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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    Quote Originally Posted by alphastryk View Post
    For round 1, can I create that land token at instant speed?
    For round 1, are we banning Flash?

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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    Quote Originally Posted by FTW View Post
    For round 1, are we banning Flash?
    Probably should, not to mention Balance as well.
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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    Quote Originally Posted by FTW View Post
    For round 1, are we banning Flash?
    But it loses to Draining Whelk!

    The format being a turn 0 format is a bit of a problem though. Wheel and Deal is especially important at enforcing this.

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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    We'll be using a banned list. A slightly expanded version of what we have from season 1.
    Also, for round one, that should be sorcery speed. I forgot to mention that. I'll edit the post.

    I have to do a few things at work, and then I'll be posting decks for the final round of season 5, so stay tuned.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wrath of Pie View Post
    The format being a turn 0 format is a bit of a problem though. Wheel and Deal is especially important at enforcing this.
    I'll try to find these cards and ban them for that round.
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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    All decks are in, including a submission from reigning champ GoblinSmashmaster. Welcome back!

    DECKS FOR THE SEASON FINALE, ROUND 12 OF SEASON 5: MODERN MADNESS

    1. Asthereal (TO): Cloudpost, Cloudpost, Cloudpost, Ugin, the Spirit Dragon
    2. FTW: Celestial Colonnade, Calciform Pools, Jace, Wielder of Mysteries, Path to Exile
    3. GoblinSmashmaster: Cavern of Souls, Simian Spirit Guide, Warren Instigator, Morophon, the Boundless
    4. Wrath of Pie: Pendelhaven, Simic Growth Chamber, Oko, Thief of Crowns, Mayor of Avabruck
    5. H: Darkslick Shores, Sea's Claim, Despise, Wind Zendikon
    6. Tylert: Keldon Megaliths, Rakdos carnarium, Ensnaring Bridge, Phyrexian Revoker
    7. Moosedog: Concealed courtyard, Path to exile, Duress, Student of warfare

    Please post your scores and cross-check with the opponents.
    I'll update the Google Spreadsheet for the season, so you can enter your scores there as well: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

    I'll tool around with the rounds for next season a bit in the coming days.
    Your feedback has helped tremendously in finding slight flaws in the plans.
    Thanks a lot, and stay tuned for more news!
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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    Asthereal's scores for round yolo.

    1. Asthereal (TO): Cloudpost, Cloudpost, Cloudpost, Ugin, the Spirit Dragon
    That's me. Cloudpost was still legal, so why not just play a fun fattie.
    2. FTW: Celestial Colonnade, Calciform Pools, Jace, Wielder of Mysteries, Path to Exile
    Jace is a faster wincon. A bannable one, even. 0-6
    3. GoblinSmashmaster: Cavern of Souls, Simian Spirit Guide, Warren Instigator, Morophon, the Boundless
    Morophon is actually colorless. That's inconvenient. 0-6
    4. Wrath of Pie: Pendelhaven, Simic Growth Chamber, Oko, Thief of Crowns, Mayor of Avabruck
    All your relevant stuff is colored and so dies to the mightly Ugin! 6-0
    5. H: Darkslick Shores, Sea's Claim, Despise, Wind Zendikon
    I despise Despise. 0-6
    6. Tylert: Keldon Megaliths, Rakdos carnarium, Ensnaring Bridge, Phyrexian Revoker
    Revoker revokes Ugin. 0-6
    7. Moosedog: Concealed courtyard, Path to exile, Duress, Student of warfare
    Duress also does a thing. 0-6

    Yolo round is dismal round. 6 points.
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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    H: Darkslick Shores, Sea's Claim, Despise, Wind Zendikon

    1. Asthereal (TO): Cloudpost, Cloudpost, Cloudpost, Ugin, the Spirit Dragon
    Yeah, between Claim and Despise, no way to cast Ugin. 6-0

    2. FTW: Celestial Colonnade, Calciform Pools, Jace, Wielder of Mysteries, Path to Exile
    I have numerous ways to stop Jace from winning. I have zero ways to stop Path from preventing me winning. 2-2

    3. GoblinSmashmaster: Cavern of Souls, Simian Spirit Guide, Warren Instigator, Morophon, the Boundless
    On the Play, I can win multiple ways via Despise. On the Draw, I can only force a draw by Despise taking Morophon, then eventually making a Zendikon and blocking. 4-1

    4. Wrath of Pie: Pendelhaven, Simic Growth Chamber, Oko, Thief of Crowns, Mayor of Avabruck
    I think on both the Play and Draw, I can Despise Mayor and Claim the Chamber to prevent Oko. 6-0

    5. H: Bye, myself.

    6. Tylert: Keldon Megaliths, Rakdos carnarium, Ensnaring Bridge, Phyrexian Revoker
    Despise can deal with Revoker and Claim makes it so that Megaliths don't work and Bridge can't be cast. 6-0

    7. Moosedog: Concealed courtyard, Path to exile, Duress, Student of warfare
    On the Play, I Despise the Student, then get Zendikon Duressed, so a draw. On the Draw, I actually don't think either of us can win, since if Moosedog plays Student first, Claim the Courtyard, then Zendikon can block eventually. If the lead play is Duress, taking Claim or Zendikon means I can Despise the Student. Taking Despise means I can Claim the Courtyard, so I think the best that can be done is draws. 2-2

    26? Really?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Asthereal View Post
    I'll try to find these cards and ban them for that round.
    Have fun with that, you are bound to miss something.

