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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    7. FTW: Swamp, Swamp, Inquisition of Kozilek, Guul Draz Assassin


    1. Asthereal (TO): OTP my Assassin levels up first and kills yours. OTD yours kills mine. WL 3-3
    2. Tylert: OTP my Assassin levels up first and kills yours. OTD yours kills mine. WL 3-3
    3. Unlif3: OTD you play Guide (18), I Inquisition one. You play Guide (14). I play Assassin. You attack me to 10. Level 1. You attack me to 6. Level 2. You attack me to 2. On the next attack I can block one and -2/-2 the other to draw. OTP I'm 1 turn faster, kill both your guys and win. WD 4-1
    4. GoblinSmashmaster: Same as Unlif3, only I Inquisition the Flame Slash to protect my Assassin. WD 4-1
    5. Wrath of Pie: OTP I play Assassin, you play Student. Level 1. You hit Level 2 and attack (17). Level 2. You hit Level 4 and attack (14). Level 3. You hit Level 6 and attack (11). Level 4. You hit Level 7 and attack (3), then play Student #2. Now I'm 4/4 and can both block 1 Student and -4/-4 the other to survive the next attack, so I win. OTD you're a turn faster and I can't stop Level 7 in time. WL 3-3
    6. H: OTD you play Student, I play Assassin. You only have one land so we both level 1 per turn. You hit Level 4, then I hit Level 4. Then I can start killing all your guys and win. OTP I'm even faster. WW 6-0

    23 points (7 wins, 2 draws)

    No one played Spreading Seas to hate on Level Up mana so my backup swamp was unnecessary.
    Sejiri Refuge, Quicksand, Halimar Wavewatch, Spreading Seas could have been interesting.

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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    Asthereal's results for round 2:

    1. Asthereal (TO): that's me, again sporting something pretty obvious, apparently: Swamp, Quicksand, Inquisition of Kozilek, Guul Draz Assassin
    2. Tylert: We Inquisition eachothers Inquisition, and whoever levels up Guul first wins it. So we both win OTP. 3-3
    3. Unlif3: If I can still count, I should win this even on the draw. Calculations below. 6-0
    4. GoblinSmashmaster: I have to Inquisiton the Slash, but then it amounts to the same as above. 6-0
    5. Wrath of Pie: Again new calculations done, see below. Tylert found a draw on the draw, and we race you on the play. 4-1
    6. H: One Plains means leveling up is slow. Guul becomes 4/4 fast enough to kill your Students. 6-0
    7. FTW: We Inquisition eachothers Inquisition, and whoever levels up Guul first wins it. So we both win OTP. 3-3

    Total: 28 points

    Against Wrath:
    EDIT:

    OTP:
    A: Swa, Guu
    W: Pla, Stu
    A: Qui, Guu +1l
    W: Pla, Stu +2l, Stu=3/3fs, at, A=17
    A: Guu +1l, Guu=l2 so 2/2 + -2/-2 eff
    W: Stu +2l, Stu=l4, att, A=14
    A: Guu +1l, Guu=l3
    W: Stu +2l, Stu=l6, att, A=11
    A: Guu +1l, Guu=l4 so 4/4 with -4/-4 eff
    W: Stu +1l, Stu=l7, so 4/4 double strike, att, A=3, cast Stu2
    A: (do nothing)
    W: Stu2 +2l, Stu2=3/3, if att, Guu blocks 3/3 and uses -4/-4 on Stu1 who is 4/4 double strike, killing it.
    I win from here.

    OTD
    W: Pla, Stu
    A: Swa, Inq away Stu2
    W: Pla, Stu +2l, Stu=3/3fs, att, A=17
    A: Qui, cast Guu
    W: Stu +2l, Stu=l4, att, A=14
    A: Qui, Guu +1l
    W: Stu +2l, Stu=l6, att, A=11
    A: Guu +1l, Guu=l2 so 2/2 + -2/-2 eff
    W: Stu +2l, Stu=l8, so 4/4 double strike, att, A=3
    A: (do nothing)
    W: If Stu attacks, Guu blocks, then gives -2/-2 and Qui gives -1/-2, making Stu 0/1.
    So W can't attack and I can't do anything anymore, so we end up drawing.

    Against Unlif3 and GSM:
    U/G: Mou, Gui, att, A=18
    A: Swa, Inq Gui/Sla
    U/G: Gui, att, A=14
    A: Qui, Guu
    U/G: att, A=10
    A: Guu +1l
    U/G: att, A=6
    A: Guu +1;, Guu=l2 so 2/2 + can do -2/-2 eff
    U/G: att, A=2
    A: Guu does -2/-2 eff on one Gui, Qui kills other Gui
    I win from here.

