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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    I have not done any prep yet anyway, so a deadline move is great. I am okay with either ruling, but I think using the Timeshifted cards is better than not.

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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    That's two in favour of keeping Timeshifted. Three if I interpret FTW's posts correctly.
    Four if I count my own opinion, which FTW has pushed to the other side with strong arguments, but honestly I'm fine either way, so I don't really count my own opinon here.

    No votes against yet.

    I'll let this run a few more hours, hoping the North Americans among us find time to respond, but so far it looks like I'll add Timeshifted (and the other "shifted" cards) to the list of legal cards.
    Plus moving the deadline a day, to give you guys time to look at the new meta.
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    I never saw the point of excluding the Timeshifted cards, honestly, given that they were block constructed legal at the time.

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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    Still no votes against, so:

    ANNOUNCEMENT:
    1. Time Spiral "Timeshifted" (and other shifted stuff) is legal.
    2. Deadline for the round has been moved to Thursday the 26th of September, at 9:00AM Central European Time. (That's one day later than usual.)
    3. Everybody who has already sent me a deck can send in something new if they want. I'll post the latest deck you PM'ed me after the deadline has passed.
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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    The new deadline has passed, and if my quick count is correct, we have 8 entries.

    I'm at work, and have many things to do, so I won't be able to post decks just yet.
    If someone still wants to send something in, you have a few hours still.
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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    DECKS FOR ROUND 11 OF THE BLOCK TOUR - Time Spiral block (Time Spiral (including "Timeshifted"), Planar Chaos, Future Sight):

    1. Asthereal (TO): Lotus Bloom, Lotus Bloom, Lotus Bloom, Barren Glory
    2. Wrath of Pie: Lotus Bloom, Lotus Bloom, Simian Spirit Guide, Barren Glory
    3. FTW: Swamp, Mindlash Sliver, The Rack, The Rack
    4. Unlif3: Lotus Bloom, Lotus Bloom, Lotus Bloom, Barren Glory
    5. H: Swamp, Molten Slagheap, Avatar of Woe, Augur of Skulls
    6. GoblinSmashmaster: Flagstones of Trokair, Pact of the Titan, Pact of the Titan, Angel's Grace
    7. Tylert: Dryad arbor, Pendelhaven, Pendelhaven elder, Thallid
    8. Whoshim: Dryad Arbor, Dryad Arbor, Magus of the Vineyard, Pendelhaven Elder

    Please post your scores and cross-check with the opponents.
    I'll update the Google Spreadsheet for the season, so you can enter your scores there as well: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing
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    GiantSmashmaster results for round "Lotus Bloom is too slow"

    1. Asthereal (TO): Lotus Bloom, Lotus Bloom, Lotus Bloom, Barren Glory
    I'm faster. 6-0

    2. Wrath of Pie: Lotus Bloom, Lotus Bloom, Simian Spirit Guide, Barren Glory
    I'm still faster. 6-0

    3. FTW: Swamp, Mindlash Sliver, The Rack, The Rack
    Pesky discard. 4-1

    4. Unlif3: Lotus Bloom, Lotus Bloom, Lotus Bloom, Barren Glory
    I'm faster again. 6-0

    5. H: Swamp, Molten Slagheap, Avatar of Woe, Augur of Skulls
    If you regenerate you can't build mana. 6-0

    6. GoblinSmashmaster: Flagstones of Trokair, Pact of the Titan, Pact of the Titan, Angel's Grace
    I can't 6-0 myself :(

    7. Tylert: Dryad arbor, Pendelhaven, Pendelhaven elder, Thallid
    Elder is just fast enough 4-1

    8. Whoshim: Dryad Arbor, Dryad Arbor, Magus of the Vineyard, Pendelhaven Elder
    Elder is just fast enough 4-1

    36 points!
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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    Oh LOL I missed the obvious combo.