    4. Wrath of Pie: Pendelhaven, Simic Growth Chamber, Oko, Thief of Crowns, Mayor of Avabruck

    1. Asthereal (TO): Cloudpost, Cloudpost, Cloudpost, Ugin, the Spirit Dragon LL
    2. FTW: Celestial Colonnade, Calciform Pools, Jace, Wielder of Mysteries, Path to Exile LL
    3. GoblinSmashmaster: Cavern of Souls, Simian Spirit Guide, Warren Instigator, Morophon, the Boundless WL
    5. H: Darkslick Shores, Sea's Claim, Despise, Wind Zendikon LL
    6. Tylert: Keldon Megaliths, Rakdos carnarium, Ensnaring Bridge, Phyrexian Revoker LL
    7. Moosedog: Concealed courtyard, Path to exile, Duress, Student of warfare LL

    1w = 3 points
    Last edited by Wrath of Pie; 04-01-2020 at 10:56 PM.

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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    1. Asthereal (TO): Cloudpost, Cloudpost, Cloudpost, Ugin, the Spirit Dragon
    2. FTW: Celestial Colonnade, Calciform Pools, Jace, Wielder of Mysteries, Path to Exile
    3. GoblinSmashmaster: Cavern of Souls, Simian Spirit Guide, Warren Instigator, Morophon, the Boundless
    4. Wrath of Pie: Pendelhaven, Simic Growth Chamber, Oko, Thief of Crowns, Mayor of Avabruck
    5. H: Darkslick Shores, Sea's Claim, Despise, Wind Zendikon
    6. Tylert: Keldon Megaliths, Rakdos carnarium, Ensnaring Bridge, Phyrexian Revoker
    7. Moosedog: Concealed courtyard, Path to exile, Duress, Student of warfare

    1. Asthereal: Revoker revokes Ugin and wins. 6-0 --> 6
    2. FTW: I'm too slow otp and otd. 0-6 --> 6
    3. Goblinsmashmaster: OTD i have the time to drop bridge and win. OTP i'm one turn too slow. 3-3 --> 9
    4. Wrath Of Pie: Revoker revokes Oko first, then i drop bridge and win. 6-0 --> 15.
    5. H: you can despise revoker and claim carnarium so i can't do anything. 0-6 --> 15.
    6. Moosedog: OTP, I can kill student before it gets to level 2 and wins via megaliths. OTD, you have time to level it to level 2 so it doesn't die to megaliths and you can duress ensnaring bridge before i play it, so I loose. 3-3 --> 18.

    Total 18.

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    2. FTW: Celestial Colonnade, Calciform Pools, Jace, Wielder of Mysteries, Path to Exile

    So I realized we still had a Lab Man legal and Evil Presence finally got banned...

    1. Asthereal (TO): You get Ugin out first, but it can't disrupt or race me before Jace comes down. WW 6-0
    3. GoblinSmashmaster: OTP I can Path your goblin before it can smash. OTD Instigator cheats out Morophon before my Colonnade untaps, so I Path Morophon. Then I play Jace long before Instigator can race me. WW 6-0
    4. Wrath of Pie: You can play Oko first but you can't disrupt or race me before Jace comes down. WW 6-0
    5. H: I was so excited about Evil Presence's ban that I forgot about Sea's Claim! Despise kills Jace, Claim stops Colonnade, but I can Path your Zendikon to draw. DD 2-2
    6. Tylert: You play Revoker naming Jace, but I just Path it. Then Jace races 1 damage per turn. WW 6-0
    7. Moosedog: Duress kills Jace, I Path your Student, and you can hold up Path forever to stop me from activating Colonnade. DD 2-2

    28 points (8 wins, 4 draws)

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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    Not sure if you can win this on the draw. It's a 4-turn clock, which is why I had to Path to win. Jace was too slow.

    Gobbo vs Wrath
    G: Winstigator.
    W: Pendelhaven

    G: Attack. Morophon on 1st trigger= 1+2 damage. [W=17]
    W: Growth Chamber

    G: Attack for 6+2+2. [W=7]
    W: Pendelhaven. Oko. If you do anything other than +1 to Elk Morophon, you lose hard. [Oko=5]

    From here he can still attack for 5 (3+1+1). So he can either kill Oko immediately and try to race Mayor, or just deal 5 to you and put you at 2.

    If he puts you at 2, what do you do? Playing Mayor and blocking is too slow (either attacker kills you). Making Food and gaining 3 life is too slow (you take 5 and lose). Elking Winstigator is counterproductive. Suiciding Oko to trade Mayor for something is counterproductive.

