4 Card Blind

[Asthereal]

The eighth season has come to a close. silkster went on to win that one. Congrats, and bragging rights to you!
Also, this means it's time to fire up season 9. get ready!


4 CARD BLIND - SEASON 9 - DEVIANT LEGACY - PART 2

This season, we play 15 rounds of Legacy, but with a twist: every round has a special rule which changes how Magic (and possibly 4CB) would normally work.
We used a fixed banned list for every round, which you will find in the second post of this thread.
Additionally, each round may contain its own bannings when we deem those necessary, which when relevant are mentioned in the rules for that round.

For this season, we again stick to the scoring system from previous seasons:
All players score season points for all rounds they play. Season points for each round equal total points scored for the round, divided by the number of opponents in that round.
The tournament organizer will make calculations (or have Google Spreadsheet figure that stuff out) and keep track of standings below. Note: season points are always rounded to one decimal.
You will find the Google Spreadsheet for season 9 here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

How 4 Card Blind works is descibed on more detail below.


The schedule:

1. Canadian Backbuild: A loss nets you 3 points and a win nets you zero. You still play optimally to win. Your deck must win both OTP and OTD against the Canadians (Snow-Covered Forest, Snow-Covered Mountain, Grizzly Bears, Balduvian Bears).

2. Dream Halls: Rather than pay the mana cost for a spell, its controller may discard a card that shares a color with that spell.
Additional bannings: Progenitus, Approach of the Second Sun, Barren Glory

3. Berserker: Creatures can't block, creatures attack each turn if able, combat damage cannot be prevented, prevent all non-combat damage to players. Your deck may only contain creature and land cards.

4. Basic Bloom: You can play any basic land from outside the game at any time you could play a land.
Additional bannings: White Sun's Zenith, Red Sun's Zenith, Beacon of Creation

5. The Coin: When you are on the draw, you begin the game with a Lotus Petal artifact token in play.

6. Impatience: At the beginning of each player’s end step, if that player didn’t cast a spell this turn, Impatience deals 2 damage to that player.

7. WUBRG: Each player starts the game with (W) (U) (B) (R) (G) in their mana pool. This mana doesn't empty from the pool as steps end.
Additional bannings: NONE! You have 5 mana. Make use of it!

8. Supersize: All creatures get +3/+3.

9. Race for Life: Players don't lose the game for having 0 life or less or from having 10 or more poison counters. If a player has 100 life or more, he or she wins the game. If no player can reach 100 life with optimal play from either side, the game ends in a draw.

10. Turtle Up: Until the start of the 6th turn: spells can't be countered, permanents have hexproof and indistructible, cards in graveyards have hexproof and players have hexproof. Damage does not cause loss of life, and players can't win or lose the game. Players may choose to ignore effects controlled by an opponent that would cause a permanent they control or card in their hand to change zones.

11. Bouncy castle: Each player starts the game with a Cloudstone Curio artifact token in play.

12. The Epic Round: All sorceries have Epic (For the rest of the game, you can't cast spells. At the beginning of each of your upkeeps, copy this spell except for its epic ability.).

13. Concise: Only cards with one-word names are legal.

14. Bleed: At the beginning of each player's upkeep, that player loses 1 life.

15. Unique: Each player gets 1 additional season point in this round for each card in their deck that no other player submitted this round.


Participation is entirely voluntary, and all you can win is bragging rights. We do this for fun.
If you missed a round, or want to enter mid-season, no problem. You can (re-)enter in any round. All you missed was a few potential season points.
And fun. You missed out on fun. Which is a lot worse than lagging behind on the score sheet.


Standings for season 9 after round 5:
1. dte: 22,3
2. FTW: 19,4
3. Serguei: 17,6
4. Tylert: 16,9
5. Wrath of Pie: 15,4
6. Reeplcheep: 13,3
7. silkster: 12,9
8. maxx!: 12,2
9. Asthereal (TO): 12,2
10. H: 12
11. jhhdk: 11,3
12. GoblinSmashmaster: 9,1
13. alphastryk: 6,6


Direct links to posts with the decks for each round in the nineth season:
- Decks and discussion for round 6
- Decks and discussion for round 5
- Decks and discussion for round 4
- Decks and discussion for round 3
- Decks and discussion for round 2
- Decks and discussion for round 1



HOW 4 CARD BLIND WORKS

All participants create a legal 4 card deck, and send it to the tournament organizer via PM before the deadline, but after the organizer has officially started the round.
After the deadline has expired, the tournament organizer posts all decks on the forum, and participants get to figure out who wins against who, and post results.
Every participant posts results for every opponent, so that everybody gets to cross-check their results and agree on the outcome. When in doubt, the community will help.
All participants play one game on the play and one on the draw against every other participant in that round. A win gets you 3 points, a draw is worth 1 point.
This means if you win on the play and score a draw when on the draw, you will score 3 + 1 = 4 points against that particular opponent.
The tournament organizer will add all scores and create a scoring table for the round, which will show who did the best in that particular round.
We will try to play a round every week. Every round the participants send in a new deck, hoping to out-smart the others.

New system for season points:
We have a new system for the season points in season 2 and onwards of 4CB. This season, we work with weighed scores per round. This goes as follows:
Season points for each round equal total points scored for the round, divided by the number of opponents in that round. Note: season points are rounded to one decimal.
So if you play against 8 players and score 17 points, you will score 17/8=2.125, which rounds to 2.1 season points for that round.
The winner of course is the one who has the most season points at the end of the season. For season 2, we plan to play 12 rounds.

Old system, for reference:
The top-4 for each round scores season points. The winner of each round gets 5 points added to their season total. Number two gets 3 points, number three gets 2 and number 4 gets 1.
In this opening post, the tournament organizer (me, for now) will post standings for the current season, and document winners for previous seasons.

