I think citadel is worse than Ad Nauseam in the current dedicated Ad Nauseam storm decks for the reasons stated in the earlier posts (6 mana is higher than 5, bricks into lands etc)
The card is really powerful though and possibly becomes better than Ad Nauseam when
a) You can cheat it into play (e.g, in vintage you can slam this off tinker which seems ridiculous, but you already have combo options there with Jar/Vault and I'm not sure how much of an upgrade this is, if at all. It's also very good with Top in that format)
b) You've built your deck in a way that you're consistently using this to cast spells that cost 2 or more mana (e.g. it can be a potentially-castable Omniscience substitute in some kind of UB Show and Tell Lim Duls Vault combo deck, like a Dream Halls 2.0. It's arguably better than Omni by itself because it makes everything free but it also provides CA)
The man that proliferates I feel like can have some potential. Someone said Ballista plus pentad prism. Also can be nasty with storage lands. Everflowing Chalice is nice with it as well as tangle wire in some sort of tezzeret deck maybe. Maybe its more modern possible than legacy.
Even just in Infect I think that card might be playable
I also discovered from looking at twitter that the 3BBB Bolas thing is castable off workshop lol
It's also even better with top than I thought it was (I was thinking you can reorder the top 3 to get a fresh spell but anytime you get stuck on a land you tap Top to draw the land and then replay the Top off the top of your library for 1 life)
It's easier to bust it with Thought Lash.
"The Ancients teach us that if we can but last, we shall prevail."
—Kaysa, Elder Druid of the Juniper Order
I'm not sure how viable it is, but you could run Bolas' Citadel along with Aetherflux Reservoir in a similar to 2-land belcher type shell.
4x Dark Ritual
4x Cabal Ritual
4x Land Grant
4x Brainstorm
4x Ponder
4x Bolas' Citadel
4x Aetherflux Reservoir
4x Manamorphose
4x Rite of Flame
4x Seething Song
4x Past in Flames
2x Tendrils of Agony
4x Simian Spirit Guide
4x Elvish Spirit Guide
4x Chrome Mox
4x Mox Opal
1x Bayou
1x Tropical Island
You could also run a bunch of mana rocks in this, or stuff like Basalt Monolith, or Signets. I dunno, it's definitely doable, but I'm not sure it's better than other options.
I mean, it certainly is an interesting card, but it costs 6 mana and plus, being an Artifact now-a-days is a liability.
Fun to explore, but likely a good bit worse, in the competitive sense, than anything we already have access to.
"The Ancients teach us that if we can but last, we shall prevail."
—Kaysa, Elder Druid of the Juniper Order
Yeah seems like it will be hard to make it work in legacy with so much mana just to put the pieces on board, though the Citadel + top + aetherflux combo is definitely something I'm going to try in EDH.
Yeah, in EDH, where you had access to things like Sol Ring, where "big-Mana" is more viable and where you have more time and life to spend, I think the card is almost certainly a hit.
You could probably also have some kind of "secondary" combo with Paradox Engine in there too somehow. Via something like Pontiff of Blight or something else with Extort, or I'm sure something else too.
"The Ancients teach us that if we can but last, we shall prevail."
—Kaysa, Elder Druid of the Juniper Order
The combo Cheerios deserves!
Once you stick one of these it's GG if you build the deck right, because you can tap for 10, poop out another one and 9 other permanants and win.
In addition to grapeshot....tendrils..whatever. (I like tendrils since the life gain lets you keep going)
Diabolic Edict is now "Strictly worse"
I'm actually looking at this defensively - is this some weird anti-Chalice tech that you can shoehorn in?
It's certainly better most of the time, but the argument he was making is that it can't be "strictly" better when there are situations where Diabolic Edict is better.
Another example is against a deck that has cards it actively wants to discard, such as vs Dredge or Reanimator. Since the opponent chooses what they discard, it could be a drawback. Very unlikely situation to be in, but still relevant in making the new Edict not "strictly" better.
Regardless, I do see this card replacing Diabolic Edict in most of the decks that currently play Diabolic Edict. Not targeting an opponent, with the possibility of getting a 2-for-1 if you have a Liliana on the board, are pretty big upsides.
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