    3. FTW: Swamp, Mindlash Sliver, The Rack, The Rack

    1. Asthereal (TO): Racks are too slow and you can hold back a Lotus to dodge discard. LL 0-6
    2. Wrath of Pie: Racks are too slow and you can hold SSG to dodge discard. LL 0-6
    4. Unlif3: Racks are too slow and you can hold back a Lotus to dodge discard. LL 0-6
    5. H: I get down at least 1 Rack and Sliver before you can pop Augur. So if you play Augur, I discard your Avatar and Rack wins. If you don't play Augur, I play out both Racks first, discard your Augur, and Racks win the race. WW 6-0
    6. GoblinSmashmaster: EDIT - I can't win on the play! DL 1-4
    7. Tylert: Haven't considered all premutations but pretty sure if I just play out my Racks and save Sliver to hold off attackers when you don't have the pump open (and then chump later), 6 per turn from Racks win the race. Thallid army is too slow. WW 6-0.
    8. Whoshim: Same thing as Tyler. Also if you play Magus early, I can use the mana to play Racks and sac Sliver to get rid of a card. WW 6-0

    19 points (6 wins, 1 draw, 7 losses)

    Vs GoblinSmashmaster
    Me - Swamp, Sliver
    You - Flagstones

    Me - Hold mana open and do nothing. Now if you play both Pacts EOT, I discard your Grace and you lose the game, so you can only play one Pact!
    You - Do nothing
    Me - Twiddle thumbs

    OTD I can't threaten to discard anything fast enough so the double Pact races me.
    You - Flagstones
    Me - Swamp. Rack. EOT you play both Pacts.

    You - Rack deals 2. You cast Angel's Grace. Attack with 2 4/4s. [me=12, you=18]
    Me - Rack

    You - Racks deal 6. Attack for 8. [me=4, you=12]
    Me - Sliver

    You - Racks deal 6. [you=6]. I can chump one, but it's just barely not enough. [me=0]
    Last edited by FTW; 09-26-2019 at 09:33 AM.

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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    Asthereal results for a barren round:

    1. Asthereal (TO): that's me, obvious combo is obvious: Lotus Bloom, Lotus Bloom, Lotus Bloom, Barren Glory
    2. Wrath of Pie: obvious combo mirror is obviously a WL. 3-3
    3. FTW: keep one Lotus to discard to the sliver. Combo is fast enough. 6-0
    4. Unlif3: obvious combo mirror is obviously a WL. 3-3
    5. H: Augur is fast enough to make me discard what I need. 0-6
    6. GoblinSmashmaster: the other obvious combo was obviously overlooked by me. You're just in time. 0-6
    7. Tylert: My combo is fast enough. 6-0
    8. Whoshim: My combo is fast enough. 6-0

    Total: 24 points, if I can still count. Let's enter the data into the spreadsheet to check, just in case.


    Math against the Gobbocrusher:

    A: Suspend Lotusses, L=3
    G: Play land. Make 2 4/4 bodies
    A: L=2
    G: Cast Grace so you don't lose. Attack, A=12
    A: L=1
    G: Attack, A=4
    A: L=0, cast Barren Glory
    G: Attack, A=-4
    A: Wanted to win, but yeah.
    G: gg ez


    Math against H:

    A: Suspend Lotusses, L=3
    H: Land
    A: L=2
    H: Land, cast Augur
    A: L=1
    H: Upkeep: sac Augur. A discards some relevant stuff.
    A: Is unhappy. Also, L=0 so A gets Lotusses.
    H: Spends a while getting a wincon into play and then winning.
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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    1. Asthereal: This seems like the best line OTP: T1 = Pendhel / thallid. Suspend bloom 1
    T2 = thallid (1), Dryad arbor, attack for 2 (18). suspend bloom 2, bloom 1 (2)
    T3 = Thallid (2), Elder, attack for 1 (17). suspend bloom 3, bloom 1 (1), bloom 2 (2)
    T4 = Thallid (3), Attack for 4 (13). cast bloom, bloom 2 (1), bloom 3 (1), make a 1/1
    T5 = Thallid (1), attack for 6 (7). Cast bloom 2, cast barren glory
    T6 = Thallid (2), attack for 6 (1). Refuse casting bloom 3, win
    It seems like i'm not fast enough to win OTP, so it must be the same OTD. To be confirmed because i think pendelhaven and pendelhaven elder do not work together (Once one effect has resolved, the other one does nothing). If that is not the case, I win at least OTP. 0-6 --> 0
    2. Wrath of Pie: Same as above: 0-6 --> 0
    3. FTW: OTP: I don't think i can beat this once again. 0-6 --> 0
    4. Unlif3: Another barren glory deck. 0-6 --> 0
    5. H: OTP, you can't disard anything from my hand and you can't store mana fast enough. OTD, whatever you do (discard or regen) i can kill you faster than you will. 6-0 --> 6
    6. GoblinSmashmaster: OTP: I count a draw at best if i play dryad arbor first and play defense with elder. If you attack mindlessly, there's a point in time where i have to double block and use elder to pump thallid + dryad. i kill one guy, but you can kill thallid. then no one can attack.
    T1 = Dryad arbor. Flagstone, pact / pact
    T2 = pendlehaven, elder. cast grace, attack for 8 (12)
    T3 = Thallid. attack, double block with Thalid and dryad (8), you kill the thallid.
    T4 = Can't attack, you can't attack. Draw.
    OTP: T1 = flagstone, pact / pact. Dryad arbor
    T2 = cast grace, attack for 8 (12). pendlehaven, elder
    T3 = Attack for 8 (4). Thallid
    T4 = Attack for 8. I double block and chump. you can kill my elder and i'll need to chump next turn and die later.
    however, if pendlehaven and elder stack, i can win one game at least. waiting for the elders (pun intended) advice. 1-4 --> 7
    7. Me
    8. whoshim: OTP: I think i win this one because of Thallid. 6-0 --> 13

    So guys plz confirm that pendlehaven and pendelhaven elder do not stack.
    Total 13.
    That's the reward you get when you build with the first cool card (pendelhaven, then search for good 1/1 creatures) you see in the set and forget to check fast mana and combo pieces :(

    @Goblinsmashmaster: Check my results. We do not agree.

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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    H: Swamp, Molten Slagheap, Avatar of Woe, Augur of Skulls

    1. Asthereal (TO): Lotus Bloom, Lotus Bloom, Lotus Bloom, Barren Glory
    Totally missed it, but my deck is inadvertently good against it. 6-0

    2. Wrath of Pie: Lotus Bloom, Lotus Bloom, Simian Spirit Guide, Barren Glory
    Same, Auger is good here. 6-0

    3. FTW: Swamp, Mindlash Sliver, The Rack, The Rack
    Whoops, totally missed the Rack. 0-6

    4. Unlif3: Lotus Bloom, Lotus Bloom, Lotus Bloom, Barren Glory
    Skull still good here. 6-0

    5. H: Bye, myself.

    6. GoblinSmashmaster: Flagstones of Trokair, Pact of the Titan, Pact of the Titan, Angel's Grace
    I'm not here fast enough at all. 0-6

    7. Tylert: Dryad arbor, Pendelhaven, Pendelhaven elder, Thallid
    Not here either. 0-6

    8. Whoshim: Dryad Arbor, Dryad Arbor, Magus of the Vineyard, Pendelhaven Elder
    Even with the extra two mana, I think I am about a turn short from being able to stabilize. 0-6

    18, not bad considering how much obvious stuff I missed.
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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    Quote Originally Posted by Tylert View Post
    1. Asthereal: This seems like the best line OTP: T1 = Pendhel / thallid. Suspend bloom 1
    T2 = thallid (1), Dryad arbor, attack for 2 (18). suspend bloom 2, bloom 1 (2)
    T3 = Thallid (2), Elder, attack for 1 (17). suspend bloom 3, bloom 1 (1), bloom 2 (2)
    T4 = Thallid (3), Attack for 4 (13). cast bloom, bloom 2 (1), bloom 3 (1), make a 1/1
    T5 = Thallid (1), attack for 6 (7). Cast bloom 2, cast barren glory
    T6 = Thallid (2), attack for 6 (1). Refuse casting bloom 3, win
    It seems like i'm not fast enough to win OTP, so it must be the same OTD. To be confirmed because i think pendelhaven and pendelhaven elder do not work together (Once one effect has resolved, the other one does nothing). If that is not the case, I win at least OTP. 0-6 --> 0
    Have you considered the fact that I can suspend two Blooms on turn 1 and win on turn 4?
    I don't have to suspend one Bloom at a time.
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    2. Wrath of Pie: Lotus Bloom, Lotus Bloom, Simian Spirit Guide, Barren Glory

