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    Quote Originally Posted by maxx! View Post
    thanks. if only i got point for creativity instead of wins
    If we awarded points for creativity instead of score, I would be dead last.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Asthereal View Post
    If we awarded points for creativity instead of score, I would be dead last.
    In my write ups, I'm going to start including my vote for most creative deck other than my own. Sprout Swarm was my vote last week.

    This week is a bit odd to me because I wasn't seriously considering any of the cards that got banned, except vaguely Evil Presence and Vendetta. I'm also sad to see Vampire Lacerator go because a few of the things I wanted to do were accidentally very good against them.

    Congrats to Wrath of Pie for getting Disowned Ancestor on the ban list. It looked like that was almost a pet project. :)

    Quote Originally Posted by Wrath of Pie View Post
    Evil Presence is no longer a worry.

    One down, three to go.
    Wait, three? I can think of two different ways to count this, but none of them end at three. This isn't a question, by the way. By all means, hold on to your tech.
    Last edited by silkster; 08-03-2020 at 06:49 AM.

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    Crack the Earth technically counts too, so really four to go.

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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    Quote Originally Posted by Wrath of Pie View Post
    Crack the Earth technically counts too, so really four to go.
    With all the suspend threats going away Crack the Earth really drops in power level though. I suspect it won't be going away.

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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    This is pretty interesting, I volunteer as tribute to give everyone more points.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alphastryk View Post
    With all the suspend threats going away Crack the Earth really drops in power level though. I suspect it won't be going away.
    The best way to play around it is to be monocolored and feature 1-drops that don't need more mana, so once people start trying 2-drops and/or multicolor strategies it goes back up in value.

    Quote Originally Posted by silkster View Post
    Congrats to Wrath of Pie for getting Disowned Ancestor on the ban list. It looked like that was almost a pet project. :)
    I figured after the 15-draw epic and many of those matchups resulting in banned cards opposing me meant that it could only get better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wrath of Pie View Post
    The best way to play around it is to be monocolored and feature 1-drops that don't need more mana, so once people start trying 2-drops and/or multicolor strategies it goes back up in value.
    Interesting, that's probably true. Will have to keep that in mind if we ever get to that point.

    Quote Originally Posted by Reeplcheep View Post
    This is pretty interesting, I volunteer as tribute to give everyone more points.
    Welcome! I think its a fun puzzle every week even if every entry doesn't work out

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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    The deadline has passed, but I'm missing one of the regulars. I'll give you a few more hours.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Asthereal View Post
    The deadline has passed, but I'm missing one of the regulars. I'll give you a few more hours.
    Did you get my entry?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tylert View Post
    Did you get my entry?
    Yup, your entry arrived in tact and on time.
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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    Moosedog just informed me he won't make it for this round, so we're good to go.
    And welcome Reeplcheep to our little competition of chaos!

    DECKS FOR ROUND 6 OF SEASON 7: Pauper Bannathon

    1. Asthereal (TO): Plains, Plains, Caravan Escort, Kami of Ancient Law
    2. GoblinSmashmaster: Mountain, Rite of Flame, Rite of Flame, Ferocious Tigorilla
    3. Reeplcheep: Swamp, Myr Servitor, Myr Servitor, Carrion Feeder
    4. Wrath of Pie: Mountain, Raze, Forked Bolt, Ghitu Lavarunner
    5. alphastryk: Forest, Gladecover Scout, Ornithopter, Primal Cocoon
    6. H: Island, Island, Force Spike, Drifter il-Dal
    7. maxx!: Mountain, Forest, Raze, Scythe Tiger
    8. FTW: Forest, Forest, Scythe Tiger, Scythe Tiger
    9. Tylert: Radiant Fountain, Myr Servitor, Myr Servitor, Myr Servitor
    10. silkster: Seat of the Synod, Sea's Claim, Gearsmith Prodigy, Mana Chains

