came off the top in an iffy start where I'd been hit with repeated discard; it snagged 3x Dark Ritual here; guaranteed 3x spells for buried alive. (I'd already had cabal therapy extirpated at this point).
    Mmm this is nice! I'll give it a whirl soon as you say.

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    Fair enough, 'twas just an idea. Indeed, if the issue at hand is getting the birds in the 'yard in the first place, well, then yeah, you need something else.
    Yeah all good, thanks for suggesting it! The deck can play out differently to how it looks on face value and is a bit unintuitive in spots, so a lot of the common suggestions are focusing on either free spells, or something that helps the quota of 3, but in the end those two are mostly covered by the combo of Ritual and Buried Alive themselves, we just want to play towards that.
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    Re: Grixis Phoenix

    Quote Originally Posted by Whitefaces View Post
    Yeah all good, thanks for suggesting it! The deck can play out differently to how it looks on face value and is a bit unintuitive in spots, so a lot of the common suggestions are focusing on either free spells, or something that helps the quota of 3, but in the end the end those two are mostly covered by the combo of Ritual and Buried Alive themselves, we just want to play towards that.
    That makes sense. I guess I was also thinking how it could enable Entomb to get several birds, but like you said, at the cost of 4 mana total for 2 birds, it's likely not worth it. At that point, you really need to be worried that Daze just invalidates the whole line, really.
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    Quote Originally Posted by H View Post
    I kind of wonder if the fact Phoenix's wording might actually make Regrowth playable. I mean, spell, Regrowth spell, spell again is three right there. Just thinking it would be something where Snapcaster really wouldn't cut it the same way. If that spell happens to be Bolt, that is a good chunk of damage if you've got a few Phoenix in the grumper.
    Seems like Mission Briefing is this but better.

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    Re: Grixis Phoenix

    Quote Originally Posted by Hisa View Post
    Seems like Mission Briefing is this but better.
    Likely true. Means you don't need to be in Green, you can dump birds off the Library, especially if you put them there via Brainstorm. It's still likely too slow, versus the Buried Alive plan.
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    Hey Guys! Just wanted to share my card list that I was able to make my first top 8 with at the Seattle 1k this past weekend with. Feel free to tear it apart but here it is!

    Creatures & Planeswalker
    3 Dark Confidant
    3 Young Pyromancer
    4 Arclight Phoenix
    1 liliana, the last hope

    Instant & Sorceries
    4 Ponder
    3 Preordain
    4 Brainstorm
    3 Thoughtseize
    3 Cabal Therapy
    4 Dark Ritual
    4 Buried Alive
    2 Daze
    3 Lotus Petal
    2 Lightning Bolt
    2 surgical extractions

    Lands
    4 Polluted Dela
    3 Scalding Tarn
    1 Bloodstained Mire
    2 Underground Sea
    2 Volcanic Island
    1 Badlands
    1 Island
    1 Swamp

    Sb:
    2 tormods crypt
    2 dragons claw
    1 Engineered Explosives
    1 Engineered Plague
    1 alpine moon
    2 Abrade
    2 Goblin Cratermaker
    1 spell pierce
    1 flusterstorm
    2 Echoing Truth

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