    1. Asthereal (TO): Lotus Bloom, Lotus Bloom, Lotus Bloom, Barren Glory WL
    3. FTW: Swamp, Mindlash Sliver, The Rack, The Rack WW
    4. Unlif3: Lotus Bloom, Lotus Bloom, Lotus Bloom, Barren Glory WL
    5. H: Swamp, Molten Slagheap, Avatar of Woe, Augur of Skulls LL - I wanted to play Augur of Skulls but found nothing to go with it that I liked.
    6. GoblinSmashmaster: Flagstones of Trokair, Pact of the Titan, Pact of the Titan, Angel's Grace LL - This is definitely a better combo variant.
    7. Tylert: Dryad arbor, Pendelhaven, Pendelhaven elder, Thallid WW
    8. Whoshim: Dryad Arbor, Dryad Arbor, Magus of the Vineyard, Pendelhaven Elder WW

    8w = 24 points

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tylert View Post
    @Goblinsmashmaster: Check my results. We do not agree.
    You're right. If you block with Elder and Dryad instead, you can save Thallid but you don't get the token fast enough.


    Quote Originally Posted by FTW View Post
    Me - Hold mana open and do nothing. Now if you play both Pacts EOT, I discard your Grace and you lose the game, so you can only play one Pact!
    You can't attack or use mana so if I just wait we draw.

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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    Quote Originally Posted by Tylert View Post
    So guys plz confirm that pendlehaven and pendelhaven elder do not stack.

    That's the reward you get when you build with the first cool card (pendelhaven, then search for good 1/1 creatures) you see in the set and forget to check fast mana and combo pieces :(
    They do not stack. Pendelhaven requires a 1/1 target, fizzles if it becomes a 2/3. Pendelhaven Elder doesn't target so it won't fizzle, but it only affects creatures that are 1/1 on resolution.

    I made the same mistake. I started with a CMC search for 0 and 1, as well as 1 mana suspend cards, saw The Rack and never looked at any higher CMCs. Forgot Barren Glory was in this block!
    Last edited by FTW; 09-26-2019 at 11:35 AM.

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    My issue with Augur of Skulls was that the anti-discard tech of Chronosavant was incredibly potent against it, so I ended up with Barren Glory because I thought a turn 5 win was plenty fast enough.

    As it turns out, that was not the case.

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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    Quote Originally Posted by Wrath of Pie View Post
    5. H: Swamp, Molten Slagheap, Avatar of Woe, Augur of Skulls LL - I wanted to play Augur of Skulls but found nothing to go with it that I liked.
    Augur pairs well with The Rack. In retrospect, this seems pretty good:
    Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth, Pendelhaven, Augur of Skulls, The Rack

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    Playing the exact same deck as Asthereal, my total points should amount to 24 as well.

    GG Gobbo for a solution I found quite elegant.

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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    Quote Originally Posted by Asthereal View Post
    Have you considered the fact that I can suspend two Blooms on turn 1 and win on turn 4?
    I don't have to suspend one Bloom at a time.
    ahah. total brainfart :)

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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    Preliminary standings for round 11:
    1. GoblinSmashmaster: 36 - 5,1
    2. Asthereal (TO): 24 - 3,4
    2. Wrath of Pie: 24 - 3,4
    2. Unlif3: 24 - 3,4
    5. FTW: 19 - 2,7
    6. H: 18 - 2,6
    7. Tylert: 13 - 1,9
    8. Whoshim: 7 - 1

    Which leads to the following standings right before the final round:
    1. Asthereal (TO): 41,9
    2. FTW: 36,7
    3. GoblinSmashmaster: 31,3
    4. Wrath of Pie: 31,1
    5. H: 20,2
    6. Unlif3: 19,8
    7. Whoshim: 17,3
    8. Tylert: 15,2
    9. BirdsOfParadise: 6,3
    10. apple713: 2,8

    So as you see, GoblinSmashmaster with his excellent round takes third place, albeit by an inch.
    Also worth mentioning is Unlif3 nudging up to top-5 despite missing the first two rounds. Well done!
    Lastly of course there's the top, which lost some of its tension. I might still get caught, but the 5.2 season point gap is pretty big.
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