    Please post your scores and cross-check with the opponents.
    I'll update the Google Spreadsheet for the season, so you can enter your scores there as well: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing
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    TigerSmashmaster Results for Round "Myr Servitor is a card"

    1. Asthereal (TO): Plains, Plains, Caravan Escort, Kami of Ancient Law
    Menace. Tiger trades 2-2

    2. GoblinSmashmaster: Mountain, Rite of Flame, Rite of Flame, Ferocious Tigorilla
    That's me!

    3. Reeplcheep: Swamp, Myr Servitor, Myr Servitor, Carrion Feeder
    Menace. Tiger smashes! 3-3

    4. Wrath of Pie: Mountain, Raze, Forked Bolt, Ghitu Lavarunner
    Menace. Tiger smashes! 6-0

    5. alphastryk: Forest, Gladecover Scout, Ornithopter, Primal Cocoon
    Ornithopter smashes :( 0-6

    6. H: Island, Island, Force Spike, Drifter il-Dal
    Force Spike 3-3

    7. maxx!: Mountain, Forest, Raze, Scythe Tiger
    Menace. Tiger smashes! 6-0

    8. FTW: Forest, Forest, Scythe Tiger, Scythe Tiger
    You have more Tigers :( 0-6

    9. Tylert: Radiant Fountain, Myr Servitor, Myr Servitor, Myr Servitor
    Trample. Tiger trades 2-2

    10. silkster: Seat of the Synod, Sea's Claim, Gearsmith Prodigy, Mana Chains
    Brought the wrong Tiger for this one 0-6

    Total: 22 points
    Last edited by GoblinSmashmaster; 08-05-2020 at 11:20 AM.

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    H: Island, Island, Force Spike, Drifter il-Dal

    1. Asthereal (TO): Plains, Plains, Caravan Escort, Kami of Ancient Law
    I can counter the Kami, but I will lose the race to Escort. 0-6

    2. GoblinSmashmaster: Mountain, Rite of Flame, Rite of Flame, Ferocious Tigorilla
    I win on the Play, loose on the Draw. 3-3

    3. Reeplcheep: Swamp, Myr Servitor, Myr Servitor, Carrion Feeder
    On the Play, I beleive I attack for 2 first, so I can win the race, countering Feeder. On the Draw, I lose. 3-3

    4. Wrath of Pie: Mountain, Raze, Forked Bolt, Ghitu Lavarunner
    I don't think I can win on the Play, so I play for the draw. On the Draw, I just lose. 1-4

    5. alphastryk: Forest, Gladecover Scout, Ornithopter, Primal Cocoon
    I can counter the Cocoon and then race the Scout (only on the Play). 3-3

    6. H: Bye, myself.

    7. maxx!: Mountain, Forest, Raze, Scythe Tiger
    Raze is actually pretty good here, it means I can only draw at best. Except that doesn't work, I just lose this one. 0-6

    8. FTW: Forest, Forest, Scythe Tiger, Scythe Tiger
    I will lose to the other Tiger. 0-6

    9. Tylert: Radiant Fountain, Myr Servitor, Myr Servitor, Myr Servitor
    I don't think I can race or beat this. 0-6

    10. silkster: Seat of the Synod, Sea's Claim, Gearsmith Prodigy, Mana Chains
    I think I have to just play for the draw on the Play and I lose on the Draw. 1-4

    11. Low-effort list got low-effort points.
    Last edited by H; 08-05-2020 at 04:14 PM.
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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    Asthereal's scores for round 6:

    1. Asthereal (TO): Plains, Plains, Caravan Escort, Kami of Ancient Law
    That's me, metaing heavily on the two best decks that survived the bannings from last round. Let's see how this goes.
    2. GoblinSmashmaster: Mountain, Rite of Flame, Rite of Flame, Ferocious Tigorilla
    I can make two 2/2 guys and block for the draw. OTP I'm a turn too slow to make Escort 5/5 and have the Kami as well. 2-2
    3. Reeplcheep: Swamp, Myr Servitor, Myr Servitor, Carrion Feeder
    Carrion Feeder grows quite fast. Haven't done the math yet, but I think you will win this. Will revisit later to check. For now I'll chalk up 0-6
    4. Wrath of Pie: Mountain, Raze, Forked Bolt, Ghitu Lavarunner
    OTP I can make both guys. You kill one of them and we're left with two 2/2s staredown. OTD I just scoop to Raze before I get anything going. 1-4
    5. alphastryk: Forest, Gladecover Scout, Ornithopter, Primal Cocoon
    Kami kills the Cocoon, Escort wins it. 6-0
    6. H: Island, Island, Force Spike, Drifter il-Dal
    Escort can be played through Spike and should win this race. 6-0
    7. maxx!: Mountain, Forest, Raze, Scythe Tiger
    More Raze, but this one's even worse. I go Plains>Escort. You go Mountain>Raze. I'm left with a 1/1 against your 3/2. 0-6
    8. FTW: Forest, Forest, Scythe Tiger, Scythe Tiger
    Must math this to see if I can win it. See below. Turns out I can't and have to defend for two draws. 2-2
    9. Tylert: Radiant Fountain, Myr Servitor, Myr Servitor, Myr Servitor
    I have bigger guys, and if you attack I can win on the backswings, so you just keep everyone on defence and keep chumping. 2-2
    10. silkster: Seat of the Synod, Sea's Claim, Gearsmith Prodigy, Mana Chains
    Chains kills my big guys, Claim doesn't do much against two Plains, Prodigy trades with Kami. 2-2

    Score: 21 points. My flyer from last round might have done better...


    Against FTW
    A: Escort
    F: Tiger
    A: Kami
    F: Tiger, attack, block & trade with Kami
    A: Escort L1
    F: Attack (17)
    A: L2
    F: 14
    A: L3
    F: 11
    A: L4
    F: 8
    A: L5 5/5 first strike
    From here, if I attack, you can race me, so I still have to stay back and defend...
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    4. Wrath of Pie: Mountain, Raze, Forked Bolt, Ghitu Lavarunner

    1. Asthereal (TO): Plains, Plains, Caravan Escort, Kami of Ancient Law WD
    2. GoblinSmashmaster: Mountain, Rite of Flame, Rite of Flame, Ferocious Tigorilla LL
    3. Reeplcheep: Swamp, Myr Servitor, Myr Servitor, Carrion Feeder WD
    5. alphastryk: Forest, Gladecover Scout, Ornithopter, Primal Cocoon DL
    6. H: Island, Island, Force Spike, Drifter il-Dal WD
    7. maxx!: Mountain, Forest, Raze, Scythe Tiger LL
    8. FTW: Forest, Forest, Scythe Tiger, Scythe Tiger LL
    9. Tylert: Radiant Fountain, Myr Servitor, Myr Servitor, Myr Servitor DD
    10. silkster: Seat of the Synod, Sea's Claim, Gearsmith Prodigy, Mana Chains DD

    2w8d = 14 points

    maxx! had the better Raze hand. Probably should have just played Lightning Bolt instead of Forked Bolt.

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    8. FTW: Forest, Forest, Scythe Tiger, Scythe Tiger

    1. Asthereal (TO): I metad against your anti-enchantment metaing, but our X/2s still trade. DD 2-2
    2. GoblinSmashmaster: I kill T5 and you kill T6, so you can't race, and you can only trade with one. WW 6-0
    3. Reeplcheep: I think you can get there by chumping with 1 and sacrificing it to Feeder, slowing down my clock enough that Feeder races. LL 0-6
    4. Wrath of Pie: Raze and Forked Bolt are dead, and Lavarunner can only trade with 1 Tiger. WW 6-0
    5. alphastryk: See math below. DD 2-2
    6. H: OTP I play one before Force Spike and it races you. OTD you can Force Spike the first but not the 2nd. WW 6-0
    7. maxx!: I win the pseudo-mirror because Raze is dead, and I have more Scythe Tigers. WW 6-0
    9. Tylert: I can't profitably attack into double Servitor block, but if you try to swarm through my guys I can race back. We stare. DD 2-2
    10. silkster: Mana Chains and Sea's Claim are dead, and Lavarunner can only trade with 1 Tiger. WW 6-0