Note: The tournament organizer (me) also plays along. Before each round starts, ho sends his own deck to himself via PM.
Afterwards, he posts on the forum that the round can start, and only then, other participants may send in their decks for the round.
We do this because otherwise, participants can accuse the organizer of creating a deck designed to beat what others have sent in.

Sending in your deck
As mentioned, you send your deck for the round via PM to the tournament organizer, which (for now) is me: Asthereal.
Please send your deck as follows (enter relevant season number, round number, username):

Subject: 4CB S04R01 deck
(4CB so I know what it's about / S04R01 means Season 4 Round 1, please adjust accordingly)
Message: Plains, Mother of Runes, Student of Warfare, Swords to Plowshares
(I prefer to receive the cards in card tags, and in this way of presenting: {cards}cardname1{/cards}, {cards}cardname2{/cards}, {cards}cardname3{/cards}, {cards}cardname4{/cards}, but with [] instead of {}.
If you send the deck this way, I can copy and paste super fast. That saves me a LOT of time!

Please only send it after I have announced the round has started, and before the deadline (obviously).
I also participate, so I have to send my own deck to myself before any other decks come in.

When a player submits a deck containing a banned card
When a player sends an illegal deck, and it's not noticed by either the player or the tournament organizer before posting decks for the round, that the player gets to swap the illegal card(s) with (a) basic land(s) of their choice.
This way, if someone accidentally sends in a deck containing a banned card, at least they get to still play using the remaining cards.
If you do notice before decks are posted for the round, just send a new PM with a new deck containing only legal cards.
If the TO catches it in time, he/she will send a PM to the player, but the TO is not responsible for the legality of entries.

The games go as follows
- You start with all four cards from your deck in your opening hand, and play from there.
- You don't lose the game for having to draw a card when you can't (obviously), rest stays the same as in regular MtG, so f.i. if a card ends up in your library, you will draw it next draw step.
- Random effects always have the effect that is most favorable to the opponent.
- Every player always plays optimally. If anyone finds a better line, that line is played.

Example
John sends in this deck: Taiga, Kird Ape, Lightning Bolt, Raze
Sarah sends in this deck: Sandstone Needle, City of Traitors, Boldwyr Heavyweights, Aftershock (actually, this was my first ever 4CB deck )
This looks like John's in trouble, because the Heavyweights will crush him big time, but actually, John wins this 4 to 1 because Sarah's lands are too slow.
OTP: T1 John plays Taiga, Kird Ape, T1 Sarah plays Sandstone Needle. T2 John plays Raze and kills the Needle, after which he rides the Ape to victory.
OTD: T1 Sarah plays Needle, T1 John cannot allow her to add a City and cast the Heavyweights, so he just goes Taiga, Raze the Needle and it's a draw because no one can cast anything anymore.

If anyone finds better lines, they can be openly discussed on the forum, and in the end the score for the optimal play on both sides is the final score.
So if you're not a very experienced player, that's no problem. Others will help you find the optimal play. 4CB is all about deck building and adapting to trends in the "meta".

Bannings
We will use special banning lists for 4CB, because certain cards that seem boring end up completely breaking this format (best example is Burning Inquiry).
In the post below you will find the bannings for the formats we play. (Note: we won't ban any cards for season 3 and 4.)



4 CARD BLIND - SEASON EIGHT: PEASANT CONTINUED BANNATHON

Season eight of Four Card Blind has come to a close. This season, we played twelve rounds of Peasant: decks consist of one uncommon card, and the rest of the cards have to be commons.
Also, we turned it into a bannathon, where after each round, the cards from the three best scoring decks in that round were added to the banned list.
If more decks were tied for third, all cards from those were banned. There is one exception to the bannings: basic lands did NOT get banned.

But there was another catch: we kept the banned list from season 7, and we kept adding to that list during this season.
So we started with the card pool after round 12 from season 7, but we added all uncommon cards to the playable options.
From there, we continued the banathon, so the banned list grew further with each round, still changing the meta constantly.
We started with ALL UNCOMMON CARDS UNBANNED, so even the most broken uncommons could be played in round one. That didn't last long though.

For this season, we stuck to the scoring system from previous seasons:
All players score season points for all rounds they play. Season points for each round equal total points scored for the round, divided by the number of opponents in that round.
The tournament organizer will make calculations (or have Google Spreadsheet figure that stuff out) and keep track of standings below. Note: season points are always rounded to one decimal.
You will find the Google Spreadsheet for season 8 here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

Standings for season 8 after the final round:
1. silkster: 48,5 - congrats on winning this season!!
2. dte: 48,2
3. maxx!: 40,7
4. FTW: 39,8
5. Asthereal (TO): 31,1
6. alphastryk: 30,4
7. GoblinSmashmaster: 30,2
8. Wrath of Pie: 29,4
9. Reeplcheep: 28,1
10. Tylert: 28
11. H: 23,4
12. jhhdk: 5,8
13. Karshtakavaar: 2,6

Direct links to posts with the decks for each round in the eighth season:
- Decks and discussion for round 12
- Decks and discussion for round 11
- Decks and discussion for round 10
- Decks and discussion for round 9
- Decks and discussion for round 8
- Decks and discussion for round 7
- Decks and discussion for round 6
- Decks and discussion for round 5
- Decks and discussion for round 4
- Decks and discussion for round 3
- Decks and discussion for round 2
- Decks and discussion for round 1



4 CARD BLIND - SEASON SEVEN: PAUPER BANNATHON

This season, we played twelve rounds of Pauper: only common cards allowed.
Also, we turned it into a bannathon, where after each round, the cards from the three best scoring decks in that round were added to the banned list. If more decks were tied for third, all cards from those were banned.
There is one exception to the bannings: basic lands DON'T get banned.

