The deadline has passed, and again I have decks from all the regulars, so here we go:
DECKS FOR ROUND 5 OF THE BLOCK TOUR Part 2 ( Return to Ravnica block):
1. Asthereal (TO): Godless Shrine, Dryad Militant, Dutiful Thrull, Shrieking Affliction
2. Wrath of Pie: Swamp, Rakdos Cackler, Rakdos Cackler, Shrieking Affliction
3. square_two: Breeding Pool, Wasteland Viper, Rapid Hybridization, Serene Remembrance
4. Tylert: Swamp, Drainpipe Vermin, Shrieking Affliction, Shrieking Affliction
5. H: Blood Crypt, Shrieking Affliction, Drainpipe Vermin, Mugging
6. Unlif3: Blood Crypt, Rakdos Cackler, Mugging, Shrieking Affliction
7. FTW: Overgrown Tomb, Swamp, Abrupt Decay, Lotleth Troll
8. GoblinSmashmaster: Blood Crypt, Shrieking Affliction, Mugging, Rakdos Cackler
Please post your scores and cross-check with the opponents.
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Asthereal's results for round 5:
1. Asthereal (TO): Godless Shrine, Dryad Militant, Dutiful Thrull, Shrieking Affliction
That's me, with a somewhat untuned version of what everybody seems to be playing...
2. Wrath of Pie: Swamp, Rakdos Cackler, Rakdos Cackler, Shrieking Affliction
Shrine costs 2 life, or makes me be on the draw when on the play. I fear you just race me. 0-6
3. square_two: Breeding Pool, Wasteland Viper, Rapid Hybridization, Serene Remembrance
Wow, this one's complicated. EDIT: Actually, FTW is probably right and we draw this. 2-2
4. Tylert: Swamp, Drainpipe Vermin, Shrieking Affliction, Shrieking Affliction
Actually, I get to just play Land>Dryad, and you can never attack as Dryad would race you, and keeping two cards in hand means Affliction never turns on. So you keep back Vermin for defence and we draw twice. 2-2
5. H: Blood Crypt, Shrieking Affliction, Drainpipe Vermin, Mugging
Re-evalutated this. The one who plays the third card first loses the Affliction race. I open with Dryad or Thrull, you Mug it and we're stuck. 2-2
6. Unlif3: Blood Crypt, Rakdos Cackler, Mugging, Shrieking Affliction
Re-evalutated this. See analysis below. OTD I lose because you're a tad faster, OTP we draw. 1-4
7. FTW: Overgrown Tomb, Swamp, Abrupt Decay, Lotleth Troll
You get to Decay Affliction, and regen dudes make this a stalemate. 2-2
8. GoblinSmashmaster: Blood Crypt, Rakdos Cackler, Mugging, Shrieking Affliction
Re-evalutated this. See analysis below. OTD I lose because you're a tad faster, OTP we draw. 1-4
Total: 10 points
Against Unlif3 & GoblinSmashmaster
OTD
U: Crypt (U=18), cast Cackler
A: Shrine (A=18) - if I cast Thrull
U: Cast Mugging on Thrull, attack, A=16
A: Have to cast Affliction, or you win the race anyway
U: U=15, cast Allfiction, attack, A=14
A: A=11, cast Dryad
U: U=12, attack, block and trade - from here:
A=8, U=9, A=5, U=6, A=2, U=3, A=dead
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A: Shrine (A=18) - if I instead cast Dryad
U: Cast Mugging on Dryad, attack (A=16)
A: Have to cast Affliction, or you win the race anyway
U: U=15, cast Affliction, attack, A=14
A: A=11, cast Thrull
U: U=12, attack, can't block or Thrull dies, so A=9
A: A=6 and Thrull won't help anymore.
So I lose OTD
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OTP
A: Shrine (A=18), cast Thrull
U: Crypt (U=18). If you cast Cackler, I can block eternally for a draw.
So if you want to win, you have to try Mugging the Thrull.
A: If I go for a win and dast Dryad, here's what happens:
U: Cast Affliction
A: A=15, cast Affliction, attack, U=16
U: U=13, cast Cackler (no unleash)
A: A=12, attack, block and trade, and from here:
U=10, A=9, U=7, A=6, U=4, A=3, U=1 and A dies.