    36 points (10 wins, 6 draws, 2 losses)

    Turns out playing around LD and removal was good.


    FTW vs alphastryk OTP
    Me - Tiger#1
    You - Ornithopter + Cocoon

    Me - Tiger #2. Attack with 1 [A=17]
    You - 1/3. Scout.

    Me - Attack with both. [A=11]
    You - 2/4. Attack with Scout [F=19]

    Me - Attack with both. If you don't kill one, you go to 5 and grow to 3/5. But there's no way you can race from there. You're better off blocking and killing one. [A=8]
    You - Attack with Scout [F=18]. Your 2/4 flying isn't enough to race my Tiger, so you stay back to block.

    Me - Tiger stays back to block.
    Draw

    I don't see things getting much better when you go first. I can force you to block early enough that you can't race me so your big creature has to stay back to block.

    FTW vs alphastryk OTD
    You - Ornithopter + Cocoon
    Me - Tiger#1

    You - 1/3. Scout.
    Me - Tiger #2. Attack with 1 [A=17]

    You - 2/4.
    Me - Attack with both. [A=11] (If you block, you go to 14 but your 3-power can't race my 3-power at 14 vs 20 -> Draw)

    You - 3/5. Attack with Scout. [F=19]
    Me - Attack with both. You kill one. [A=8] (If you don't and grow to 4/6, you go to 5 and your 4/6 is too slow to race -> Draw)

    You - Attack with both [F=15]
    Me - Attack with Tiger [A=5]

    You - Attack with both [F=11]
    Me - Attack with Tiger [A=2]

    You - Attack with Ornithopter [F=8]
    Me - Attack with Tiger, get chumped by Scout

    You - Still can't race. Stay back to block. Draw.
    DD 2-2

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    3. Reeplcheep: Swamp, Myr Servitor, Myr Servitor, Carrion Feeder
    8. FTW: Forest, Forest, Scythe Tiger, Scythe Tiger

    Ok, now I want to check because although you have inevitability I'm very fast.

    FTW vs Reeplcheep OTP
    Me - Tiger #1
    You - Servitor

    Me - Tiger #2, attack with 1 [R=17]
    You - Servitor#2

    Me - Attack with both. You can chump one. [R=14] (If I don't pressure with both, I can't get damage through and you just outgrow me)
    You - Feeder. Servitor returns. Other one attacks. [F=19]

    Me - Attack with both. You chump one and sac to Feeder=2/2. [R=11]
    You - Servitor returns. Attack with other + 2/2 [F=16]

    Me - Attack with both. You chump one and sac to Feeder=3/3. [R=8]
    You - Servitor returns. Attack with other + 3/3 [F=12]

    Me - Attack with both. You chump one and sac to Feeder=4/4. [R=5]
    You - Servitor returns. Attack with other + 4/4 [F=7]

    Me - Attack with both. You chump one and sac to Feeder=5/5. [R=2] (Ok this race is closer than I thought)
    You - Servitor returns. Keep both to block. Attack with 5/5 Feeder [F=2] (You couldn't attack for lethal here)

    Me - If I attack with both, you can double chump, then kill me with Feeder.
    If I attack with only one, you chump, then Feeder forces the other to block and eventually kills me.
    If I don't attack, you can keep growing Feeder to 7/7 until I can't trade.