For this season, we used the scoring system from previous seasons:
All players score season points for all rounds they play. Season points for each round equal total points scored for the round, divided by the number of opponents in that round.
The tournament organizer will make calculations (or have Google Spreadsheet figure that stuff out) and keep track of standings below. Note: season points are always rounded to one decimal.
You will find the Google Spreadsheet for season 7 here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

Standings for season 7 after the final round:
1. FTW: 40,9 - Congrats on winning this one!
2. maxx!: 40,1
3. silkster: 37,9
4. H: 37,2
5. alphastryk: 31,4
6. Asthereal (TO): 30,3
7. GoblinSmashmaster: 29,9
8. Wrath of Pie: 27,7
9. Tylert: 25
10. dte: 16,8
11. Reeplcheep: 15,5
12. Moosedog: 12,5

Direct links to posts with the decks for each round in the seventh season:
- Decks and discussion for round 12
- Decks and discussion for round 11
- Decks and discussion for round 10
- Decks and discussion for round 9
- Decks and discussion for round 8
- Decks and discussion for round 7
- Decks and discussion for round 6
- Decks and discussion for round 5
- Decks and discussion for round 4
- Decks and discussion for round 3
- Decks and discussion for round 2
- Decks and discussion for round 1


4 CARD BLIND - SEASON SIX: DEVIANT LEGACY

This season, we played 12 rounds of Legacy, but with a twist: every round had a special rule which changes how Magic (and 4CB) would normally work.
We used a fixed banned list for every round, which you will find in the second post of this thread.
Additionally, each round contained its own bannings when we deemed those necessary, which were in the rules for that round when relevant.

For this season, we again stuck to the scoring system from previous seasons:
All players score season points for all rounds they play. Season points for each round equal total points scored for the round, divided by the number of opponents in that round.
The tournament organizer will make calculations (or have Google Spreadsheet figure that stuff out) and keep track of standings below. Note: season points are always rounded to one decimal.
You will find the Google Spreadsheet for season 6 here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

The schedule:
- Round 1: Astroturf - Each player has this ability: Discard a card: create land token named "Astroturf", which has "T: add 2 mana of any one color". This ability can only be played at any time you could play a sorcery. Additional bannings: All cards that can make an opponent discard or otherwise remove from his or her hand more than one card at the same time.
- Round 2: Commander - Each player submits a legendary creature as fifth card and commander with their regular 4 card deck, the commander starts in the command zone and the games are played out as they would in regular 4 card blind, but combined with commander rules: Players start with 30 life, players lose when they receive 21 or more commander damage, commanders can be played from the command zone, if a commander dies or leaves the battlefield, it can be exiled into the command zone but will cost an additional 2 generic mana to cast each time it is exiled to the command zone, players can only use cards that either match colors of their commander or are colorless and do not contain mana symbols of other colors. All cards can be played only once except for basic lands. Additional banning: Karakas.
- Round 3: Tribal - Each deck needs to have at least two creature cards of the same creature type. No additional bannings.
Round 4: Russian Life Poker - Each player submits a life total between 1 and 30 with their deck, in each match the player with the lowest bid for life total is on the play in both games, if players submitted the same bid, the match is played out normally with both players one game on the play. No additional bannings.
- Round 5: Take Five - During the first 5 turns of the game, players can't lose the game, lose life or get poison counters. (Counting of the turns works as follows: player A gets turn 1, player B then gets turn 2, player A gets turn 3, player B gets turn 4 and player A gets turn 5. So when player A is on the play, player B will be the first to be able to deal damage and so on.) Addition bannings: Pact of Negation, Pact of the Titan, Slaughter Pact.
- Round 6: Deja vu - All spells can be cast from graveyards as well. If you do, the card gains "if this card would be put in a graveyard, exile it instead". (NB. This is a replacement effect.) Additional bannings: Dark Ritual, Lion's Eye Diamond, all cards that have or use the "storm" mechanic.
- Round 7: Pauper - Only commons can be played. Lowest rarity counts. Additional banning: Empty the Warrens
- Round 8: Storm Season - Your deck must lose 0-6 to Island, Plains, Storm Crow, Stormfront Pegasus. No additional bannings.
- Round 9: Blocked - All cards in your deck must come from the same block. No core sets or Modern Masters-like sets allowed. No additional bannings.
- Round 10: Life Support - Your starting life total is the total converted mana cost of all cards in your deck. No additional bannings.
- Round 11: 4.5 Card Blind - Each player submits a 5 card deck, the 5th card is only played in the game when you are on the draw, the fifth card has to be specified otherwise the tournament organizer will specify the fith card submitted as the card that will only be played on the draw. No additional bannings.
- Round 12 (finale): Medallion - All spells cost one generic mana less to cast. Addition bannings: Sensei's Divining Top.

Standings for season 6 after the final round:
1. Wrath of Pie: 41,6 - congrats on winning this one by literally the smallest of margins!
2. FTW: 41,5
3. Tylert: 38,2
4. Asthereal (TO): 35,7
5. silkster: 33,9
6. Moosedog: 29,1
7. alphastryk: 28
8. GoblinSmashmaster: 24,1
9. H: 22,6

Direct links to posts with the decks for each round in the sixth season:
- Decks and discussion for round 12
- Decks and discussion for round 11
- Decks and discussion for round 10
- Decks and discussion for round 9
- Decks and discussion for round 8
- Decks and discussion for round 7
- Decks and discussion for round 6
- Decks and discussion for round 5
- Decks and discussion for round 4
- Decks and discussion for round 3
- Decks and discussion for round 2
- Decks and discussion for round 1


4 CARD BLIND - SEASON FIVE: MODERN MADNESS

This season, we played 12 rounds of Modern, using a starting banned list you will find in the second post, and banning every winning deck after each round.
Except for basic lands, that is. Basic lands are always legal. But besides that, we will ban for further rounds every card from the deck that places first in any given round.
All cards that are noted in the Gatherer as "legal in Modern" are legal, AND all cards that are noted "banned in Modern" but don't appear in our banned list are also legal.
For this season, we stick to the scoring system from season 2, 3 and 4:
All players score season points for all rounds they play. Season points for each round equal total points scored for the round, divided by the number of opponents in that round.
The tournament organizer will make calculations (or have Google Spreadsheet figure that stuff out) and keep track of standings below. Note: season points are always rounded to one decimal.