    Glad I took a Quicksand with me. Gains me a few points here.

    Also, @FTW: Student at level 7+ has double strike, which means both first strike and normal strike, so your Guul dies when he blocks. They don't trade. Also, I think your math might be off. Or mine might be.
    Last edited by Asthereal; 10-16-2019 at 11:29 AM.
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    Goblin-Slash-master results for round "The Guulish Inquisition"

    1. Asthereal (TO): Swamp, Quicksand, Inquisition of Kozilek, Guul Draz Assassin
    Too many -2/-2s 0-6

    2. Tylert: Swamp, Quicksand, Inquisition of Kozilek, Guul Draz Assassin
    Same thing 0-6

    3. Unlif3: Mountain, Goblin Guide, Goblin Guide, Goblin Guide
    Mirror match 2-2

    4. GoblinSmashmaster: Mountain, Goblin Guide, Goblin Guide, Flame Slash
    That's me, the Goblin Slash deck... wishing I had just played Dragons

    5. Wrath of Pie: Plains, Plains, Student of Warfare, Student of Warfare
    Slashmaster slows you down 1-4

    6. H: Plains, Student of Warfare, Student of Warfare, Student of Warfare
    Only one plains 6-0

    7. FTW: Swamp, Swamp, Inquisition of Kozilek, Guul Draz Assassin
    No Quicksand 1-4

    10 points :(
    Last edited by GoblinSmashmaster; 10-17-2019 at 12:49 PM.

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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    1. Asthereal (TO): Swamp, Quicksand, Inquisition of Kozilek, Guul Draz Assassin
    2. Tylert: Swamp, Quicksand, Inquisition of Kozilek, Guul Draz Assassin
    3. Unlif3: Mountain, Goblin Guide, Goblin Guide, Goblin Guide
    4. GoblinSmashmaster: Mountain, Goblin Guide, Goblin Guide, Flame Slash
    5. Wrath of Pie: Plains, Plains, Student of Warfare, Student of Warfare
    6. H: Plains, Student of Warfare, Student of Warfare, Student of Warfare
    7. FTW: Swamp, Swamp, Inquisition of Kozilek, Guul Draz Assassin

    1. Asthereal: First one to play assassin wins. 3-3 --> 3
    2. ME.
    3. Unlif3:
    OTP:
    T1 = swamp Inqui (taking gob), Mountain gob (18)
    T2 = Quicksand, Ass. Gob (14)
    T3 = LEvel 1. (10)
    T4 = Level 2. (6)
    T5 = I kill one guy and can quicksand the other one. I win.
    OTD:
    T1 = mount, Gob (18). Swamp Ass
    T2 = gob (14). Inqui.
    T3 = 10. Level 1
    T4 = 6. Level 2
    T5 = 2. I kill one guy with assassin the other one with quicksand.
    6-0 --> 6. 9
    4. Goblinsmashmaster: Same scenario as above. I have to inqui first each time for flame slash. 6-0 --> 15
    5. Wrath of Pie: OTP:
    T1 = Swmap Ass. plains, student
    T2 = quick sand, level 1. plains, level 1, student (19)
    T3 = level 2. level 3/0 (16)
    T4 = Level 3. level 3/2 (10)
    T5 = Level 4. Level 5/2
    I win.
    If you play one student to make it 4/4 as soon as possible:
    T1 = Swmap Ass. plains, student
    T2 = quick sand, level 1. plains, level 2, (17)
    T3 = level 2. plains level 3 (14), student
    T4 = Level 3. level 5 (11)
    T5 = Level 4. Level 7 (3)
    T6 = Win.
    OTD:
    T1 = Plains, student. Swmap Inqui.
    T2 = plains LEvel 2 (17). assassin
    T3 = Level 3 (14). Level 1
    T4 = Level 5 (11). Level 2.
    T5 = Level 7 (3). I don't do anything.
    T6 = If you attack , i give you -3/-4 by sacrificing quicksand and -2/-2 from the assassin. I can't do it and level at the same time so it's a draw.
    4-1 --> 19
    6. H: This one is more straight forward than the precedent scenario because you can only level once per turn. If you try to level one guy to 7+ i'm faster and can kill it. If you try to level multiple guys, I can kill them one by one at some point in time. 6-0 --> 25
    7. FTW: Inferior mirror deck, but still draw. Whoever plays assassin first wins it. 3-3 --> 28

    Total = 28.

    I'm glad i found somehow one of the better decks. I had not planned to encounter the double plains / double student deck (I only planned for the thre students deck). Need to improve my deckbuilding a bit therefore.