    So I think even OTP you can just barely slow me down enough to race.
    LL 0-6 for me

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    Me: silkster: Seat of the Synod, Sea's Claim, Gearsmith Prodigy, Mana Chains

    1. Asthereal (TO): Plains, Plains, Caravan Escort, Kami of Ancient Law
    I actually lose this because you can hold the Escort until the Kami comes down to protect it from Chains. 0 points

    2. GoblinSmashmaster: Mountain, Rite of Flame, Rite of Flame, Ferocious Tigorilla
    I don't understand why no one is playing removal, but this looks like a good call. Actually, now that I look at the other lists, removal is pretty embarrassing. 6 points

    3. Reeplcheep: Swamp, Myr Servitor, Myr Servitor, Carrion Feeder
    On my play I can hold a draw. On your play, you're half a turn faster and can press the advantage by attacking with both. 1 point

    4. Wrath of Pie: Mountain, Raze, Forked Bolt, Ghitu Lavarunner
    We both have removal, so no one can win. 2 points

    5. alphastryk: Forest, Gladecover Scout, Ornithopter, Primal Cocoon
    Sea's Claim stops Cocoon on the Scout, and I can remove the Ornithopter. 6 points

    6. H: Island, Island, Force Spike, Drifter il-Dal
    I'm one turn faster on my play, and all road roads lead to a draw on your play. 4 points

    7. maxx!: Mountain, Forest, Raze, Scythe Tiger
    Raze is super awkward here. 0 points

    8. FTW: Forest, Forest, Scythe Tiger, Scythe Tiger
    Ugh. My own deck. And it did really well. And FTW is in front of me. Gross. 0 points

    9. Tylert: Radiant Fountain, Myr Servitor, Myr Servitor, Myr Servitor
    I've looked at this deck so many times and it always looked terrible so it never even made it into my gauntlet. Well, it looks pretty good now. 0 points

    19 points. Somehow, I always guess wrong. At least my fingerprint is all over this round.

    It's interesting that Raze has never been played over Crack the Earth, but suddenly made its mark. I wonder if people didn't know that Raze existed before.

    Quote Originally Posted by GoblinSmashmaster View Post
    2. GoblinSmashmaster: Mountain, Rite of Flame, Rite of Flame, Ferocious Tigorilla
    That's me!

    3. Reeplcheep: Swamp, Myr Servitor, Myr Servitor, Carrion Feeder
    Menace. Tiger smashes! 6-0
    I think the Carrion Feeder is too fast on the play. You kill in six turns, so what can CF do by then?
    T1: CF
    T2: Servitor sack, CF hits for 2.
    T3: Servitor, no sack, CF hits for 2.
    T4; Servitor returns, one sack, CF and Servitor get in together for 4.
    T5: Servitor returns, one sack, CF and Servitor get in together for 5.
    T6: The team can get in for 6, which is 1 damage short, but now both Servitors can hang back to double block. CF hits for 4 leaving any counter attack lethal, and CF grows if you don't attack.

    If the Tiger goes first, then team CF hits for 0, 2, 2, 4, 4 (then double block), 6, then team CF loses. Looks 3-3 to me.

    Quote Originally Posted by H View Post
    H: Island, Island, Force Spike, Drifter il-Dal

    5. alphastryk: Forest, Gladecover Scout, Ornithopter, Primal Cocoon
    I can counter the Cocoon and then race the Scout. 6-0
    Cocoon comes down turn 1 on the play, so this looks 3-3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silkster View Post
    I think the Carrion Feeder is too fast on the play. You kill in six turns, so what can CF do by then?
    T1: CF
    T2: Servitor sack, CF hits for 2.
    T3: Servitor, no sack, CF hits for 2.
    T4; Servitor returns, one sack, CF and Servitor get in together for 4.
    T5: Servitor returns, one sack, CF and Servitor get in together for 5.
    T6: The team can get in for 6, which is 1 damage short, but now both Servitors can hang back to double block. CF hits for 4 leaving any counter attack lethal, and CF grows if you don't attack.