You will find the Google Spreadsheet for season 5 here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

Standings for season 5 after round 12:
1. Asthereal (TO): 41,8 <- congrats to me for winning this one!
2. FTW: 37,2
3. Tylert: 33,3
4. H: 32,6
5. Wrath of Pie: 24,7
6. Moosedog: 15,8
7. GoblinSmashmaster: 2,2

Direct links to posts with the decks for each round in the fifth season:
- Decks and discussion for round 12
- Decks and discussion for round 11
- Decks and discussion for round 10
- Decks and discussion for round 9
- Decks and discussion for round 8
- Decks and discussion for round 7
- Decks and discussion for round 6
- Decks and discussion for round 5
- Decks and discussion for round 4
- Decks and discussion for round 3
- Decks and discussion for round 2
- Decks and discussion for round 1


4 CARD BLIND - SEASON FOUR: The Block Tour - part 2

The schedule:
Round 1: Alara block (Shards of Alara, Conflux, Alara Reborn)
Round 2: Zendikar block (Zendikar, Worldwake, Rise of the Eldrazi)
Round 3: Scars of Mirrodin block (Scars of Mirrodin, Mirrodin Besieged, New Phyrexia)
Round 4: Innistrad block (Innistrad, Dark Ascension, Avacyn Restored)
Round 5: Return to Ravnica block (Return to Ravnica, Gatecrash, Dragon's Maze)
Round 6: Modern Core "block" (Magic Origins, Core Set 2019, Core Set 2020)
Round 7: Theros block (Theros, Born of the Gods, Journey into Nyx)
Round 8: Khans of Tarkir block (Khans of Tarkir, Fate Reforged, Dragons of Tarkir)
Round 9: Battle for Zendikar & Shadows over Innistrad block (Battle for Zendikar, Oath of the Gatewatch, Shadows over Innistrad, Eldritch Moon)
Round 10: Kaladesh & Amonkhet block (Kaladesh, Aether Revolt, Amonkhet, Hour of Devastation)
Round 11: Guilds of Ravnica block (Guilds of Ravnica, Ravnica Allegiance, War of the Spark)
Round 12 (finale): Modern Masters (Modern Masters, Modern Masters 2015, Modern Masters 2017)

The rules: no bannings, also no cards banned that were originally banned in the block, as 4CB is very different from normal MtG.
Scoring: same as season 2 & 3. Per round 3 points for a win, 1 for a draw. Season points are all points for a round, divided by the number of opponents.
You will find the Google Spreadsheet for season 4 here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

Final Standings after the last round of The Block Tour part 2:
1. GoblinSmashmaster: 40,9 - congrats on winning this fourth season of 4CB!
2. Wrath of Pie: 32,5
3. Unlif3: 32
4. FTW: 32
5. square_two: 29,9
6. H: 29,1
7. Tylert: 27,6
8. Asthereal (TO): 27,2

Direct links to posts with the decks for each round in the fourth season:
- Decks and discussion for round 12
- Decks and discussion for round 11
- Decks and discussion for round 10
- Decks and discussion for round 9
- Decks and discussion for round 8
- Decks and discussion for round 7
- Decks and discussion for round 6
- Decks and discussion for round 5
- Decks and discussion for round 4
- Decks and discussion for round 3
- Decks and discussion for round 2
- Decks and discussion for round 1


4 CARD BLIND - SEASON THREE: The Block Tour

The schedule:
Round 1: Mirage block (Mirage, Visions, Weatherlight)
Round 2: Tempest block (Tempest, Stronghold, Exodus)
Round 3: Urza's Saga block (Urza's Saga, Urza's Legacy, Urza's Destiny)
Round 4: Mercadian Masques block (Mercadian Masques, Nemesis, Prophecy)
Round 5: Invasion block (Invasion, Planeshift, Apocalypse)
Round 6: Odyssey block (Odyssey, Torment, Judgment)
Round 7: Onslaught block (Onslaught, Legions, Scourge)
Round 8: Mirrodin block (Mirrodin, Darksteel, Fifth Dawn)
Round 9: Kamigawa block (Champions of Kamigawa, Betrayers of Kamigawa, Saviors of Kamigawa)
Round 10: Ravnica block (Ravnica, Guildpact, Dissension)
Round 11: Time Spiral block (Time Spiral, Planar Chaos, Future Sight)
Round 12 (finale): Lorwyn & Shadowmoor block (Lorwyn, Morningtide, Shadowmoor, Eventide)

The rules: no bannings, also no cards banned that were originally banned in the block, as 4CB is very different from normal MtG.
Scoring: same as season 2. Per round 3 points for a win, 1 for a draw. Season points are all points for a round, divided by the number of opponents.
You will find the Google Spreadsheet for season 3 here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

Final standings for Season 3 - The Block Tour - part 1:
1. Asthereal (TO): 45,5 - congrats to myself for clinching this one! ^^
2. FTW: 40,3
3. Wrath of Pie: 35,8
4. GoblinSmashmaster: 33,3
5. Unlif3: 23,4
6. H: 23,1
7. Whoshim: 17,3
8. Tylert: 17,2
9. BirdsOfParadise: 6,3
10. apple713: 3,5

Direct links to posts with the decks for each round in the third season:
- Decks and discussion for round 12
- Decks and discussion for round 11
- Decks and discussion for round 10
- Decks and discussion for round 9
- Decks and discussion for round 8
- Decks and discussion for round 7
- Decks and discussion for round 6
- Decks and discussion for round 5
- Decks and discussion for round 4
- Decks and discussion for round 3
- Decks and discussion for round 2
- Decks and discussion for round 1


4 CARD BLIND - SEASON TWO: Vintage Bannathon

This season, we played 12 rounds of Vintage Bannathon. Barring Unglued, unhinged, conspiracy and ante cards, everything was unbanned at the start of the season.
After each round, we banned all cards from top scoring decks. This worked as follows:
- If a round had 12 or more participants, all cards from the top 5 scoring decks got banned for future rounds.
- If a round had 8, 9, 10 or 11 participants, all cards from the top 4 scoring decks got banned for future rounds.
- If a round had 7 or less participants, all cards from the top 3 scoring decks got banned for future rounds.
In this way, the banned list grew with each round, changing the meta, making new strategies viable. Keeping every round fresh.
And yes, for round one we got to play Black Lotus. It did not last long.