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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    Quote Originally Posted by FTW View Post

    No one played Spreading Seas to hate on Level Up mana so my backup swamp was unnecessary.
    Sejiri Refuge, Quicksand, Halimar Wavewatch, Spreading Seas could have been interesting.
    Oh. sorry about "inferior Mirror deck". Did not think about spreading seas :)

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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    Well, doesn't look like much analysis is needed, I can't see a single game I win, so zero for me.

    I didn't really think too much about how bad the bottleneck would be with only one Plains and I thought, because I didn't really feel like doing the math, that 2 Plains and 2 Students would lose to IoK. Oh well.
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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    Quote Originally Posted by Asthereal View Post
    Also, @FTW: Student at level 7+ has double strike, which means both first strike and normal strike, so your Guul dies when he blocks.
    Guul doesn't block it. OTP he -4/-4s the Level 7 Student and can block the other 3/3 one. OTD he's too slow.

    Me - Guul
    Wrath - Student

    Me - Level 1
    Wrath - Level 2 3/3 (17)

    Me - Level 2
    Wrath - Level 4 (14)

    Me - Level 3
    Wrath - Level 6 (11)

    Me - Level 4. 4/4 but tapped out.
    Wrath - Level 7. Attack 4/4 double strike (3). 2nd Student

    Me - Pass the turn
    Wrath - 2nd Student to Level 2. But 4/4 double strike + 3/3 first strike aren't enough. I can block the 3/3 and -4/-4 the 4/4 to survive. Otherwise I EOT kill the 4/4, untap and kill the 3/3.

    OTD I die before I get to activate Guul. WL 3-3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FTW View Post
    Guul doesn't block it. OTP he -4/-4s the Level 7 Student and can block the other 3/3 one. OTD he's too slow.

    Me - Guul
    Wrath - Student

    Me - Level 1
    Wrath - Level 2 3/3 (17)

    Me - Level 2
    Wrath - Level 4 (14)

    Me - Level 3
    Wrath - Level 6 (11)

    Me - Level 4. 4/4 but tapped out.
    Wrath - Level 7. Attack 4/4 double strike (3). 2nd Student

    Me - Pass the turn
    Wrath - 2nd Student to Level 2. But 4/4 double strike + 3/3 first strike aren't enough. I can block the 3/3 and -4/-4 the 4/4 to survive. Otherwise I EOT kill the 4/4, untap and kill the 3/3.

    OTD I die before I get to activate Guul. WL 3-3.
    Oh wait, you don't cast the Inquisition at all and just open with Guul.
    Right. That changes things.
    Never actually considered that, because my brain told me Guul cost 2 mana.
    My brain needs more coffee. Or just more brain.

    That means I have to redo my calculations as well.
    I'll get to it in a minute. I'm a bit busy at the moment.
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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    Quote Originally Posted by GoblinSmashmaster View Post
    4. GoblinSmashmaster: Mountain, Goblin Guide, Goblin Guide, Flame Slash
    That's me, the Goblin Slash master... wishing I had just played Dragons

    5. Wrath of Pie: Plains, Plains, Student of Warfare, Student of Warfare
    Those look too big 0-6
    You're fast enough to squeeze out 1 draw. DL 1-4.

    G - Guide (18)
    W - Student

    G - Guide (14)
    W - Level 2 3/3. Hold on defense.

    G - Flame Slash the Student. (10)
    W - Student #2. Level 1

    G - Attack (6)
    W - Level 3 3/3

    G - Pass
    W - Level 5

    G - Pass
    W - Level 7 4/4 double strike. But Student cannot afford to attack (3 attacks to kill, but Wrath dies to 2 counter attacks).
    Draw

    OTD
    W - Student
    G - Guide (W=18)

    W - Level 2 3/3. (G=17)
    G - Flame Slash it. (W=16)

    W - Student #2. Level 1
    G - Guide. (W=12)

    W - Level 3 3/3 (G=14)
    G - Attack (W=8)

    W - Level 5. Hold on defense.
    G - Pass

    W - Level 7 4/4 double strike. Student can kill in 2 attacks and Gobbo needs 2 counterattacks to race, so Wrath wins.
    Loss

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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    Quote Originally Posted by Tylert View Post
    5. Wrath of Pie: Plains, Plains, Student of Warfare, Student of Warfare

    5. Wrath of Pie: OTD:
    T1 = Plains, student. Swmap Inqui.
    T2 = plains LEvel 2 (17). assassin
    T3 = Level 3 (14). Level 1
    T4 = Level 5 (11). Level 2.
    T5 = Level 7 (3). I don't do anything.
    T6 = If you attack , i give you -3/-4 by sacrificing quicksand and -2/-2 from the assassin. I can't do it and level at the same time so it's a draw.
    4-1 --> 19
    Interesting route. I hadn't considered just sitting on the level 2 Guul with Quicksand open.
    I don't see a way for Wrath to win through this.

