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    so tonight i'll have some unknown tasks to do since we have moved to our new house, then i have 3 MKM commands to honor (one with 57 cards) and 4 magic arena games to win and then i'll have time to work on my entry for this round :)

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    Fucking 57 cards from Fwb to Alliances order.
    Had to check the state of all cards before sending them... took me to much time :( no entry for me this round.

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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    DECKS FOR ROUND 3 OF THE BLOCK TOUR (Urza's Saga, Urza's Legacy, Urza's Destiny):

    1. Asthereal (TO): Swamp, Dark Ritual, Priest of Gix, Lurking Evil
    2. GoblinSmashmaster: Faerie Conclave, Island, Energy Field, Island
    3. Whoshim: Plains, Mother of Runes, Mother of Runes, Archery Training
    4. FTW: Swamp, Ostracize, Vebulid, Vebulid
    5. Unlif3: Swamp, Swamp, Encroach, Fog of Gnats
    6. Wrath of Pie: Plains, Island, Imaginary Pet, Mother of Runes
    7. H: Swamp, Dark Ritual, Ostracize, Wheel of Torture

    Please post your scores and cross-check with the opponents.
    I'll update the Google Spreadsheet for the season, so you can enter your scores there as well: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    H: Swamp, Dark Ritual, Ostracize, Wheel of Torture

    1. Asthereal (TO): Swamp, Dark Ritual, Priest of Gix, Lurking Evil
    On the Play, I Ostracize, take Priest. So, your turn 1 will leave you with Lurking Evil in play, no cards in hand. I play Ritual into Wheel. This puts you at 17 in your upkeep, then 9 to activate Lurking Evil, me at 16. Your next turn, You will be at 6 from Wheel and activating Evil, puts you at 3, me at 12. I actually don't think it helps on the draw when you do have Priest. Might be the case that a double draw might be your best play, but simpy never playing any cards? 2-2

    2. GoblinSmashmaster: Faerie Conclave, Island, Energy Field, Island
    Hot damn, can't beat that. Sweet deck. 0-6

    3. Whoshim: Plains, Mother of Runes, Mother of Runes, Archery Training
    Another case where I might be best for my opponent to simply not play out any cards, since they can't win the race in any case. 2-2

    4. FTW: Swamp, Ostracize, Vebulid, Vebulid
    I think Wheel races a single Vebuild, so I think, once again, it's best for my opponent to just not play any cards. 2-2

    5. Unlif3: Swamp, Swamp, Encroach, Fog of Gnats
    I'm seeing a pattern here. There is no way my oppoenent can win, best for them to play nothing and take the draw. 2-2

    6. Wrath of Pie: Plains, Island, Imaginary Pet, Mother of Runes
    Since I can always Ostracize the Pet, there is no reason for them to play anything. 2-2

    7. H: Bye, myself.

    Damn, 10? Almost a full set of draws...
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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    Asthereal results for round 3:

    1. Asthereal (TO): that's me, with a terrible entry, sporting Swamp, Dark Ritual, Priest of Gix, Lurking Evil
    2. GoblinSmashmaster: I have no answer for Energy Field, but you can't attack through my 4/4 flyer. 2-2
    3. Whoshim: This requires a bit of calculation. See below for my analysis. Let me know if I missed anything. 4-1
    4. FTW: Also a bit complicated. See below my Whoshim analysis for my calculations. Looks like I win both. 6-0
    5. Unlif3: Fog of Gnats can block Priest and kill it, and then eternally chump Evil, so I guess we draw both. 2-2
    6. Wrath of Pie: More calculation required. You can find my lines at the bottom of the post. I think I lose both. 0-6
    7. H: You would win the race, so I cast nothing and never go below 3 cards in hand for two draws. 2-2

    Total: 16 points


    Calculations for the games against Whoshim

    Against Whoshim OTP:
    A: Swamp, Rit, Priest, Lurking Evil. Pay 10 life.
    W: Plains, Mother
    A: Attack for 6 (W=14)
    W: Archery Training on Mother
    A: Attack for 4 (W=10)
    W: AT=1, cast Mother
    A: Attack for 4 (W=6)
    W: AT=2
    A: Attack for 4 (W=2)
    W: AT=3
    A: Attack for lethal.