So I have to go for the draw. Unlif3 and GSM also can't go for the win, so we draw.
Last edited by Asthereal; 11-09-2019 at 06:59 AM.
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Wow, everyone played Shrieking Affliction. I thought more people would try things like Forced Adaptation, Madcap Skills, or Savageborn Hydra (just racing Affliction) or even Hands of Binding (on a flyer), necessitating removal that doesn't lose to Judge's Familiar. Completely misjudged this meta!
7. FTW: Overgrown Tomb, Swamp, Abrupt Decay, Lotleth Troll
1. Asthereal (TO): Decay Affliction and Stalemate against regenerators. DD 2-2
2. Wrath of Pie: Decay Affliction and Stalemate against your attackers. DD 2-2
3. square_two: See below. You beat creature-based decks, just very slowly. LL 0-6
4. Tylert: I can Decay one Affliction, but then Vermin + 2nd Affliction race my Troll. LL 0-6
5. H: Decay Affliction, Mugging kills Troll when I'm tapped out, and then Vermin gets there. LL 0-6
6. Unlif3: Same as H. LL 0-6
8. GoblinSmashmaster: Same as H. LL 0-6
4 points (4 draws)
FTL vs Square_Two:
Me - Tapped land
You - Pool. Viper. [You=18]
Me - Swamp. Decay Viper.
You - Pass
Me - Troll. You Hybridize it into a 3/3.
You - Serene Rememberance. Your library = Serene Rememberance -> Hybridization -> Viper (in 4CB we always get the worst reshuffle)
Me - Attack for 3. [You =15]
You - Draw Rememberance.
Me - Attack for 3. [You=12]
You - Draw Hybridization
Me - Attack for 3. You can Hybridize it into another 3/3 to kick it out of combat.
You - Wasteland Viper
Now you can block me, so I can never attack again. You can Serene Rememberance again and Hybridize your own Viper into a 3/3, but your 3/3 can't attack me because mine will race you. So you do it again... make another Viper and Hybridize it. Then you have 2 3/3s. Then you have 3 3/3s. Eventually you can race me.
1. Asthereal (TO): Godless Shrine, Dryad Militant, Dutiful Thrull, Shrieking Affliction
2. Wrath of Pie: Swamp, Rakdos Cackler, Rakdos Cackler, Shrieking Affliction
3. square_two: Breeding Pool, Wasteland Viper, Rapid Hybridization, Serene Remembrance
4. Tylert: Swamp, Drainpipe Vermin, Shrieking Affliction, Shrieking Affliction
5. H: Blood Crypt, Shrieking Affliction, Drainpipe Vermin, Mugging
6. Unlif3: Blood Crypt, Rakdos Cackler, Mugging, Shrieking Affliction
7. FTW: Overgrown Tomb, Swamp, Abrupt Decay, Lotleth Troll
8. GoblinSmashmaster: Blood Crypt, Shrieking Affliction, Mugging, Rakdos Cackler
shrieking affliction is not the rack. i have to redo this :)
You have a better line. Just play 1 creature and leave 2 cards in hand.
A - Tapped Shrine
T - Swamp, Vermin
A - Dryad
T - Affliction. If T attacks for 1, A doesn't block and attacks back for 2, so T doesn't attack.
A - Do nothing.
T - Affliction. Same problem.
A - Do nothing.
Stalemate. DD 2-2
Everyone with 1 drop decks can do this to draw. I can't because I have a 2-drop, so I would lose to 20 Vermin attacks unless I play something.
I swear i tried to find a deck that would beat shrieking affliction, but i did not.
The only decks that could have beaten shrieking affliction, like triple boros elite or savageborn hydra loose to the 1 removal deck (Mugging or Abrupt decay) so it was a big no no for me.
Without this card, the round would probably have been way better!
Great deck! I think you draw against most of them though. See my other comment. They can leave 2 cards in hand to nullify Shrieking Affliction. You can't force them to discard. They can choose to never attack or block you. If you attack, any 2/x races you, so you're forced to leave it on defense and draw.
That's where Shrieking Affliction is worse than The Rack. They need to be at 0-1 cards. It does nothing at 2 cards. The lack of discard to force hand size down to 1 is why I didn't expect to see so much Shrieking Affliction played.