    I'll redo my score again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Asthereal View Post
    Oh wait, you don't cast the Inquisition at all and just open with Guul.
    Right. That changes things.
    Never actually considered that, because my brain told me Guul cost 2 mana.
    My brain needs more coffee. Or just more brain.

    That means I have to redo my calculations as well.
    I'll get to it in a minute. I'm a bit busy at the moment.
    Just check my math.
    You 4-1 this match up :)

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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    Quote Originally Posted by Tylert View Post
    Just check my math.
    You 4-1 this match up :)
    Yeah, I just saw it.

    I completely overlooked the option to sit on the level 2 Guul combined with Quicksand.
    Just like I completely overlooked about forty other things this round.

    Oh and we're lucky Gobbo switched to Gobbos, because his original double Kargan deck was pretty dangerous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by H View Post
    Well, doesn't look like much analysis is needed, I can't see a single game I win, so zero for me.

    I didn't really think too much about how bad the bottleneck would be with only one Plains and I thought, because I didn't really feel like doing the math, that 2 Plains and 2 Students would lose to IoK. Oh well.
    I think you actually win against the Mountain, 3x Goblin Guide deck.

    U: Mou, Gui, att, H=18
    H: Pla, Stu
    U: Gui2, att, H=14
    H: Stu +1l
    U: Gui3, att, H=8
    H: Stu +1l, Stu=l2 so 3/3 fs
    U: att, block & kill one, H=4

    From here, Unlif3 can't attack you down to 0, so you can cast and level up the other Students and start to think about attacking for the win.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Asthereal View Post
    From here, Unlif3 can't attack you down to 0, so you can cast and level up the other Students and start to think about attacking for the win.
    Ah, ok, thanks, I considered the 2 Guide/Flame Slash, list, then really didn't go back. But yeah, in retrospect, the Flame Slash is far worse for me than the third Guide would be.

    So I guess I am at 6.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wrath of Pie View Post
    I found a line were i can draw on the draw:
    T1 = Plains, student. Swmap Inqui.
    T2 = plains LEvel 2 (17). assassin
    T3 = Level 4 (14). Level 1
    T4 = Level 6 (11). Level 2.
    T5 = Level 8 (3). I don't do anything.
    T6 = If you attack , i give you -3/-4 by sacrificing quicksand and -2/-2 from the assassin. I can't do it and level at the same time so it's a draw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Asthereal View Post
    Yeah, I just saw it.

    I completely overlooked the option to sit on the level 2 Guul combined with Quicksand.
    Just like I completely overlooked about forty other things this round.

    Oh and we're lucky Gobbo switched to Gobbos, because his original double Kargan deck was pretty dangerous.
    I think i made some calculations and it was eiter WL or WD for us. But maybe it wins vs everything else.

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    1. Asthereal (TO): Swamp, Quicksand, Inquisition of Kozilek, Guul Draz Assassin
    I overlooked this. 0-6.

    2. Tylert: Swamp, Quicksand, Inquisition of Kozilek, Guul Draz Assassin
    I also overlooked this. 0-6.

    3. Unlif3: Mountain, Goblin Guide, Goblin Guide, Goblin Guide
    Me, going for a dubious round.

    4. GoblinSmashmaster: Mountain, Goblin Guide, Goblin Guide, Flame Slash
    The obvious mirror obviously leads to an obvious 2-2.

    5. Wrath of Pie: Plains, Plains, Student of Warfare, Student of Warfare
    I planned to lose to this but was hoping not too many people would play that. 0-6.

    6. H: Plains, Student of Warfare, Student of Warfare, Student of Warfare
    Hah, this is the wrong version this time. 6-0.

    7. FTW: Swamp, Swamp, Inquisition of Kozilek, Guul Draz Assassin
    This looks a lot like a version of Asthereal/Tylert's deck that overlooked Quicksand. I nab the draw OTP, lose OTD. 1-4.

    9 points.

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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    Quote Originally Posted by Unlif3 View Post
    3. Unlif3: Mountain, Goblin Guide, Goblin Guide, Goblin Guide
    Me, going for a dubious round.

    6. H: Plains, Student of Warfare, Student of Warfare, Student of Warfare
    Hah, this is the wrong version this time. 6-0.
    I fear you lose this version of Student Stompy as well. See my post above for the calculations.
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