    Against Whoshim OTD:
    W: Plains, Mother
    A: Swamp, Rit, Priest, Lurking Evil. Pay 10 life.
    W: Archery Training on Mother
    A: Attack for 4 (W=16)
    W: AT=1, cast Mother
    A: Attack for 4 (W=12)
    W: AT=2
    A: Attack for 4 (W=8)
    W: AT=3
    A: Attack for 4 (W=4)
    W: AT=4
    A: Can't attack now as Mother+Archery Training will kill my Lurking Evil. So do nothing.
    W: If you attack with the mother without AT, I block with Priest. If you give protection with the AT'ed Mother, I get to attack for lethal.
    So you also don't attack, and it's a stalemate.

    So 4-1 for me, unless I'm missing something.


    Calculations for the games against FTW

    Against FTW OTP:
    A: Swamp, Rit, Priest, Lurking Evil. Pay 10 life.
    F: Swamp, Vebulid
    A: Attack for 6, if you block with a Veb, Lurking Evil races easily, so F=14.
    F: V1=2/2, cast 2nd Vebulid.
    A: Attack for 6, F=8. From here I win the race easily.

    Against FTW OTD if Ostracize:
    F: Swamp, Ostracize away my Priest.
    A: Swamp, Rit, Lukring Evil. Pay 10 life, A=10.
    F: Cast Vebulid.
    A: Attack for 4, F=16
    F: V1=2/2, cast 2nd Vebulid.
    A: Attack for 4, F=12
    F: V1=3/3, V2=2/2
    A: Attack for 4, F=8
    F: V1=4/4, V2=3/3
    A: Attack for 4, F=4
    F: V1=5/5, V2=4/4 Attacking would get me down to 1 life, so you still have to wait.
    A: Attack for lethal. But if you don't cast Ostracize, I will have a Priest to block one of the Vebulids when you attack, and I still win.

    So 6-0 for me, if my analysis is correct.


    Calculations for the game against Wrath

    Against Wrath of Pie OTP:
    A: Swamp, Rit, Priest, Lurking Evil. Pay 10 life, A=10.
    W: Plains, Mother
    A: Attack for 6, W=14
    W: Island, cast Pet
    A: Attack for 4, W=10
    W, 2 options: a) Mother gives Pet protection from black, attack for 4, A=6 // b) No protection, just attack with Pet. Priest blocks A=10 still.
    A: a) Attack for 6, W=4 // b) Attack for 4, W=6
    W: a) Attack with both, A=1 // b) Attack with both, A=5
    A: a) Attack for lethal, so you have to choose option b (no protection) // b) Attacking means you get to attack for lethal, so I wait.
    W: Attack with Pet, if I block you give protection and kill my Lurking Evil.

    I guess I lose these games 0-6.
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    FTW: Swamp, Ostracize, Vebulid, Vebulid

    1. Asthereal (TO): OTP I Ostracize Priest but Lurking Evil deals me 20 faster than 2 Vebulids can deal 10. OTD I trade a Vebulid with Priest and Lurking wins the race easily. LL 0-6
    2. GoblinSmashmaster: I can't beat Energy Field. LL 0-6
    3. Whoshim: OTP and OTD I can Ostracize 1 Mother, so it's always 1 Mother + Archery Training vs 2 Vebulids. You can't attack me or you trade with a Vebulid and I win, so you're on defense. OTP I'm fast enough to beat Archery Training. OTD you have enough counters to block one and ping the other, so we draw. See below. WD 4-1
    5. Unlif3: OTP and OTD I Ostracize Fog of Gnats. Encroach hits nothing. WW 6-0
    6. Wrath of Pie: OTP and OTD I Ostracize Imaginary Pet. Mother can handle 1 Vebulid but the other gets through. WW 6-0.
    7. H: 2 damage per turn races 1 Vebulid, so I have to do nothing to draw. DD 2-2.

    18 points (5 wins, 3 draws)


    FTW vs Whoshim, OTP
    Me - Vebulid 1/1
    You - Mother

    Me - Ostracize other Mother. 2/2
    You - Archery Training

    Me - 1/1 and 3/3.
    You - 1 archery counter.

    Me - 2/2 and 4/4.
    You - 2 counters

    ...

    Me - 20/20 and 22/22. You have 19 counters still. I attack with both. You can block one but you can't kill the other with Archery Training so it gets through for lethal.