I think you can't race him. He can nullify Affliction often (keep 2 cards in hand). Against most decks he just needs to turn his Viper into a 3/3, then sit on 2 cards in hand and no one can deal him any damage, at worst DD for him. He might even be able to win if he can make more 3/3s before Afflictions hurt him. Your one advantage is Dryad Militant, which could exile his spell and break the loop, so he has to play around that.
A - Shrine, Dryad Militant (play Dryad first to threaten to exile Hybridization) [A=18]
S - Pool, Viper [S=18]
A - Thrull (no point in Affliction yet). Attacking with Dryad into Viper is bad (you need to threaten to exile RH) so you pass.
S - Leave up mana.
A - Affliction. Attacking is not favorable yet. Pass.
S - 0 damage from Affliction. Leave up mana.
If you never attack, he can just sit there and draw.
A - You attack to try to beat the draw. Both Dryad and Thrull attack. You have regen mana. Viper trades with Dryad. [S=17]
S - 0 damage from Affliction. Cast Rememberance, reshuffling --> Rememberance first, then Viper
A - Attack for 1 [S=16]
S - Affliction hits. [S=13] He draws Rememberance and passes with 2 cards.
A - Attack for 1 [S=12]
S - Draw Viper and cast it.
A - Now you can't deal damage with Affliction or Thrull. He can just sit there and draw.
DD 2-2
I think he's too low in life to RH himself into enough 3/3s to win. He would have to make 2 to get past your regenerator and he takes Affliction damage in between each time.
Last edited by Asthereal; 11-06-2019 at 09:44 AM.
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yeah yeah... saw that... I still win versus H who choose to play a 1/1 and so i have first blood each time!
here is my new analysis:
1. Asthereal (TO): Godless Shrine, Dryad Militant, Dutiful Thrull, Shrieking Affliction
2. Wrath of Pie: Swamp, Rakdos Cackler, Rakdos Cackler, Shrieking Affliction
3. square_two: Breeding Pool, Wasteland Viper, Rapid Hybridization, Serene Remembrance
4. Tylert: Swamp, Drainpipe Vermin, Shrieking Affliction, Shrieking Affliction
5. H: Blood Crypt, Shrieking Affliction, Drainpipe Vermin, Mugging
6. Unlif3: Blood Crypt, Rakdos Cackler, Mugging, Shrieking Affliction
7. FTW: Overgrown Tomb, Swamp, Abrupt Decay, Lotleth Troll
8. GoblinSmashmaster: Blood Crypt, Shrieking Affliction, Mugging, Rakdos Cackler
1. Asthereal: If you just play a 1 drop and either do not block if i attack and do not attack if i stay in defense, it's a draw. 2-2 --> 2
2 Wrath of Pie: If you just play a 1 drop and either do not block if i attack and do not attack if i stay in defense, it's a draw. 2-2 --> 4
3. square_two: same here. 2-2 --> 6
4. Me.
5. H: You are playing a 1 drop, but it's a vermin. 1/1 also. If you play crypt untapped to block with vermin, you'll have less life and loose your mugging. I'll have affliction first on the board and win. If you play crypt tapped, you will be attacked by vermin first. If you try to "mugging" my vermin, you'll loose a card... You can't race because you will allways have less life than me. so I win both OTP and OTD. 6-0 --> 12
6. Unlif3: same here 2-2 --> 14
7. FTW: Ahaha you're playing a two drop! 6-0 --> 18
8. GoblinSmashmaster: you're playing a 1 drop 2-2 --> 20
I had forgotten that a 1/1 could draw the game when playing shrieking affliction.
I remembered to not play the triple shrieking affliction deck just because the opponent could do nothing and win and would have to impact the board... but SHrieking affliction is not the rack... and he needs to drop two cards :(
Total = 20.
Yeah Drainpipe Vermin can't force discard and is easy to play around.
Did you see my comment earlier about square_two? I think he 2-2s you and Tylert and beats most other Affliction decks.
2. Wrath of Pie: Swamp, Rakdos Cackler, Rakdos Cackler, Shrieking Affliction
1. Asthereal (TO): Godless Shrine, Dryad Militant, Dutiful Thrull, Shrieking Affliction WW - Shockland leaves me ahead on life which means you are forced to play into Affliction, which works out poorly.