The Google Spreadsheet for season 2 can be found here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

Final standings for season 2, the Vintage Bannathon:
1. FTW: 48,6 - congrats on winning this second season of 4CB!
2. Asthereal (TO): 40,9
3. Wrath of Pie: 38,9
4. apple713: 33,5
5. GoblinSmashmaster: 31,7
6. Whoshim: 29,1
7. Tylert: 24,1
8. H: 20,5
9. Ace/Homebrew: 0,5
10. Lemon: 0,4

Direct links to posts with the decks for each round in the second season:
- Decks and discussion for round 12
- Decks and discussion for round 11
- Decks and discussion for round 10
- Decks and discussion for round 9
- Decks and discussion for round 8
- Decks and discussion for round 7
- Decks and discussion for round 6
- Decks and discussion for round 5
- Decks and discussion for round 4
- Decks and discussion for round 3
- Decks and discussion for round 2
- Decks and discussion for round 1


4 CARD BLIND - SEASON ONE (Legacy)

The spreadsheet for Season 1 is available: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

League table for Season 1 - Legacy

Final standings after the last round (8):
1. Wrath of Pie: 22 - congratulations are in order: Wrath takes the season! Well done.
2. Tylert: 16
3. apple713: 11
4. JackaBo: 10
4. Asthereal (TO): 10
6. FTW: 7
7. phonics: 6
8. PirateKing: 5
9. Taconaut: 2
9. tescrin: 2
9. spirit of the wretch: 2
9. kombatkiwi: 2
13. JosefK: 1
14. Clx33: 0
14. Sloshthedark: 0
14. CptHaddock: 0
14. Kap'n Cook: 0
14. H: 0
14. Matsu: 0
14. Mr. Safety: 0
14. Fallen_Empire: 0
14. mistercakes: 0
14. beardstorm: 0
14. Dan Pyre: 0
14. spartan117: 0
14. ronco: 0
14. Darklingske: 0
14. Ace/Homebrew: 0
14. PapriNgomo: 0
14. Strawberry Dwarf: 0

Direct links to posts with the decks for each round in the first season:
- Decks and discussion for round 8
- Decks and discussion for round 7
- Decks and discussion for round 6
- Decks and discussion for round 5
- Decks and discussion for round 4
- Decks and discussion for round 3
- Decks and discussion for round 2
- Decks and discussion for round 1

[Asthereal]

Banned list for Legacy (seasons 1, 6, 9 and 10) (version current since february 28th 2021)

Banned are:
- All cards that reference "Ante" http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Se...%20ante.%22%5d
- All cards that have card type "conspiracy" http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Se...nspiracy%22%5d
- All cards from the sets Unglued, Unhinged, Unstable and future "Un"-sets
- All cards that require physical dexterity to use
- All cards that create subgames within the ongoing game of Magic
- Schemes, Planes, Contraptions, and other cards that were never printed as playables in competitive Magic.

And these individual cards:
Balance
Barbed Shocker
Black Lotus
Blackmail
Blazing Shoal
Burning Inquiry
Cabal Therapy
Chain of Smog
Chancellor of the Annex
Channel
Dark Deal
Dark Depths
Delirium Skeins
Elixir of Immortality
Fastbond
Field of Ruin
Flash
Force of Will
Gerrard's Verdict
Ghost Quarter
Hymn to Tourach
Induced Amnesia
Inquisition of Kozilek
Jace, Wielder of Mysteries
Laboratory Maniac
Leyline of Anticipation
Leyline of Singularity
Lion's Eye Diamond
Lupine Prototype
Mana Crypt
Mana Drain
Mana Vault
Mental Misstep
Mind Rake
Mind Swords
Mind Twist
Mishra’s Workshop
Mox Emerald
Mox Jet
Mox Pearl
Mox Ruby
Mox Sapphire
Oko, Thief of Crowns
Shelldock Isle
Show and Tell
Sol Ring
Strip Mine
Thassa's Oracle
The Rack
Thoughtseize
Time Vault
Time Walk
Wasteland
Wheel of Fortune
Windfall
Wistful Thinking

Updates will be posted below, for documentation purposes.
This banned list is work in progress and will be updated when necessary.

Update feb 14th 2019: Unbanned are Raze, Force of Will (reason: 2 for 1, should not be overpowered), Duress (reason: narrow enough).
Update feb 23rd 2019: Unbanned is: Mental Misstep (now officially, but on watch list). Banned are: Cabal Therapy, Blackmail, The Rack. Also made a complete banned list to reduce confusion.
Update mar 8th 2019: Lupine Prototype is now banned.
Update mar 22nd 2019: Field of Ruin is now banned.
Update mar 28th 2019: Dark Ritual, Reanimate, Trinisphere and Daze are unbanned. Shelldock Isle is banned.
Update apr 5th 2020: Thassa's Oracle, Force of Will, Mental Misstep, Hymn to Tourach, Jace, Wielder of Mysteries and Blazing Shoal are banned.
Update may 2nd 2020: Gerrard's Verdict, Chain of Smog and Delirium Skeins are now banned.
Update may 8th 2020: Mind Rake and Dark Deal are now banned.
Update may 17th 2020: Leyline of Singularity is banned.
Update jun 7th 2020: Mind Swords is banned.
Update jan 16th 2021: Leyline of Anticipation is banned.
Update feb 7th 2021: Oko, Thief of Crowns is banned.
Update feb 16th 2021: Ancestral Recall, Earthcraft, Oath of Druids, Shahrazad, Timetwister, Tinker, Tolarian Academy and Yawgmoth's Will are unbanned. Added general rules to the banned list for dexterity and subgame cards.
Update feb 21st 2021: Lion's Eye Diamond, Elixir of Immortality and Barbed Shocker are now banned.
Update feb 28th 2021: Induced Amnesia and Wistful Thinking are now banned.