    OTD
    You - Mother
    Me - Ostracize other Mother

    You - Archery Training
    Me - 1/1 Vebulid

    You - 1 counter
    Me - 1/1 and 2/2

    ...

    You - 20 counters
    Me - 20/20 and 21/21. I can attack with both, but you can block one and ping the other to draw.
    Last edited by FTW; 07-31-2019 at 10:38 AM.

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    GoblinSmashmaster results for Round "Draws Galore"

    1. Asthereal (TO): Swamp, Dark Ritual, Priest of Gix, Lurking Evil
    You have a flyer. 2-2

    2. GoblinSmashmaster: Faerie Conclave, Island, Energy Field, Island
    That's me!

    3. Whoshim: Plains, Mother of Runes, Mother of Runes, Archery Training
    You can ping my flyer. 2-2

    4. FTW: Swamp, Ostracize, Vebulid, Vebulid
    You don't have a flyer. 6-0

    5. Unlif3: Swamp, Swamp, Encroach, Fog of Gnats
    You have a flyer. 2-2

    6. Wrath of Pie: Plains, Island, Imaginary Pet, Mother of Runes
    You don't have a flyer. 6-0

    7. H: Swamp, Dark Ritual, Ostracize, Wheel of Torture
    You don't have a flyer. 6-0

    24 points

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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    Quote Originally Posted by H View Post
    H: Swamp, Dark Ritual, Ostracize, Wheel of Torture

    1. Asthereal (TO): Swamp, Dark Ritual, Priest of Gix, Lurking Evil
    On the Play, I Ostracize, take Priest. So, your turn 1 will leave you with Lurking Evil in play, no cards in hand. I play Ritual into Wheel. This puts you at 17 in your upkeep, then 9 to activate Lurking Evil, me at 16. Your next turn, You will be at 6 from Wheel and activating Evil, puts you at 3, me at 12. I actually don't think it helps on the draw when you do have Priest. Might be the case that a double draw might be your best play, but simpy never playing any cards? 2-2
    Just for your information, lurking evil doesn't mention that it's a 4/4 flying creature until end of turn .
    So he only needs to activate it once.

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    6. Wrath of Pie: Plains, Island, Imaginary Pet, Mother of Runes

    1. Asthereal (TO): Swamp, Dark Ritual, Priest of Gix, Lurking Evil WW
    2. GoblinSmashmaster: Faerie Conclave, Island, Energy Field, Island LL
    3. Whoshim: Plains, Mother of Runes, Mother of Runes, Archery Training WW - Hilariously enough, Archery Training is bad in the Mother mirror.
    4. FTW: Swamp, Ostracize, Vebulid, Vebulid LL
    5. Unlif3: Swamp, Swamp, Encroach, Fog of Gnats WW
    7. H: Swamp, Dark Ritual, Ostracize, Wheel of Torture DD

    6w2d = 20

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tylert View Post
    Just for your information, lurking evil doesn't mention that it's a 4/4 flying creature until end of turn .
    So he only needs to activate it once.
    Well, so much for my so-called reading comprehension,
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    Hello everyone ! That's my first time but it didn't pan out too well. Heh, I'll do better next time I guess.

    1. Asthereal (TO): Swamp, Dark Ritual, Priest of Gix, Lurking Evil
    Block Priest, chump Evil, that should be a draw. 2-2.

    2. GoblinSmashmaster: Faerie Conclave, Island, Energy Field, Island
    I can't beat Field, but you can't kill me either. 2-2.

    3. Whoshim: Plains, Mother of Runes, Mother of Runes, Archery Training
    I have a hard time figuring this one out but I think this should draw ?

    4. FTW: Swamp, Ostracize, Vebulid, Vebulid
    Ostracize hits Fog of Gnats, ggwp 0-6.

    5. Unlif3: Swamp, Swamp, Encroach, Fog of Gnats
    It's me :)

    6. Wrath of Pie: Plains, Island, Imaginary Pet, Mother of Runes
    This one is sweet and I will most definitely lose to that OTD and OTP 0-6.

    7. H: Swamp, Dark Ritual, Ostracize, Wheel of Torture
    I should be good if I don't play anything, I'll lose otherwise, so 2-2.

    Assuming Whoshim can confirm the draw that should be 8 points for this round.