3. square_two: Breeding Pool, Wasteland Viper, Rapid Hybridization, Serene Remembrance LL - You found 1-drops that beat Affliction!
4. Tylert: Swamp, Drainpipe Vermin, Shrieking Affliction, Shrieking Affliction DD
5. H: Blood Crypt, Shrieking Affliction, Drainpipe Vermin, Mugging WW - See explanation post.
6. Unlif3: Blood Crypt, Rakdos Cackler, Mugging, Shrieking Affliction WD - See explanation post.
7. FTW: Overgrown Tomb, Swamp, Abrupt Decay, Lotleth Troll DD - I think Golgari Guildgate would have been better for you over Overgrown Tomb.
8. GoblinSmashmaster: Blood Crypt, Shrieking Affliction, Mugging, Rakdos Cackler WD - See explanation post.
6w6d = 24 points
Last edited by Wrath of Pie; 11-08-2019 at 11:15 AM.
H: Blood Crypt, Shrieking Affliction, Drainpipe Vermin, Mugging
1. Asthereal (TO): Godless Shrine, Dryad Militant, Dutiful Thrull, Shrieking Affliction
Probably correct that whoever is on the play wins. 3-3
2. Wrath of Pie: Swamp, Rakdos Cackler, Rakdos Cackler, Shrieking Affliction
I think I lose here, since a 2/2 races a 1/1. 0-6
3. square_two: Breeding Pool, Wasteland Viper, Rapid Hybridization, Serene Remembrance
My intuition says I lose these, but I don't know what the math says.
If I am on the Play:
H: Crypt, untapped [H=18], Vermin. (Affliction does nothing here.)
S2: Pool, lets say Untapped [S2=18], the only card that does anything is Viper.
H: Mugging on Viper, attack for 1, [S2=17].
S2: Remembrance, shuffling Remembrance and Viper. Library order: Remembrance on top and Viper on bottom.
H: Attack for 1, play Affliction. [S2=16]
S2: Only RH in hand, so take 3 from Affliction [S2=13], pass. Hand is now RH, Remembrance.
H: Attack for 1 [S2=12]
S2: No Affliction damage, Draw Viper, play Viper.
H: If I attack and S2 blocks, I can trigger Vermin. If S2 discards Remembrance, I don't think Hybridiazation on the Viper can win the race, since S2 will be at 9 on the next turn, the 3/3 won't be able to attack until the following turn and I am at 18 then to 6. So, the discard, if it happens must be Hybridization. That would delay a 3/3 by another two turns, which I don't think gets there. So, it would seem that it's best to not block at all. So, [S2=11].
S2: Hybridize the Viper, pass.
H: I definitely want to attack here, since Remembrance is the only card in hand. Again, S2 can't race here with just a 3/3 losing Remembrance, so, no block. [S2=10].
S2: Only one card in hand, Remembrance, so [S2=7]. Cast Remembrance, order is Remembrance, RH, Viper. You have a 6 turn clock (18/3) but I have 3 coming next turn, (4), plus 3 on the following turn, plus a potential attack (7). So, attacking does not seem to win yet, so pass.
H: No attack since it can be blocked.
S2: No cards in hand, so Affliction [S2=4], one card in hand, Remembrance, does nothing, so pass, the attack still can't race.
H: Attack, since I can trigger Vermin for gain on a block. If no block, I win the the following upkeep. If blocked, I trigger Vermin, discarding Remembrance, then there is no way for S2 to race the Affliction.
So, I think I win on the Play. Unsure about the Draw, but my guess is that it doesn't make that much of a difference?
More analysis needed, clearly.
4. Tylert: Swamp, Drainpipe Vermin, Shrieking Affliction, Shrieking Affliction
I don't think I can win this. 0-6
5. H: Bye, myself.
6. Unlif3: Blood Crypt, Rakdos Cackler, Mugging, Shrieking Affliction
We just trade wins on the Play? 3-3
7. FTW: Overgrown Tomb, Swamp, Abrupt Decay, Lotleth Troll
FTW covered this, I can win both. 6-0
8. GoblinSmashmaster: Blood Crypt, Shrieking Affliction, Mugging, Rakdos Cackler
I think this is a double draw. 2-2
Still really unsure on the line for my matchup with square_two though...
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