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    Yeah. Poron, I’m with you. The card is crapola. O ring is just not “strictly” better. We tend to overuse that label, and this appears to be some of us curtailing it’s application.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Finn View Post
    Yeah. Poron, I’m with you. The card is crapola. O ring is just not “strictly” better. We tend to overuse that label, and this appears to be some of us curtailing it’s application.
    Technically, strictly better doesn't happen that often - Wilder Nacatl may be strictly better than Wild Nacatl but even for stuff like Red Elemental Blast compared to Pyroblast you can say that having a split is better than two pyroblasts because of stuff like Meddling Mage. More power is better except when Meekstone is in play, and so on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rufus View Post
    Technically, strictly better doesn't happen that often - Wilder Nacatl may be strictly better than Wild Nacatl but even for stuff like Red Elemental Blast compared to Pyroblast you can say that having a split is better than two pyroblasts because of stuff like Meddling Mage. More power is better except when Meekstone is in play, and so on.
    This is a strictly worse interpretation of the term strictly better.

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    ok, not strictly. I just would never cut myself out of the chance of removing Blood Moon or Thran Dynamo for scry1

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    Okay, so apparently Bolas got wrecked a bit:

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    Yeah, an insanely powerful block which put the "derp!" factor in Legacy completely over the top.

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    Power level is very high in this set, as most have realized. It's pretty exciting to see cards possibly slot into the eternal formats. None of the cards pertain to decks I personally play (so far) but it will be exciting figuring out the landscape after this set settles. Modern Horizons is only a few months away from potentially shaking up eternal formats yet again, so it's going to be a roller-coaster year I think for Modern and Legacy. Wotc is historically poor at reading the tea leaves for eternal formats, but it seems like they are getting closer to the mark with War and possibly Horizons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zombie View Post
    Okay, so apparently Bolas got wrecked a bit:

    So you're saying it can hit lands?

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    So you're saying it can hit lands?
    It hits some of the transform ones like Primal Wellspring or Vault of Catlacan too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Safety View Post
    Power level is very high in this set, as most have realized. It's pretty exciting to see cards possibly slot into the eternal formats. None of the cards pertain to decks I personally play (so far) but it will be exciting figuring out the landscape after this set settles. Modern Horizons is only a few months away from potentially shaking up eternal formats yet again, so it's going to be a roller-coaster year I think for Modern and Legacy. Wotc is historically poor at reading the tea leaves for eternal formats, but it seems like they are getting closer to the mark with War and possibly Horizons.
    With the current direction they're going, Horizon looks promising. Power level has increased quite a bit ever since DOM (aka the first set the playtesting team got their hands on), and since the playtest team could fully influence the third Ravnica, it definitely shows results. It feels like they actually understand what the game needs and how to balance things, unlike the previous R&D. We even get halfway decent nonbasic hate again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barook View Post
    With the current direction they're going, Horizon looks promising. Power level has increased quite a bit ever since DOM (aka the first set the playtesting team got their hands on), and since the playtest team could fully influence the third Ravnica, it definitely shows results. It feels like they actually understand what the game needs and how to balance things, unlike the previous R&D. We even get halfway decent nonbasic hate again.
    If Horizons includes Astral Slide, I'll definitely pick up MTGO again, and maybe even paper. If it doesn't, I'll write an epic, profanity laden tirade on the internet. (maybe, i'll probably have something better to do that day)

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    If Horizons includes Astral Slide, I'll definitely pick up MTGO again, and maybe even paper. If it doesn't, I'll write an epic, profanity laden tirade on the internet. (maybe, i'll probably have something better to do that day)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barook View Post
    With the current direction they're going, Horizon looks promising. Power level has increased quite a bit ever since DOM (aka the first set the playtesting team got their hands on), and since the playtest team could fully influence the third Ravnica, it definitely shows results. It feels like they actually understand what the game needs and how to balance things, unlike the previous R&D. We even get halfway decent nonbasic hate again.
    I was thinking the same, that Dominaria was a real turning point. Your insight helps me understand why. There seems to be a strong shift towards getting the 'old guard' back into the excitement of spoiler season. The rising quality of cards gives me hope that more cards will come off the banlist (Earthcraft, Mind Twist for legacy, Stoneforge Mystic for Modern) but I recognize that to be a pipe dream at this point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Safety View Post
    I was thinking the same, that Dominaria was a real turning point. Your insight helps me understand why. There seems to be a strong shift towards getting the 'old guard' back into the excitement of spoiler season. The rising quality of cards gives me hope that more cards will come off the banlist (Earthcraft, Mind Twist for legacy, Stoneforge Mystic for Modern) but I recognize that to be a pipe dream at this point.
    They don't care about the "old guard", as you call it. WotC needs sales to balance out Hasbro's fuck-ups. Good sets sale, bad ones don't.