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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    1. Asthereal (TO): Cloudpost, Cloudpost, Cloudpost, Ugin, the Spirit Dragon
    I almost submitted this deck with the urzas lands, ha. WW
    2. FTW: Celestial Colonnade, Calciform Pools, Jace, Wielder of Mysteries, Path to Exile
    Duress the jace, you path my guy. I can path colonnade. DD.
    3. GoblinSmashmaster: Cavern of Souls, Simian Spirit Guide, Warren Instigator, Morophon, the Boundless
    Path the instigator. WW
    4. Wrath of Pie: Pendelhaven, Simic Growth Chamber, Oko, Thief of Crowns, Mayor of Avabruck
    Duress the oko, path the mayor. WW
    5. H: Darkslick Shores, Sea's Claim, Despise, Wind Zendikon
    Agree with your breakdown, DD
    6. Tylert: Keldon Megaliths, Rakdos carnarium, Ensnaring Bridge, Phyrexian Revoker
    Agree with your breakdown. WL
    7. Moosedog: Concealed courtyard, Path to exile, Duress, Student of warfare

    Next season looks fun. I'm up for whatever.

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    GoblinSmashmaster Results for Round GoblinSmash

    1. Asthereal (TO): Cloudpost, Cloudpost, Cloudpost, Ugin, the Spirit Dragon
    Goblins Smash! 6-0

    2. FTW: Celestial Colonnade, Calciform Pools, Jace, Wielder of Mysteries, Path to Exile
    You found the Path 0-6

    3. GoblinSmashmaster: Cavern of Souls, Simian Spirit Guide, Warren Instigator, Morophon, the Boundless
    That's me!

    4. Wrath of Pie: Pendelhaven, Simic Growth Chamber, Oko, Thief of Crowns, Mayor of Avabruck
    Goblins Smash once 3-3

    5. H: Darkslick Shores, Sea's Claim, Despise, Wind Zendikon
    I Despise that 1-4

    6. Tylert: Keldon Megaliths, Rakdos carnarium, Ensnaring Bridge, Phyrexian Revoker
    Revoker revokes Ugin. 0-6
    Can't cross the Bridge 3-3

    7. Moosedog: Concealed courtyard, Path to exile, Duress, Student of warfare
    You found the Path 0-6

    Total points: 13
    Total Smashes: 4?

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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    Preliminary scores for the final round:
    1. FTW: 28 - 4,7
    2. H: 26 - 4,3
    3. Moosedog: 25 - 4,2
    4. Tylert: 18 - 3
    5. GoblinSmashmaster: 13 - 2,2
    6. Asthereal (TO): 6 - 1
    7. Wrath of Pie: 3 - 0,5

    Which leads to these final standings in the season:
    1. Asthereal (TO): 41,8
    2. FTW: 37,2
    3. Tylert: 33,3
    4. H: 32,6
    5. Wrath of Pie: 24,7
    6. Moosedog: 15,8
    7. GoblinSmashmaster: 2,2

    Yay me for winning this one!

    If anything is wrong, let me know, and I'll edit things. And of course stay tuned for season 6!
    I'm still tuning a few things, and expect to post the final schedule this weekend.
    You might have little time for round one, so perhaps it's a good idea to start thinking about a few deck ideas already.

    Also, stay safe and healthy in these strange times!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Asthereal View Post
    And of course stay tuned for season 6!
    I'm still tuning a few things, and expect to post the final schedule this weekend.
    You might have little time for round one, so perhaps it's a good idea to start thinking about a few deck ideas already.

    Also, stay safe and healthy in these strange times!
    So what is the exact ban-list?
    Is Force of will banned or not? :)
    WIll the land generate two mana of the same color or of any color as proposed by... wrath?
    Also, just to confirm, the discard ability is instant speed right?
    Very interresting first round.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tylert View Post
    So what is the exact ban-list?
    Is Force of will banned or not? :)
    WIll the land generate two mana of the same color or of any color as proposed by... wrath?
    Also, just to confirm, the discard ability is instant speed right?
    Very interresting first round.
    This and more in the next episode of Asthereal tries not to screw up 4CB!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Asthereal View Post
    This and more in the next episode of Asthereal tries not to screw up 4CB!
    You won't screw up. We just need the exact parameters in order to build the best deck :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wrath of Pie View Post
    If you need more Modern 4CB in your life, apparently Reddit is to the rescue.
    Apparently Crack the Earth broke the format (aided by Mental Misstep), which makes me wonder how we all missed playing it for 12 rounds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wrath of Pie View Post
    Apparently Crack the Earth broke the format (aided by Mental Misstep), which makes me wonder how we all missed playing it for 12 rounds.
    Crack the Earth plus what though? I'm too old to make heads or tails of Reddit...
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    Quote Originally Posted by H View Post
    Crack the Earth plus what though? I'm too old to make heads or tails of Reddit...
    Crashing Footfalls was the win condition.

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