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Banned list for Season 8: Peasant Continued Bannathon (version current since January 2nd, after the final round)

Banned are:
- All cards that reference "Ante" http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Se...%20ante.%22%5d
- All cards that have card type "conspiracy" http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Se...nspiracy%22%5d
- All cards from the sets Unglued, Unhinged and Unstable

And these individual cards:
Akrasan Squire
Akroan Crusader
Ancient Den
Ancient Tomb
Azorius Chancery
Barbed Shocker
Beckon Apparition
Benevolent Bodyguard
Blackmail
Bladeback Sliver
Blazing Volley
Blighted Agent
Bojuka Bog
Bone Picker
Bonesplitter
Burning Inquiry
Burning-Tree Emissary
Cabal Therapy
Canker Abomination
Carrion Feeder
Cast Down
Cenn's Tactician
Chain Lightning
Chronomaton
Cleansing Wildfire
Conjurer's Bauble
Corpulent Corpse
Corrupted Zendikon
Crack the Earth
Crookshank Kobolds
Cry of Contrition
Culling the Weak
Dark Ritual
Darksteel Citadel
Daze
Deathspore Thallid
Deftblade Elite
Desert
Disowned Ancestor
Divest
Duress
Durkwood Baloth
Edge of the Divinity
Elixir of Immortality
Errant Ephemeron
Esper Stormblade
Essence Flare
Evil Presence
Exhume
Faultgrinder
Feldon's Cane
Firewild Borderpost
Floodbringer
Force of Will
Forced Adaptation
Fountain of Cho
Fourth Bridge Prowler
Fume Spitter
Funeral Charm
Gather the Townsfolk
Gearsmith Prodigy
Geth's Verdict
Ghitu Lavarunner
Ghost Quarter
Gideon's Lawkeeper
Gladecover Scout
Glint Hawk
Gobhobbler Rats
Granger Guildmage
Great Furnace
Grim Initiate
Gruul Turf
Healer's Hawk
Hickory Woodlot
Hired Poisoner
Icatian Javelineers
Infiltrator il-Kor
Innocent Blood
Inquisition of Kozilek
Invisible Stalker
Irrigation Ditch
Isochron Scepter
Ivory Giant
Izzet Boilerworks
Jackal Pup
Journey to Nowhere
Judge's Familiar
Keldon Halberdier
Keldon Megaliths
Khalni Garden
Knight of Old Benalia
Knight of Sursi
Kobolds of Kher Keep
Kor Skyfisher
Kuldotha Rebirth
Laboratory Maniac
Lava Dart
Law-Rune Enforcer
Lightning Bolt
Liliana's Steward
Lotus Petal
Lush Growth
Mana Chains
Mark of Fury
Mental Misstep
Mesmeric fiend
Miasmic Mummy
Mind Swords
Mishra's Factory
Mistblade Shinobi
Mistveil Plains
Mistvein Borderpost
Moan of the Unhallowed
Mortuary Mire
Myr Servitor
Night Market Lookout
Nip Gwyllion
Oblivion Ring
Oppressive Rays
Ornithopter
Ostracize
Paralyze
Path to Exile
Peat Bog
Phantasmal Bear
Phantasmal Terrain
Phyrexian Walker
Piracy Charm
Plagued Rusalka
Porcelain Legionnaire
Primal Cocoon
Putrid Imp
Quicksand
Rakdos Carnarium
Raven's Crime
Raze
Reality Acid
Reanimate
Reef Shaman
Remote Farm
Rimebound Dead
Rite of Flame
Rogue Elephant
Sacred Cat
Sandstone Needle
Saprazzan Skerry
Satyr Hoplite
Scavenger Folk
Scythe Tiger
Sea's Claim
Seal of Fire
Seat of the Synod
Shamble Back
Shield Sphere
Shrieking Affliction
Sigil of Sleep
Simian Spirit Guide
Simic Growth Chamber
Sinkhole
Skittering Heartstopper
Skittering Skirge
Skyshroud Cutter
Slippery Bogle
Slither Blade
Snuff Out
Soldevi Sentry
Sparksmith
Spindrift Drake
Sprout Swarm
Squirrel Nest
Steadfast Sentinel
Stone Rain
Strip Mine
Subterranean Hangar
Sunscorched Desert
Tasseled Dromedary
Taste for Mayhem
Tel-Jilad Stylus
Tendrils of Despair
Thallid
The Rack
Thornbow Archer
Thunderclap
Tidal Warrior
Tin Street Hooligan
Tremble
Typhoid Rats
Ulamog’s Crusher
Unearth
Unstable Mutation
Utopia Mycon
Vampire Lacerator
Vault Skirge
Vendetta
Vile Rebirth
Viscerid Deepwalker
Wasteland
Wind Zendikon
Wind-Scarred Crag
Wingcrafter
Wistful Thinking
Wretched Banquet
Young Wolf
Acidic Slime
Cauldron Familiar
Dismember
Force Spike
Orcish Lumberjack
Pharika’s Chosen
Witch’s Oven
Zulaport Duelist

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Banned list for Season 7: Pauper Bannathon (version current since September 21st, after the final round)

Banned are:
- All cards that reference "Ante" http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Se...%20ante.%22%5d
- All cards that have card type "conspiracy" http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Se...nspiracy%22%5d
- All cards from the sets Unglued, Unhinged and Unstable