    The main problem with R&D was that they had their heads to deep in their own asses due to echo chamber they've created. E.g. that tweet of Maro where he thought that having more than 4 copies of duals would break Legacy (when most lists don't run a full playset of a particular dual).

    What I really like about the set is that alot of cards feel interesting/powerful without going fully broken.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bruizar View Post
    I think where you misevaluate Ashiok is that it is the only card I can think of that allows multiple crypt effects. Relic, Tormod's Crypt, Nihil Spellbomb are all one time effects. Relic and Scavenging Ooze can be used multiple times if you pump a lot of mana into ooze or a lot of turns into Relic, but that's not the same thing.

    Decks can sort of mitigate or play through this, but Ashiok can pop the graveyard every turn for 5 turns. Even if it does get hit once you usually get two pops out of it. Not being able to defend itself isn't a hard requirement for a planeswalker, it certainly does help. I think you may also be misevaluating the impact of a static ability on a planeswalker, which means you actually get two uses out of it the turn it comes into play, instead of just 1. I could be wrong, but my hunch is that Ashiok is incredibly strong.
    I certainly forgot about her active ability and actually, that in itself is pretty good. You are right. However, the ability I was excited about was her static ability. There is more than enough grave hate easily accessible in this game, but there is not much effective fetch land hate that has alternative uses.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Safety View Post
    Wotc is historically poor at reading the tea leaves for eternal formats, but it seems like they are getting closer to the mark with War and possibly Horizons.
    I think they have a pretty good idea of what they need to do to shake up eternal formats. The problem is that they just dont care enough to do it as often as we would like. They print cards like abrupt decay which was intended for eternal formats. Id say that the card changed things and became a staple. It was also intentional on their part. I remember reading an article about them wanting to provide something to combat counterbalance decks. This was of course before SDT ban.


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    Any way to abuse this with PWs in the grave? Or is this just too damn expensive?
    I dont think this is too expensive. It's definitely on the high end but the issue I see is that it deals significant damage to you. So at the point it could be good enough to cast, you'd just die to it.

    I would combo Deepglow Skate with some powerful planeswalkers. I'm sure there is probably 2-3 that can win with their ults when they etb. These will work though.

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    with so many planeswalkers around Doubling season can be great. Let’s all read Sarkhan Vol’s ultimate about dragon with doubling season and think

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poron View Post
    with so many planeswalkers around Doubling season can be great. Let’s all read Sarkhan Vol’s ultimate about dragon with doubling season and think
    with doubling season, having 4 copies of Jace, Architect of Thought lets you play 4 cards from the opponent's deck for free, and then get another planeswalker, which can be either Narset Transcendent, which pretty much renders most decks useless with its ultimate (even moreso after cycling through the jaces), or Tamiyo, Field Researcher which allows you to draw 3 and get an unkillable omniscience. Sarkhan seems kinda lame compared to these guys imo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by [reptiLe] View Post
    with doubling season, having 4 copies of Jace, Architect of Thought lets you play 4 cards from the opponent's deck for free, and then get another planeswalker, which can be either Narset Transcendent, which pretty much renders most decks useless with its ultimate (even moreso after cycling through the jaces), or Tamiyo, Field Researcher which allows you to draw 3 and get an unkillable omniscience. Sarkhan seems kinda lame compared to these guys imo.
    Why not run something that actually wins the game, like JTMS or the new God Bolas, as a finisher?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barook View Post
    Why not run something that actually wins the game, like JTMS or the new God Bolas, as a finisher?
    because I'm lazy, I was just pointing out that jace architect is simply the best option with doubling season
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    So the story basically is that Bolas gets imprisoned and Gideon and Domri get killed?

    Got damn it WOTC, kill Jace already you cowards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CptHaddock View Post
    So the story basically is that Bolas gets imprisoned and Gideon and Domri get killed?

    Got damn it WOTC, kill Jace already you cowards.
    i guess the design space for gideon was depleted so he had to go

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