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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    Quote Originally Posted by Unlif3 View Post
    Hello everyone ! That's my first time but it didn't pan out too well. Heh, I'll do better next time I guess.
    Don't worry, none of my decks ever turn out well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unlif3 View Post
    Hello everyone ! That's my first time but it didn't pan out too well. Heh, I'll do better next time I guess.

    3. Whoshim: Plains, Mother of Runes, Mother of Runes, Archery Training
    I have a hard time figuring this one out but I think this should draw ?
    Great to have you join! That was a tough block, lots of draws. Each block will change the format a lot! Hope you keep playing.

    Edit: See Whoshim below. You lose the race.
    Last edited by FTW; 08-01-2019 at 04:08 AM.

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    @Tylert Too bad that you missed the round. Hopefully things will be settled for you for next round.

    I think that almost everyone got the scores for the games correct, but I think that I can win against Unlif3.

    On the play:

    Me: Mother
    Un: -
    Me: Swing with Mother, play second Mother (19 to 20)
    Un: Play Gnats
    Me: Tap one Mother to give pro-black, swing with pro-Mother (18 to 20).

    From there, I can just race.

    On the draw:

    Un: -
    Me: Mother
    Un: Play Gnats. (tapped out)
    Me: Play second Mother. Swing with first mother. He has no lands to regenerate. (19 to 20)

    I can race from there.

    So I think my scores are:

    1. Asthereal (TO): Swamp, Dark Ritual, Priest of Gix, Lurking Evil LD
    2. GoblinSmashmaster: Faerie Conclave, Island, Energy Field, Island DD I almost ran Erasure due to Energy Field. Glad to see only one.
    3. Whoshim: Plains, Mother of Runes, Mother of Runes, Archery Training LL (I was worried about another Mother player)
    4. FTW: Swamp, Ostracize, Vebulid, Vebulid LD
    5. Unlif3: Swamp, Swamp, Encroach, Fog of Gnats WW
    6. Wrath of Pie: Plains, Island, Imaginary Pet, Mother of Runes LL
    7. H: Swamp, Dark Ritual, Ostracize, Wheel of Torture DD

    12 points, if Unlif3's match goes as I outlined above. I think I copied the other results correctly (but I have to run to work now ).

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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    Next block is masques of mercadia right?
    I have a deck ready :)

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    Whoshim's calculation is correct, that's a mere 6 points for me this round then. Sad panda face. :(

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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    Standings for round 3, Urza's block:

    1. GoblinSmashmaster: 24 - 4
    2. Wrath of Pie: 20 - 3,3
    3. FTW: 18 - 3
    4. Asthereal (TO): 16 - 2,7
    5. Whoshim: 12 - 2
    6. H: 10 - 1,7
    7. Unlif3: 6 - 1

    This means GoblinSmashmaster advances to third place in the season ranking.
    I have updated the rankings, so you can check out where you stand. Spoiler alert: FTW still leads.

    Unlif3, this whole thing takes some practice. I'm sure you'll get the hang of it.
    If you need tips, let us know. We might be able to give some pointers to help your deck design.
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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    Round 4 of 4CB Season 3, The Block Tour, has started. This round: Mercadian Masques block (Mercadian Masques, Nemesis, Prophecy)!

    I have PM'ed myself my deck for round 4, so you can start sending me your decks.

    DEADLINE: Wednesday the 7th of August, at 8:00AM Central European Time.
    (That's my time. Pacific Time it'll probably be something like Tuesday night 10:00PM-ish, so keep that in mind.)

    PLEASE NOTE:
    - The way you send your deck to me matters. Please send it in the way described below, so it doesn't cost me an hour of editing before I can post all the decks.
    Please send your deck as follows: Swamp, Rampart Crawler, Dark Ritual, Parallax Nexus (so with card tags around each card, and not above eachother), with your Username and 4CB S03R04 in the topic. Many of you already did this for previous rounds. Thanks a lot, this really saves me the time and hassle of copying and pasting text and tags!

    After the deadline has passed, I will post all decks on the forum here, and you can start puzzling out your scores.
    If you have any questions, please read the first two posts of this thread first. If you can't find the answer there, drop a message here. We'll answer a.s.a.p.

    Happy deck designing everybody!
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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    We're picking up steam again. About a day until the deadline, and we're at 8 entries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Asthereal View Post
    We're picking up steam again. About a day until the deadline, and we're at 8 entries.
    I think I managed to simultaneously both over and under-think my list. I eagerly away getting blown out.
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