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    Re: War of the Spark

    I think citadel is worse than Ad Nauseam in the current dedicated Ad Nauseam storm decks for the reasons stated in the earlier posts (6 mana is higher than 5, bricks into lands etc)

    The card is really powerful though and possibly becomes better than Ad Nauseam when
    a) You can cheat it into play (e.g, in vintage you can slam this off tinker which seems ridiculous, but you already have combo options there with Jar/Vault and I'm not sure how much of an upgrade this is, if at all. It's also very good with Top in that format)
    b) You've built your deck in a way that you're consistently using this to cast spells that cost 2 or more mana (e.g. it can be a potentially-castable Omniscience substitute in some kind of UB Show and Tell Lim Duls Vault combo deck, like a Dream Halls 2.0. It's arguably better than Omni by itself because it makes everything free but it also provides CA)

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    Re: War of the Spark

    The man that proliferates I feel like can have some potential. Someone said Ballista plus pentad prism. Also can be nasty with storage lands. Everflowing Chalice is nice with it as well as tangle wire in some sort of tezzeret deck maybe. Maybe its more modern possible than legacy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Megadeus View Post
    The man that proliferates I feel like can have some potential. Someone said Ballista plus pentad prism. Also can be nasty with storage lands. Everflowing Chalice is nice with it as well as tangle wire in some sort of tezzeret deck maybe. Maybe its more modern possible than legacy.
    Even just in Infect I think that card might be playable

    I also discovered from looking at twitter that the 3BBB Bolas thing is castable off workshop lol
    It's also even better with top than I thought it was (I was thinking you can reorder the top 3 to get a fresh spell but anytime you get stuck on a land you tap Top to draw the land and then replay the Top off the top of your library for 1 life)

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    Quote Originally Posted by morgan_coke View Post
    So, Citadel + Rituals + Thopter/Sword? Is that what we're looking at here?
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    Re: War of the Spark

    Quote Originally Posted by rufus View Post
    It's easier to bust it with Thought Lash.
    Doesn't work, Citadel asks you to pay life, Thought Lash prevents damage.
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    Yeah, an insanely powerful block which put the "derp!" factor in Legacy completely over the top.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zombie View Post
    Doesn't work, Citadel asks you to pay life, Thought Lash prevents damage.
    I think he just means you use Thought Lash to remove the cards you don't want to play. Plus, the damage prevention should keep the life lose from mattering too much.
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    I'm not sure how viable it is, but you could run Bolas' Citadel along with Aetherflux Reservoir in a similar to 2-land belcher type shell.

    4x Dark Ritual
    4x Cabal Ritual
    4x Land Grant
    4x Brainstorm
    4x Ponder
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    4x Aetherflux Reservoir
    4x Manamorphose
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    4x Seething Song
    4x Past in Flames
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    4x Simian Spirit Guide
    4x Elvish Spirit Guide
    4x Chrome Mox
    4x Mox Opal

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    You could also run a bunch of mana rocks in this, or stuff like Basalt Monolith, or Signets. I dunno, it's definitely doable, but I'm not sure it's better than other options.

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    Re: War of the Spark

    I mean, it certainly is an interesting card, but it costs 6 mana and plus, being an Artifact now-a-days is a liability.

    Fun to explore, but likely a good bit worse, in the competitive sense, than anything we already have access to.
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    Yeah seems like it will be hard to make it work in legacy with so much mana just to put the pieces on board, though the Citadel + top + aetherflux combo is definitely something I'm going to try in EDH.

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    Re: War of the Spark

    Quote Originally Posted by Smuggo View Post
    Yeah seems like it will be hard to make it work in legacy with so much mana just to put the pieces on board, though the Citadel + top + aetherflux combo is definitely something I'm going to try in EDH.
    Yeah, in EDH, where you had access to things like Sol Ring, where "big-Mana" is more viable and where you have more time and life to spend, I think the card is almost certainly a hit.

    You could probably also have some kind of "secondary" combo with Paradox Engine in there too somehow. Via something like Pontiff of Blight or something else with Extort, or I'm sure something else too.
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    For realsies this time!
    The combo Cheerios deserves!
    Once you stick one of these it's GG if you build the deck right, because you can tap for 10, poop out another one and 9 other permanants and win.
    In addition to grapeshot....tendrils..whatever. (I like tendrils since the life gain lets you keep going)

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    Diabolic Edict is now "Strictly worse"


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    Quote Originally Posted by BenBleiweiss View Post
    Diabolic Edict is now "Strictly worse"

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    I'm actually looking at this defensively - is this some weird anti-Chalice tech that you can shoehorn in?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kombatkiwi View Post
    I think citadel is worse than Ad Nauseam in the current dedicated Ad Nauseam storm decks for the reasons stated in the earlier posts (6 mana is higher than 5, bricks into lands etc)

    The card is really powerful though and possibly becomes better than Ad Nauseam when
    a) You can cheat it into play (e.g, in vintage you can slam this off tinker which seems ridiculous, but you already have combo options there with Jar/Vault and I'm not sure how much of an upgrade this is, if at all. It's also very good with Top in that format)
    b) You've built your deck in a way that you're consistently using this to cast spells that cost 2 or more mana (e.g. it can be a potentially-castable Omniscience substitute in some kind of UB Show and Tell Lim Duls Vault combo deck, like a Dream Halls 2.0. It's arguably better than Omni by itself because it makes everything free but it also provides CA)
    It's worse in someways, but I think better in others: Casting your spells instead of drawing them I think is better. The Ability to brainstorm spells you can't afford so that you can cast them. I think a weird Cheerios hybrid is the direction to use this card.

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    Re: War of the Spark

    Quote Originally Posted by BenBleiweiss View Post
    Diabolic Edict is now "Strictly worse"

    Not quite: You can Edict away your own critter so Echoing Decay/Truth doesn't wipe your board.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lemnear
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    Yeah, an insanely powerful block which put the "derp!" factor in Legacy completely over the top.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zombie View Post
    Not quite: You can Edict away your own critter so Echoing Decay/Truth doesn't wipe your board.
    Fair, but also can't be Divert/Misdirected.

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    Re: War of the Spark

    Quote Originally Posted by BenBleiweiss View Post
    Fair, but also can't be Divert/Misdirected.
    It's certainly better most of the time, but the argument he was making is that it can't be "strictly" better when there are situations where Diabolic Edict is better.

    Another example is against a deck that has cards it actively wants to discard, such as vs Dredge or Reanimator. Since the opponent chooses what they discard, it could be a drawback. Very unlikely situation to be in, but still relevant in making the new Edict not "strictly" better.

    Regardless, I do see this card replacing Diabolic Edict in most of the decks that currently play Diabolic Edict. Not targeting an opponent, with the possibility of getting a 2-for-1 if you have a Liliana on the board, are pretty big upsides.
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    Re: War of the Spark

    Quote Originally Posted by BenBleiweiss View Post


    I'm actually looking at this defensively - is this some weird anti-Chalice tech that you can shoehorn in?
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    Re: War of the Spark

    Quote Originally Posted by morgan_coke View Post
    New Gideon is up there with the best 3 mana creatures ever printed.
    Since it can target itself, it's a 3 mana indestructible 4/4 lifelinker, that every 3 turns from ETB can exile a non-land permanent. I will be trying it along Gideon of the Trials so see if I can make the Oops all Gideon deck work

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