And these individual cards:
Akroan Crusader
Ancient Den
Beckon Apparition
Benevolent Bodyguard
Blazing Volley
Blighted Agent
Bone Picker
Bonesplitter
Burning Inquiry
Burning-Tree Emissary
Canker Abomination
Carrion Feeder
Corpulent Corpse
Crack the Earth
Crookshank Kobolds
Cry of Contrition
Culling the Weak
Dark Ritual
Daze
Desert
Disowned Ancestor
Divest
Duress
Durkwood Baloth
Edge of the Divinity
Errant Ephemeron
Esper Stormblade
Essence Flare
Evil Presence
Exhume
Feldon's Cane
Floodbringer
Forced Adaptation
Fume Spitter
Funeral Charm
Gearsmith Prodigy
Gladecover Scout
Glint Hawk
Gobhobbler Rats
Great Furnace
Grim Initiate
Healer's Hawk
Ivory Giant
Jackal Pup
Journey to Nowhere
Keldon Halberdier
Khalni Garden
Kobolds of Kher Keep
Kor Skyfisher
Kuldotha Rebirth
Lava Dart
Lightning Bolt
Liliana's Steward
Lotus Petal
Mana Chains
Mark of Fury
Miasmic Mummy
Mind Swords
Mistvein Borderpost
Myr Servitor
Nip Gwyllion
Oppressive Rays
Ornithopter
Peat Bog
Phyrexian Walker
Piracy Charm
Primal Cocoon
Quicksand
Rakdos Carnarium
Raven's Crime
Raze
Reef Shaman
Remote Farm
Rimebound Dead
Rogue Elephant
Sandstone Needle
Satyr Hoplite
Scythe Tiger
Sea's Claim
Seal of Fire
Seat of the Synod
Shamble Back
Sigil of Sleep
Simian Spirit Guide
Simic Growth Chamber
Sinkhole
Skittering Heartstopper
Skittering Skirge
Skyshroud Cutter
Slippery Bogle
Slither Blade
Snuff Out
Soldevi Sentry
Spindrift Drake
Sprout Swarm
Tasseled Dromedary
Tendrils of Despair
Tidal Warrior
Tremble
Ulamog’s Crusher
Unstable Mutation
Vampire Lacerator
Vault Skirge
Vendetta
Vile Rebirth
Viscerid Deepwalker
Wind Zendikon

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Banned list for Modern (version current since apr 2nd 2020, after S05R12)

Blackmail
Burning Inquiry
Chancellor of the Annex
Dark Depths
Field of Ruin
Ghost Quarter
Inquisition of Kozilek
Laboratory Maniac
Lupine Prototype
Shelldock Isle
Thassa's Oracle
The Rack
Thoughtseize

Blazing Shoal
Cenn's Tactician
Crashing Footfalls
Greater Gargadon
Inkmoth Nexus
Mental Misstep
Razorverge Thicket
Aether Vial
Chancellor of the Tangle
Myr Superion
Deputy of Detention
Eldrazi Temple
Eye of Ugin
Thought-Knot Seer
Akoum Refuge
Grove of the Burnwillows
Punishing Fire
Assassin's Trophy
Chronomaton
Cry of Contrition
Fume Spitter
Electrodominance
Keldon Halberdier
Lotus Bloom
Restore Balance
Blinkmoth Nexus
Quicksand
Steel Overseer
Golgari Rot Farm
Treetop Village
Elixir of Immortality
Abrupt Decay
Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
Mutavault
Shrieking Affliction
Smallpox
Stomping Ground
Durkwood Baloth
Hexdrinker
Lava Dart
Blackcleave Cliffs
Evil Presence
Cruel Sadist
Forge Devil
Calciform Pools
Celestial Colonnade
Jace, Wielder of Mysteries
Path to Exile

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Banned list for the Vintage Bannathon (final version after the conclusion of the second season of 4CB)

Banned are:
- All cards that reference "Ante" http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Se...%20ante.%22%5d
- All cards that have card type "conspiracy" http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Se...nspiracy%22%5d
- All cards from the sets Unglued, Unhinged and Unstable

All other cards are unbanned at the start. Bannings occur for high scoring decks in each round. These have gotten the axe during season 2:
Aether vial
Ancient Tomb
Arcbound Ravager
Ashen Rider
Assassin's trophy
Badlands
Balance
Bayou
Black Lotus
Blackcleave Cliffs
Blackmail
Blazing Shoal
Blooming Marsh
Burning Inquiry
Cabal Therapy
Cenn's Tactician
Chancellor of the Annex
Chancellor of the Forge
Chancellor of the tangle
Channel
Chronatog
Chronomaton
City of Traitors
Contagion
Crashing Footfalls
Cruel Sadist
Crystal Vein
Curse of the Pierced Heart
Dark Deal
Dark Depths
Dark Ritual
Daze
Delirium Skeins
Deputy of detention
Dismember
Disrupting Shoal
Divest
Dread Wanderer
Durkwood Baloth
Electrodominance
Elixir of immortality
Elspeth, Knight-Errant
Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
Encroach
Fastbond
Fatal Push
Flash
Foil
Force of Despair
Force of Negation
Force of Will
Forest
Ghost Quarter
Gitaxian Probe
Golgari Rot Farm
Greater Gargadon
Grove of the Burnwillows
Hammerheim
Hangarback Walker
Hexdrinker
Hired Poisoner
Inkmoth Nexus
Innocent Blood
Inquisition of Kozilek
Iona, Shield of Emeria
Island
Ivory Giant
Jace, Wielder of Mysteries
Karakas
Keldon Halberdier
Laboratory Maniac
Leyline of Anticipation
Leyline of Sanctity
Lion's Eye Diamond
Lotus Petal
Lupine Prototype
Lurebound Scarecrow
Mana Crypt
Mana Vault
Memnite
Mental Misstep
Mind Swords
Mishra's Factory
Mishra's Workshop
Mossfire Valley
Mox Emerald
Mox Jet
Mox Pearl
Mox Ruby
Mox Sapphire
Mutavault
Myr superion
Nether Spirit
Overgrown Tomb
Pardic Dragon
Path to Exile
Phantasmal Bear
Phyrexian Revoker
Piracy Charm
Powder Keg
Punishing Fire
Putrid Imp
Ratchet Bomb
Raze
Razorverge Thicket
Reanimate
Restore Balance
Ruins of Trokair
Sandstone Needle
Saprazzan Skerry
Savannah
Scrubland
Sea Drake
Selesnya Sanctuary
Show and Tell
Simian Spirit Guide
Skyshroud Cutter
Snapback
Snow-Covered Forest
Snow-Covered Island
Snow-Covered Swamp
Snuff Out
Sol Ring
Soldevi Sentry
Sphere of Resistance
Steel Overseer
Steppe Lynx
Strip Mine
Stromkirk Noble
Student of Warfare
Svyelunite Temple
Swamp
Thalakos Lowlands
The Rack
Thought-Knot Seer
Thoughtseize
Time Vault
Tolarian Academy
Treetop Village
Trinisphere
Tropical Island
Tundra
Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre
Unburial Rites
Underground Sea
Undiscovered Paradise
Unmask
Vampire Hexmage
Volcanic Island
Voltaic Servant
Wasteland
Wheel of Fortune
Worldspine Wurm
Young Wolf