    If the Tiger goes first, then team CF hits for 0, 2, 2, 4, 4 (then double block), 6, then team CF loses. Looks 3-3 to me.

    On T2 that CF would attack into an untapped 4/3 Tigorilla... No damage can get through.

    GoblinSmashmaster gets the first attack. If he chooses Menace the race should go:
    20 / 16 (2/2)
    18 / 12
    14 / 8 (3/3)
    9 / 4 (4/4)
    5 / double block with Servitors (6/6)
    -1

    CF is still too fast on the play. Should be WL 3-3

    Quote Originally Posted by silkster View Post
    8. FTW: Forest, Forest, Scythe Tiger, Scythe Tiger
    Ugh. My own deck. And it did really well. And FTW is in front of me. Gross. 0 points
    I got lucky with metagaming.

    After last round I figured removal and LD would be popular, and Gobbo finally stopped playing Empty, so Scythe Tiger beatdown seemed good.

    The round you played Tiger I considered it. But with stuff like Keldon Halberdier, Skittering Heartstopper, and Empty the Warrens around, Rogue Elephant + double Skyshroud Cutter seemed like a better variation (vs 2x Tiger or 2x Elephant). 7/7 in stats beats the Goblins. 3/3 + 2/2 can 1-for-1 a Halberdiers, while 2x Tiger can't kill it. 3 bodies still dodges removal by going wide, and also dodges double deathtouch. But with those cards banned or out of favor now, the Tigers looked pretty good.

    I got lucky with meta calls both times, but it easily could have been completely different.
    Last edited by FTW; 08-05-2020 at 01:02 PM.

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    my deck: Mountain, Forest, Raze, Scythe Tiger

    1. Asthereal (TO): Plains, Plains, Caravan Escort, Kami of Ancient Law
    i can raze your first plains, so there's no way for you to play kami or level up. tiger beats 1/1. 6-0

    2. GoblinSmashmaster: Mountain, Rite of Flame, Rite of Flame, Ferocious Tigorilla
    this will be hilarious if it gets rite of flame banned before empty the warrens. i can't race or block if you pick menace. nice deck. 0-6

    3. Reeplcheep: Swamp, Myr Servitor, Myr Servitor, Carrion Feeder
    you get to play 1 creature before getting razed, and none of them beat tiger. 6-0

    4. Wrath of Pie: Mountain, Raze, Forked Bolt, Ghitu Lavarunner
    you can't raze me, and you get razed as soon as you play either of your other cards. shroud stops you from sandbagging your mountain to forked bolt my guy, and lavarunner can't ever be a 2/2. 6-0

    5. alphastryk: Forest, Gladecover Scout, Ornithopter, Primal Cocoon
    i was afraid this would come back! there's no way i can beat this. you just have to cocoon ornithopter, and i can't attack into it once it's a 2/4. after that you can sit for as long as you want to get big enough to one-shot me (or just win the race, whichever). 0-6

    6. H: Island, Island, Force Spike, Drifter il-Dal
    raze is fairly pointless, but i have 2 lands so i can play around force spike. your shadow guy can't block my tiger, and even OTD and waiting until turn 2 to play tiger i should win that race. 6-0

    7. maxx!: Mountain, Forest, Raze, Scythe Tiger
    this is me :]

    8. FTW: Forest, Forest, Scythe Tiger, Scythe Tiger
    2 tigers beats one. 0-6

    9. Tylert: Radiant Fountain, Myr Servitor, Myr Servitor, Myr Servitor
    a single myr servitor isn't enough to get your combo rolling before you get razed. 6-0

    10. silkster: Seat of the Synod, Sea's Claim, Gearsmith Prodigy, Mana Chains
    mana chains and sea's claim are both blanks, and raze unbuffs your gearsmith. 6-0

    6+0+6+6+0+6+0+6+6 = 36

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