[Kap'n Cook]

Ancient Tomb, Petal, Show and Tell, Ape-rakul has to be up there right? Or 3x Petal + True-Skill Nemesis?

[Asthereal]

Ancient Tomb, Petal, Show and Tell, Ape-rakul has to be up there right? Or 3x Petal + True-Skill Nemesis?

Indeed, stuff like that we can live without. Show and Tell probably needs to be on the banning list.

I'm not too scared of True-Name Nemesis though. For example, it loses to the Heavyweights deck in the example.

[PirateKing]

Ancient Tomb, Petal, Show and Tell, Ape-rakul has to be up there right? Or 3x Petal + True-Skill Nemesis?

Both would lose to a deck that's Swamp, Dark Ritual, Pox, Nether Spirit

[Asthereal]

You guys are getting the hang of this.

So the banning list should probably contain:
- Raze
- Thoughtseize (and a few friends, those aren't fun)
- Force of Will
- Daze
- Show and Tell
- Dark Ritual
- Hymn to Tourach (looks obvious, probably Gerrard's Verdict isn't much fun either)

What else?

[Dice_Box]

My first thought was Swamp, Factory, Edict, Thoughtseize.

Wasteland is so good in this meta. You need your lands to be pulling double duty, so attacking them is like a two for one.

[PirateKing]

Hymn isn't as scary without Dark Ritual. Casting on turn 2 to get how many card realistically?
Thoughtrsieze and Duress I get, since that'll be a turn 1 kill most often, But even a Land-Petal-Hymn-CMC1 deck would probably lose on the draw against most decks, so it seems fair.

[Asthereal]

Right, I played mostly 4CB in Vintage, with Moxen legal, which made Hymn pretty insane.
Perhaps in Legacy it's okay. BUT... It's not fun. Maybe still ban it?

And yup, Wasteland is VERY good. Should probably ban that.

Edit: Edited the second post with a preliminary banning list for Legacy.

[Dice_Box]

Also Ghost Quarter. "You can fetch a basic, after I strip mine you..."

Wasteland is good, but has to be built around. I think it's fine.

Force is unlikely to actually see a ton of play. Two for one with only four cards? Good plan.

[PirateKing]

Well I mean just to start, can anybody thing up a 4 card hand that wins 20 life without creatures?
Milling doesn't work and storm combo seems... untenable.
So basically, who's creature sticks around wins right?

[Hanni]

If Thoughtseize, Wasteland, and Ghost Quarter are banned, then...

Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
Duress
Dark Depths
Vampire Hexmage

Oops, looks like Duress and Inquisition are banned too. Something to protect the 20/20 then... Not of This World?

Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
Dark Depths
Vampire Hexmage
Not of This World

Folds to Diabolic Edict, though.

[Ace/Homebrew]

Well I mean just to start, can anybody thing up a 4 card hand that wins 20 life without creatures?
Milling doesn't work and storm combo seems... untenable.
So basically, who's creature sticks around wins right?

How about 2X Wasteland and 2X The Rack?

Also, I think we may miss out by jumping into a banned list early. More Cards = Better Time, right?

Having Mental Misstep neuters discard somewhat and that'd shorten the banned list. Thoughtseize and Misstep would be hugely powerful, but allowing both means other strategies would be viable. My Rack example is pretty immune to both...

Edit - Also, in the event of a tie, perhaps a tiebreaker could be 'who has the most life?'

[Hanni]

Does the four card thing allow multiples of the same card, or does it have to be 4 separate cards?

[Hanni]

Ancient Tomb
City of Traitors
Chalice of the Void
Thought-Knot Seer

[PirateKing]

Ancient Tomb
City of Traitors
Chalice of the Void
Thought-Knot Seer

Shit that's really good. Beats my Pox list on the play.

[Kap'n Cook]

Leyline of Anticipation, Simian Spirit Guide, Burning Inquiry, Basking Rootwalla


GG everyone



Only dies to Misstep?


#FreeNedleeds

[Ace/Homebrew]

Leyline of Anticipation, Simian Spirit Guide, Burning Inquiry, Basking Rootwalla


GG everyone



Only dies to Misstep?


#FreeNedleeds

Dies to Forest, 3X Basking Rootwalla.

[Kap'n Cook]

Dies to Forest, 3X Basking Rootwalla.

Haha true. I guess it’d have to be:

Leyline of anticipation
Simian spirit guide
Burning inquiry
Nether spirit

[mistercakes]

City of traitors, lotus petal, lab Maniac, street wraith.